Engine blown within warranty...not covered
05-27-2003, 02:15 PM
#41
Old Fuddy Duddy
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These are my two cents
So take them as such.
#1 first and foremost...DONT try to fiddle around by takin it to another dealer with OEM stuff on. Leave it as is. You will weaken your case if you start fiddling around with that stuff. If you did not mis-drive or mis-shift, you dont have a thing to worry about. At least in the real non-Nissan related world.
#2 If they cant tell you what is wrong, they probably DONT know what is wrong. Yeah, you might be flagged blah blah blah...but try and get a second opinion. Most it will cost you is a tow job. Maybe some diag money from an outside source.
BUT before you leave the dealership make sure they write on the release slip WHY it needs a new motor. Make sure you agree with it. Do NOT leave w/o some kind of paper showing the transactions you are proceeding with. Make sure it has who worked on it and time spent if you can.
This is a start of a paper work trail. Trust me its important. Make sure when you call you get dates/times/ first and LAST names of people you talk to. Information exchanged. It will ALL help later. It will be amazing to find out that its something simple and take 500$ to fix rather than a 5K$ engine replacement because someone was WAY to lazy to diag correctly and made HUGE assumptions.
Be patient now. If you are going to claims...its gonna take a while.
Best of luck to ya!
#1 first and foremost...DONT try to fiddle around by takin it to another dealer with OEM stuff on. Leave it as is. You will weaken your case if you start fiddling around with that stuff. If you did not mis-drive or mis-shift, you dont have a thing to worry about. At least in the real non-Nissan related world.
#2 If they cant tell you what is wrong, they probably DONT know what is wrong. Yeah, you might be flagged blah blah blah...but try and get a second opinion. Most it will cost you is a tow job. Maybe some diag money from an outside source.
BUT before you leave the dealership make sure they write on the release slip WHY it needs a new motor. Make sure you agree with it. Do NOT leave w/o some kind of paper showing the transactions you are proceeding with. Make sure it has who worked on it and time spent if you can.
This is a start of a paper work trail. Trust me its important. Make sure when you call you get dates/times/ first and LAST names of people you talk to. Information exchanged. It will ALL help later. It will be amazing to find out that its something simple and take 500$ to fix rather than a 5K$ engine replacement because someone was WAY to lazy to diag correctly and made HUGE assumptions.
Be patient now. If you are going to claims...its gonna take a while.
Best of luck to ya!
05-27-2003, 02:19 PM
#42
Did you actually get something from "head" of Nissan...I doubt it. I have been/worked around too many dealerships to know that they love to screw people out of Warranty stuff.
I would call a distant nissan dealership, ask them if there is such a database where if a dealer called it in would be logged.
I have a feeling that they did not call the "head office"...instead merely went and had a cup of coffee with the janitor in the back room.
I would call a distant nissan dealership, ask them if there is such a database where if a dealer called it in would be logged.
I have a feeling that they did not call the "head office"...instead merely went and had a cup of coffee with the janitor in the back room.
05-27-2003, 02:22 PM
#43
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Re: These are my two cents
Originally posted by Colonel
So take them as such.
#1 first and foremost...DONT try to fiddle around by takin it to another dealer with OEM stuff on. Leave it as is. You will weaken your case if you start fiddling around with that stuff. If you did not mis-drive or mis-shift, you dont have a thing to worry about. At least in the real non-Nissan related world.
#2 If they cant tell you what is wrong, they probably DONT know what is wrong. Yeah, you might be flagged blah blah blah...but try and get a second opinion. Most it will cost you is a tow job. Maybe some diag money from an outside source.
BUT before you leave the dealership make sure they write on the release slip WHY it needs a new motor. Make sure you agree with it. Do NOT leave w/o some kind of paper showing the transactions you are proceeding with. Make sure it has who worked on it and time spent if you can.
This is a start of a paper work trail. Trust me its important. Make sure when you call you get dates/times/ first and LAST names of people you talk to. Information exchanged. It will ALL help later. It will be amazing to find out that its something simple and take 500$ to fix rather than a 5K$ engine replacement because someone was WAY to lazy to diag correctly and made HUGE assumptions.
Be patient now. If you are going to claims...its gonna take a while.
Best of luck to ya!
So take them as such.
#1 first and foremost...DONT try to fiddle around by takin it to another dealer with OEM stuff on. Leave it as is. You will weaken your case if you start fiddling around with that stuff. If you did not mis-drive or mis-shift, you dont have a thing to worry about. At least in the real non-Nissan related world.
