What year did the Max change from premium to regular fuel, and why?
Originally posted by dwapenyi
The Nissan manual for my 98 says that premium is the best for maximum performance, BUT, if you're in the desert and the only gas station that you desperately need is a gizzilion miles from anything else, then you can use regular. Since the 95-99 Maxima have the same motor, it wouldn't be wrong to assume that the 95-99 carries those same recommendations. Even the 2K-2K3 is probably the same. If you do run regular, you'll increase the chance of pinging, which will reduce the life of your motor significantly.
DW
The Nissan manual for my 98 says that premium is the best for maximum performance, BUT, if you're in the desert and the only gas station that you desperately need is a gizzilion miles from anything else, then you can use regular. Since the 95-99 Maxima have the same motor, it wouldn't be wrong to assume that the 95-99 carries those same recommendations. Even the 2K-2K3 is probably the same. If you do run regular, you'll increase the chance of pinging, which will reduce the life of your motor significantly.
DW
The rule of thumb is, if you want maximum performance, use super. If you don't mind giving up a few horsepower (its not like a huge hp loss) then you can use regular.
Well, like I said before "you'll increase the chance of pinging, which will reduce the life of your motor significantly." So, pinging does not reduce the life of your motor?
Anyways, I have experienced this myself. My car was accidentally filled with 87 once. I noticed the power loss, and ALOT of pinging. All over the rev band. Maybe my lead foot has something to do wtih it as well.
DW
Anyways, I have experienced this myself. My car was accidentally filled with 87 once. I noticed the power loss, and ALOT of pinging. All over the rev band. Maybe my lead foot has something to do wtih it as well.
DW
Originally posted by Eric L.
There is zero proof that using regular will reduce the life of a Maxima's motor significantly. While you won't get maximum power using regular, the motor won't mind using it, and for the 90% of Maxima drivers who never redline their cars, they will probably not notice any difference.
The rule of thumb is, if you want maximum performance, use super. If you don't mind giving up a few horsepower (its not like a huge hp loss) then you can use regular.
There is zero proof that using regular will reduce the life of a Maxima's motor significantly. While you won't get maximum power using regular, the motor won't mind using it, and for the 90% of Maxima drivers who never redline their cars, they will probably not notice any difference.
The rule of thumb is, if you want maximum performance, use super. If you don't mind giving up a few horsepower (its not like a huge hp loss) then you can use regular.
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Originally posted by Aphrodisiac
its a 4 door too.. I always ask him why he didnt get the V6, he keeps saying VTEC VTEC in his head and doesnt listen to me
its a 4 door too.. I always ask him why he didnt get the V6, he keeps saying VTEC VTEC in his head and doesnt listen to me
Here's DYNO PROOF of a 98-02 Accord V6 losing power on premium fuel. Since the ignition timing is set specifically for 87, and won't advance if you put higher octane fuel in, you'll end up losing power.
Same thing with the 4-cyl's probably.
See the pic in my sig to see the economy-VTEC in the Accord V6 hard at work

And if your buddy is putting high octane fuel in his 4-banger economy Accord, then he needs to get his head checked
Originally posted by Eric L.
There is zero proof that using regular will reduce the life of a Maxima's motor significantly. While you won't get maximum power using regular, the motor won't mind using it, and for the 90% of Maxima drivers who never redline their cars, they will probably not notice any difference.
The rule of thumb is, if you want maximum performance, use super. If you don't mind giving up a few horsepower (its not like a huge hp loss) then you can use regular.
There is zero proof that using regular will reduce the life of a Maxima's motor significantly. While you won't get maximum power using regular, the motor won't mind using it, and for the 90% of Maxima drivers who never redline their cars, they will probably not notice any difference.
The rule of thumb is, if you want maximum performance, use super. If you don't mind giving up a few horsepower (its not like a huge hp loss) then you can use regular.
-I'm at about 2500', nothing compared to Colorado, but a lot less thinner air than sea level
-Temps are below freezing - any of the times I've noticed pinging in previous cars the temps have been higher (70+ F)
-I'm running snow tires and can't get anywhere near WOT without spinning.
