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Old Apr 12, 2003 | 09:41 PM
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Kill a car low end, Lose top end???

Tonight I raced a car for money, I thought it was going to be an easy win....this kid clams to be Honda S2000's in a Lincoln Mark VIII LSC!!!

Well i raced him and i killed him off the line, to 80 i had 3-4 cars on him, then i lost all momentum and the 4 car lead just held....till about 120...he started to come back and then passed me at 130

Is that posable? I asked him if he was spraying and he said no. He clamed to only have a shift kit and tampered gear ratio.

Now yes I know I killed him in the 1/4 well passed high way speeds too, but where did all the power go? Is the maxima really that week top end?

Oh yeah, by the way im a 96' Nissan Maxima, with 5 speed, full intake, Ypipe, and cat back.
Old Apr 12, 2003 | 09:53 PM
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Wait, did you just say he said he had an S2000 engine in his Lincoln.. if that was true, then a golf cart could take him off the line.
Old Apr 12, 2003 | 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by pezking4
Wait, did you just say he said he had an S2000 engine in his Lincoln.. if that was true, then a golf cart could take him off the line.
Im sorry, i meant to say ....he clams he can beat Honda S2000's
Old Apr 12, 2003 | 10:00 PM
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Ok, gotcha now. Those cars can haul a$$ on the highways, but still I don't see why you would feel like you're hitting a wall around 120-130 mph.
Old Apr 12, 2003 | 10:03 PM
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The Lincon Mark VIII had a 300 hp 32-valve V8. So yeah, that's pretty much expected. You expereinced the typical loss in power up top of a 4th gen without a variable intake. If 0-130 mph is the kind of "enthusiastic" driving you're used to, then the MEVI is absolutely the mod for you

I raced a friend in an Aurora once. The Oldsmobile has a 250 hp V8. I left him easily all the way to 110 mph, and then he slowly but surely started reeling me in. We had to shut it down at about 120 when he had almost caught up, but I really got to feel the limitation of the VQs fixed intake manifold then.

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Old Apr 12, 2003 | 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by dwapenyi
The Lincon Mark VIII had a 300 hp 32-valve V8. So yeah, that's pretty much expected. You expereinced the typical loss in power up top of a 4th gen without a variable intake. If 0-130 mph is the kind of "enthusiastic" driving you're used to, then the MEVI is absolutely the mod for you

I raced a friend in an Aurora once. The Oldsmobile has a 250 hp V8. I left him easily all the way to 110 mph, and then he slowly but surely started reeling me in. We had to shut it down at about 120 when he had almost caught up, but I really got to feel the limitation of the VQs fixed intake manifold then.

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Thanks man, I did not know they were high way monsters...i dont feel so bad anymore. Yeah i want to MEVI but since i do plan on going turbo im scared to even bothere becuase i wont get full use out of that with out having the ECU with higher rev limiter... so i donno
Old Apr 12, 2003 | 11:29 PM
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Dont 4th gens have fuel cut-off at 130mph?

Or is that just some of em?

And where in the heck did you have space to get a 0-130 mph race in?
Old Apr 12, 2003 | 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by James92SE
Dont 4th gens have fuel cut-off at 130mph?

Or is that just some of em?

And where in the heck did you have space to get a 0-130 mph race in?
Some cut off at 115...othere cut off at 140...mind cuts off at 140.

And I live in FL, here we have looooong flat stright roads every where
Old Apr 13, 2003 | 12:14 AM
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if you street race you are going to encounter this often. a lot of big v8 sedans and such will get walked by you upto near 100 or so, and then all that hp starts to really do what it should have at 30. without a mevi our 4th gens run out of power up top, still good pull, but all that extra 110 hp he has over you wont go into effect until about 80mph
Old Apr 13, 2003 | 03:18 AM
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Yup. I think it is by design, too. Compromise and sacrifice ultimate 1/4 mile performance to make it the ultimate freeway flyer. The Q45, LS430, STS etc have lots of hp, but tend to really shine in autobahn mode.

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if you street race you are going to encounter this often. a lot of big v8 sedans and such will get walked by you upto near 100 or so, and then all that hp starts to really do what it should have at 30. without a mevi our 4th gens run out of power up top, still good pull, but all that extra 110 hp he has over you wont go into effect until about 80mph
Old Apr 13, 2003 | 06:02 AM
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Change your fuel filter.
Old Apr 13, 2003 | 07:39 AM
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Got MEVI?


Old Apr 13, 2003 | 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by MaxSpeedSE
And I live in FL, here we have looooong flat stright roads every where
Old Apr 13, 2003 | 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by njmaxseltd
Change your fuel filter.
I just changed it , a couple weeks ago. I dont think its the problem, i keep my car well maintained.

I think everyone is wright with the MEVI.

Do you guys know if the MEVI alone would help the 4th gen maxima on the high way agents cars like that even without the ECU and higher rev limiter?
Old Apr 13, 2003 | 08:50 AM
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The 4th gens I know around here can hit ~150mph.. (those are 97 SE 5 speeds)
I've only hit 141mph in mine, and between 130mph and 140mph it really started to creep along.
You just need more horsepower to overcome the drag.
Old Apr 13, 2003 | 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by njmaxseltd
Change your fuel filter.
how often? I'm at 45k miles
Old Apr 13, 2003 | 09:35 AM
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Only certain ones have a cutoff at 116mph, the rest have no cut off, they just top out about 140.
Old Apr 13, 2003 | 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by MaxSpeedSE


I just changed it , a couple weeks ago. I dont think its the problem, i keep my car well maintained.

I think everyone is wright with the MEVI.

Do you guys know if the MEVI alone would help the 4th gen maxima on the high way agents cars like that even without the ECU and higher rev limiter?

Yes, because at high gears, you spend more time up in the top of the RPM range....from 100 up is where the MEVI kicks the most azz.
Old Apr 13, 2003 | 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by MaxSpeedSE


Some cut off at 115...othere cut off at 140...mind cuts off at 140.

And I live in FL, here we have looooong flat stright roads every where
hell yeah we do.
Old Apr 13, 2003 | 04:29 PM
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Yes, because at high gears, you spend more time up in the top of the RPM range....from 100 up is where the MEVI kicks the most azz.
All right sounds good, I'll Most likely invest into one. That is when I finish my custom turbo project.
Old Apr 13, 2003 | 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by pezking4
The 4th gens I know around here can hit ~150mph.. (those are 97 SE 5 speeds)
I've only hit 141mph in mine, and between 130mph and 140mph it really started to creep along.
You just need more horsepower to overcome the drag.
It will pretty much take the MEVI/JWT ECU to come close to the 150mph barrier. I don't even know if the VQ is strong enough to pull that kind of MPH even with MEVI/JWT because it takes a signicant increase in power to gain 7-8mph in topspeed (4th gens get 142-143mph stock).


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