#2 If they cant tell you what is wrong, they probably DONT know what is wrong. Yeah, you might be flagged blah blah blah...but try and get a second opinion. Most it will cost you is a tow job. Maybe some diag money from an outside source.
BUT before you leave the dealership make sure they write on the release slip WHY it needs a new motor. Make sure you agree with it. Do NOT leave w/o some kind of paper showing the transactions you are proceeding with. Make sure it has who worked on it and time spent if you can.
This is a start of a paper work trail. Trust me its important. Make sure when you call you get dates/times/ first and LAST names of people you talk to. Information exchanged. It will ALL help later. It will be amazing to find out that its something simple and take 500$ to fix rather than a 5K$ engine replacement because someone was WAY to lazy to diag correctly and made HUGE assumptions.
Be patient now. If you are going to claims...its gonna take a while.
Best of luck to ya!
"I am requesting a formal written and signed letter from Nissan outlining the denial of warranty work on my 2001 5spd Maxima. I purchased the Nissan ASP warranty and have been denied warranty replacement/repair of my engine within the time/mileage parameters. I have not received a formal quote or analysis as to what the problem is but being told it is denied because of an aftermarket intake and exhaust. I will require Nissan to outline that the engine problem has been caused “specifically” because of these particular modifications and “exactly” what the problem is at hand. I am still formally requesting warranty coverage on this issue and any other warranty issues since I feel these modifications have nothing to do with the engine problem at hand. Your immediate response is required because my Nissan Vehicle is at a local dealership and is current immobilized and I am without my Nissan or a suitable rental vehicle."
05-27-2003, 02:24 PM
#44
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Originally posted by MaxWolf
Did you actually get something from "head" of Nissan...I doubt it. I have been/worked around too many dealerships to know that they love to screw people out of Warranty stuff.
I would call a distant nissan dealership, ask them if there is such a database where if a dealer called it in would be logged.
I have a feeling that they did not call the "head office"...instead merely went and had a cup of coffee with the janitor in the back room.
Did you actually get something from "head" of Nissan...I doubt it. I have been/worked around too many dealerships to know that they love to screw people out of Warranty stuff.
I would call a distant nissan dealership, ask them if there is such a database where if a dealer called it in would be logged.
I have a feeling that they did not call the "head office"...instead merely went and had a cup of coffee with the janitor in the back room.
05-27-2003, 02:33 PM
#45
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Re: Re: These are my two cents
Originally posted by 3.0HO
Very well said. I have requested from the dealer and Nissan head office as follows (this is the first letter I have formally sent as of today):
"I am requesting a formal written and signed letter from Nissan outlining the denial of warranty work on my 2001 5spd Maxima. I purchased the Nissan ASP warranty and have been denied warranty replacement/repair of my engine within the time/mileage parameters. I have not received a formal quote or analysis as to what the problem is but being told it is denied because of an aftermarket intake and exhaust. I will require Nissan to outline that the engine problem has been caused “specifically” because of these particular modifications and “exactly” what the problem is at hand. I am still formally requesting warranty coverage on this issue and any other warranty issues since I feel these modifications have nothing to do with the engine problem at hand. Your immediate response is required because my Nissan Vehicle is at a local dealership and is current immobilized and I am without my Nissan or a suitable rental vehicle."
Very well said. I have requested from the dealer and Nissan head office as follows (this is the first letter I have formally sent as of today):
"I am requesting a formal written and signed letter from Nissan outlining the denial of warranty work on my 2001 5spd Maxima. I purchased the Nissan ASP warranty and have been denied warranty replacement/repair of my engine within the time/mileage parameters. I have not received a formal quote or analysis as to what the problem is but being told it is denied because of an aftermarket intake and exhaust. I will require Nissan to outline that the engine problem has been caused “specifically” because of these particular modifications and “exactly” what the problem is at hand. I am still formally requesting warranty coverage on this issue and any other warranty issues since I feel these modifications have nothing to do with the engine problem at hand. Your immediate response is required because my Nissan Vehicle is at a local dealership and is current immobilized and I am without my Nissan or a suitable rental vehicle."
When we litigated against Chrysler, we did all these things. It made for a very "easy to read" case. Do anything and everything to document. But seems like you are already doing that.
05-27-2003, 02:46 PM
#46
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You may be already past the point of taking them to court if you now replace the aftermarket parts with stock and go to another dealer. I can hear the judge now:
“You say the intake and Y-pipe had nothing to do with the engine failure?”
“Yes, your honor.”