I do run premium in the summer when the power can be enjoyed, but the $$ is wasted in the winter.
The difference inbetween premium and regular gas is only like 5 cents. So at every fillup, the difference in cost is about what, 75 cents? 15 gallons x 0.05 cents. Why even worry about it? How much do you pay for your latte every morning? $2.25?
Originally posted by bk2kmax
One day I let my wife use the car and she tried to put in some 87 and when I drove my car it ran like $hit, my car was hicupping and it wouldn't accelerate fast enough to run against anything.
I asked her what type of gas did she put in it, she said I put 87, I went biserk, I must have been ranting and raving for an half an hour or so on why you don't put anything except 91 or above in the Maxima.
I really gave her a lesson that day. I don't care what people say about it's ok to use lesser than 91, I don't recommend it and if you're just being too cheap to buy super, then maybe you should've bought a Pinto or Yugo.
One day I let my wife use the car and she tried to put in some 87 and when I drove my car it ran like $hit, my car was hicupping and it wouldn't accelerate fast enough to run against anything.
I asked her what type of gas did she put in it, she said I put 87, I went biserk, I must have been ranting and raving for an half an hour or so on why you don't put anything except 91 or above in the Maxima.
I really gave her a lesson that day. I don't care what people say about it's ok to use lesser than 91, I don't recommend it and if you're just being too cheap to buy super, then maybe you should've bought a Pinto or Yugo.
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Originally posted by kramerica72
Where in my post do I mention US? Lancia is obviously not USDM either, and most of the Saab v4s were based on the european Ford Taurus.
Where in my post do I mention US? Lancia is obviously not USDM either, and most of the Saab v4s were based on the european Ford Taurus.
Find me a picture of any car in the world in the last 15 years that has a V4.
Premium vs Regular fuel
I have to agree with SprintMax. I picked up my 2000 GXE today and page 10-3 of the owners manual says "Fuel Recommendation - Unleaded premium gasoline with an octane rating of at least 91 AKI". It says you CAN use 87 AKI if higher is not available, but that has almost always been true. I ran my 91 SE on 89 octane for a long time without any real trouble. Not sure I would suggest using 87 octane, but you should be able to run 89, with a tank of 91 every month or so, and not really see too much of a performance hit.
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my 94 (VE30DE) says premium.
on the V4: last 15 years? my mom had a 93 Mercury Tracer station wagon, it had a V4. Honda still makes V4 cars. My Proof: 2003 Accord Sedan http://www.hondacars.com/models/spec...e=Accord+Sedan You can still get a Ford Focus with a V4. Lots of cars from the last 15 years have 4 bangers.
on the V4: last 15 years? my mom had a 93 Mercury Tracer station wagon, it had a V4. Honda still makes V4 cars. My Proof: 2003 Accord Sedan http://www.hondacars.com/models/spec...e=Accord+Sedan You can still get a Ford Focus with a V4. Lots of cars from the last 15 years have 4 bangers.
Originally posted by Derek94SE
my 94 (VE30DE) says premium.
on the V4: last 15 years? my mom had a 93 Mercury Tracer station wagon, it had a V4. Honda still makes V4 cars. My Proof: 2003 Accord Sedan http://www.hondacars.com/models/spec...e=Accord+Sedan You can still get a Ford Focus with a V4. Lots of cars from the last 15 years have 4 bangers.
my 94 (VE30DE) says premium.
on the V4: last 15 years? my mom had a 93 Mercury Tracer station wagon, it had a V4. Honda still makes V4 cars. My Proof: 2003 Accord Sedan http://www.hondacars.com/models/spec...e=Accord+Sedan You can still get a Ford Focus with a V4. Lots of cars from the last 15 years have 4 bangers.
its not a "V4" its an inline 4. I really dont know the difference but apparently there is one.