“Then why did remove them with stock parts and go to another dealer after the first dealer said
these mods were the problem? By doing this, aren’t you agreeing with them?”
“No sir.”
“Then why did you do it, other than trying to fool Nissan and this court?”
“Uh, ummm”
“OK, I not only rule in Nissan’s favor, but now hold you in contempt for submitting an exhibit
designed to mislead this court.”
“You say the intake and Y-pipe had nothing to do with the engine failure?”
“Yes, your honor.”
“Then why did remove them with stock parts and go to another dealer after the first dealer said
these mods were the problem? By doing this, aren’t you agreeing with them?”
“No sir.”
“Then why did you do it, other than trying to fool Nissan and this court?”
“Uh, ummm”
“OK, I not only rule in Nissan’s favor, but now hold you in contempt for submitting an exhibit
designed to mislead this court.”
05-27-2003, 03:38 PM
#47
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Re: Re: Re: These are my two cents
Originally posted by Colonel
Make sure if you send them "snail" mail that its sent certified/signature required for deliver. Last I checked it was like 3 bucks to do this on a "standard" sized envelope. Then you have a receipt from the postal office of delivery. This again, helps you in your transactions. Proves attempt at getting resolution prior to court action.
When we litigated against Chrysler, we did all these things. It made for a very "easy to read" case. Do anything and everything to document. But seems like you are already doing that.
Make sure if you send them "snail" mail that its sent certified/signature required for deliver. Last I checked it was like 3 bucks to do this on a "standard" sized envelope. Then you have a receipt from the postal office of delivery. This again, helps you in your transactions. Proves attempt at getting resolution prior to court action.
When we litigated against Chrysler, we did all these things. It made for a very "easy to read" case. Do anything and everything to document. But seems like you are already doing that.
05-27-2003, 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by Magellan
&#65279;You may be already past the point of taking them to court if you now replace the aftermarket
parts with stock and go to another dealer. I can hear the judge now:
“You say the intake and Y-pipe had nothing to do with the engine failure?”
“Yes, your honor.”
“Then why did remove them with stock parts and go to another dealer after the first dealer said
these mods were the problem? By doing this, aren’t you agreeing with them?”
“No sir.”
“Then why did you do it, other than trying to fool Nissan and this court?”
“Uh, ummm”
“OK, I not only rules in Nissan’s favor, but now hold you in contempt for submitting an exhibit
designed to mislead this court.”
&#65279;You may be already past the point of taking them to court if you now replace the aftermarket
parts with stock and go to another dealer. I can hear the judge now:
“You say the intake and Y-pipe had nothing to do with the engine failure?”
“Yes, your honor.”
“Then why did remove them with stock parts and go to another dealer after the first dealer said
these mods were the problem? By doing this, aren’t you agreeing with them?”
“No sir.”
“Then why did you do it, other than trying to fool Nissan and this court?”
“Uh, ummm”
“OK, I not only rules in Nissan’s favor, but now hold you in contempt for submitting an exhibit
designed to mislead this court.”
PS Thanks for all the feedback guys! Keep it up it is helping!
05-28-2003, 12:23 AM
#51
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How did you blow your engine?? If you took you in at the dealership, and they deny your warranty....they MIGHT have redflagged your car, and if not, put all the factory equipment on, and like what Cutlr7 said...play dumb. Some dealerships even hold up even with aftermarket parts....it mainly depends on the dealership.
05-28-2003, 04:41 PM
#53
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Thanks, Captain Obvious 
I would do what has been suggested as far as keeping detailed records and getting a second opinion from another shop. Then I would consult an attorney. The people on this site are knowledgable but, they are not attorneys and know the law inside and out. Most attorneys offer a free consult before they will represent your case.
I would do what has been suggested as far as keeping detailed records and getting a second opinion from another shop. Then I would consult an attorney. The people on this site are knowledgable but, they are not attorneys and know the law inside and out. Most attorneys offer a free consult before they will represent your case.
05-28-2003, 05:06 PM
#54
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Originally posted by 3.0HO
I didn't know it was blown until they told me. I thought it might be the fuel pump or something. They still haven't even told me what is offically wrong. Just saying I need a new engine.
I didn't know it was blown until they told me. I thought it might be the fuel pump or something. They still haven't even told me what is offically wrong. Just saying I need a new engine.
Originally posted by 3.0HO
They did mention something about the Y not being "Nissan approved emissions...." And the intake would effect air/fuel ratios etc...
They did mention something about the Y not being "Nissan approved emissions...." And the intake would effect air/fuel ratios etc...