I4, I4, I4. All those example you gave are I4s. A V4 is an engine with 2 cylinders facing one way and 2 cylinders facing the other way. All modern 4 cylinder cars are mostly I4s, with some H4s. No V4s at all. Net even in the past 15 years. Read that web page you posted from Honda again. InLine 4 = I4 = Straight 4 = NOT(!) V4
DW
DW
Originally posted by Derek94SE
my 94 (VE30DE) says premium.
on the V4: last 15 years? my mom had a 93 Mercury Tracer station wagon, it had a V4. Honda still makes V4 cars. My Proof: 2003 Accord Sedan http://www.hondacars.com/models/spec...e=Accord+Sedan You can still get a Ford Focus with a V4. Lots of cars from the last 15 years have 4 bangers.
my 94 (VE30DE) says premium.
on the V4: last 15 years? my mom had a 93 Mercury Tracer station wagon, it had a V4. Honda still makes V4 cars. My Proof: 2003 Accord Sedan http://www.hondacars.com/models/spec...e=Accord+Sedan You can still get a Ford Focus with a V4. Lots of cars from the last 15 years have 4 bangers.
OMG...some of you guys need "Engine Configurations 101" 
http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_s...ne/smooth1.htm
You don't need to read anything in the article, but just look at the figures for what the different engine configurations look like

http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_s...ne/smooth1.htm
You don't need to read anything in the article, but just look at the figures for what the different engine configurations look like
Originally posted by SteVTEC
OMG...some of you guys need "Engine Configurations 101"
http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_s...ne/smooth1.htm
You don't need to read anything in the article, but just look at the figures for what the different engine configurations look like
OMG...some of you guys need "Engine Configurations 101"

http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_s...ne/smooth1.htm
You don't need to read anything in the article, but just look at the figures for what the different engine configurations look like
so whats the difference between big block, short block, longitude/latitude?
I think I "get" long/lat but dont really know yet\
oh btw I like this example better
<aint I such a snob?>http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine-inline.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine-v.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine-flat.htm
Originally posted by Aphrodisiac
hrmm intresting read
so whats the difference between big block, short block, longitude/latitude?
I think I "get" long/lat but dont really know yet\
oh btw I like this example better
<aint I such a snob?>
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine-inline.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine-v.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine-flat.htm
hrmm intresting read
so whats the difference between big block, short block, longitude/latitude?
I think I "get" long/lat but dont really know yet\
oh btw I like this example better
<aint I such a snob?>http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine-inline.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine-v.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine-flat.htm
Back to the main topic, the gasoline retailers have gone into frenzy mode. That means they're not sure right now how much they can rob people, so the prices are all over the place. Today I could choose from 1.67 to 1.90 for premium, when normally every single station is the same, like collusion. Those greedy gasoline retailers are planning new homes, additions, summer vacations, college educations, etc. But when you see them on the news they scream poverty even though they've jacked the price by 15 cents in the last 1 1/2 weeks. Pretty soon we'll get that useless chain letter email telling us to avoid buying gas for a day--yeah like we've got solidarity in the US or something. Better to just invest in oil and drilling cos
Originally posted by dwapenyi
I4, I4, I4. All those example you gave are I4s. A V4 is an engine with 2 cylinders facing one way and 2 cylinders facing the other way. All modern 4 cylinder cars are mostly I4s, with some H4s. No V4s at all. Net even in the past 15 years. Read that web page you posted from Honda again. InLine 4 = I4 = Straight 4 = NOT(!) V4
DW
I4, I4, I4. All those example you gave are I4s. A V4 is an engine with 2 cylinders facing one way and 2 cylinders facing the other way. All modern 4 cylinder cars are mostly I4s, with some H4s. No V4s at all. Net even in the past 15 years. Read that web page you posted from Honda again. InLine 4 = I4 = Straight 4 = NOT(!) V4
DW
V4
OK. You got me there.
I'm so caught up in the US domestic market that I didn't think to include the former eastern block nations usings those engines on those inexpensive taxicabs
DW
I'm so caught up in the US domestic market that I didn't think to include the former eastern block nations usings those engines on those inexpensive taxicabs
DW
Originally posted by kramerica72
Here's your V4--they made a ton of them for Eastern Europe until 1994.
V4
Here's your V4--they made a ton of them for Eastern Europe until 1994.
V4
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