05-28-2003, 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by Pizatt
A word to the wise, before you ever take your car to get any major work done at the dealer... put oem parts back on the car
A word to the wise, before you ever take your car to get any major work done at the dealer... put oem parts back on the car
Originally posted by MaximaMoJo
Thanks, Captain Obvious
Thanks, Captain Obvious
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!
05-28-2003, 08:05 PM
#57
Originally posted by SR20DEN
Put the stock parts on then try again. If they refuse you must take them to court. They legally have to PROVE your items caused the faliure.
Put the stock parts on then try again. If they refuse you must take them to court. They legally have to PROVE your items caused the faliure.
Btw- Please get a compression test done. I find it hard to belive the motor is gone, unless it was a factory defect or something I just dont see it possible. Also were are you located at (city/state?) The chances of this isnt too well but if your within 30min form me ill do the compression test for you. This I gotta see to belive, I personally think the dealer is full of **** and is tryin to take your cash.
05-28-2003, 08:17 PM
#58
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i blew my oil pump with a mishift, engine blew on the way to the dealer .nissan denied warrenty saying the aftermarket pully was installed too tight causing the pump to go which was a lie. i replaced the engine at cost and sued nissan for the money, by law they have to prove the aftermarket part caused the damage .( most importantly) make sure you get their bs in writing. i got a lawyer to write a threatning letter then went through small claims court and they settled.
05-28-2003, 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by quansung 2
i blew my oil pump with a mishift, engine blew on the way to the dealer .nissan denied warrenty saying the aftermarket pully was installed too tight causing the pump to go which was a lie. i replaced the engine at cost and sued nissan for the money, by law they have to prove the aftermarket part caused the damage .( most importantly) make sure you get their bs in writing. i got a lawyer to write a threatning letter then went through small claims court and they settled.
i blew my oil pump with a mishift, engine blew on the way to the dealer .nissan denied warrenty saying the aftermarket pully was installed too tight causing the pump to go which was a lie. i replaced the engine at cost and sued nissan for the money, by law they have to prove the aftermarket part caused the damage .( most importantly) make sure you get their bs in writing. i got a lawyer to write a threatning letter then went through small claims court and they settled.
Can you please private message me your email address?
thanks
05-28-2003, 10:38 PM
#60
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Originally posted by quansung 2
i blew my oil pump with a mishift, engine blew on the way to the dealer .nissan denied warrenty saying the aftermarket pully was installed too tight causing the pump to go which was a lie. i replaced the engine at cost and sued nissan for the money, by law they have to prove the aftermarket part caused the damage .( most importantly) make sure you get their bs in writing. i got a lawyer to write a threatning letter then went through small claims court and they settled.
i blew my oil pump with a mishift, engine blew on the way to the dealer .nissan denied warrenty saying the aftermarket pully was installed too tight causing the pump to go which was a lie. i replaced the engine at cost and sued nissan for the money, by law they have to prove the aftermarket part caused the damage .( most importantly) make sure you get their bs in writing. i got a lawyer to write a threatning letter then went through small claims court and they settled.
05-28-2003, 11:41 PM
#61
1.) Find out what is wrong with the motor. Have them put it on paper.
2.) Tell them your legal counsel has requested a written explanation from the service manager outlining the details of the failure and the cause. Inform them you have been told this is mandatory as they must stipulate why the warranty contract has been broken, by law.
3.) Contact the Ontario Motor Vehicle Arbitration Program
4.) Contact the APA.
(3&4 won't be understood by people who aren't Canucks, sorry folks).
Also, be a little more agressive with this. For starters, I would recommend that you make sure you get #2 done by the end of the business day today (Thursday). Give them until noon, then call the service manager. Have him get it to you by 2pm. If he doesn't have it, call reception and contact the owner of the dealership. Kindly inform them it's their a$$ on the line if they don't comply.
It's quite impossible for them to prove you broke it unless you really did over-rev it/missed a shift. If they can't present that, they gotta fix it.
The magnuson-moss act doesn't apply to Canada last I heard, but I might be wrong.
2.) Tell them your legal counsel has requested a written explanation from the service manager outlining the details of the failure and the cause. Inform them you have been told this is mandatory as they must stipulate why the warranty contract has been broken, by law.
3.) Contact the Ontario Motor Vehicle Arbitration Program
4.) Contact the APA.
(3&4 won't be understood by people who aren't Canucks, sorry folks
).Also, be a little more agressive with this. For starters, I would recommend that you make sure you get #2 done by the end of the business day today (Thursday). Give them until noon, then call the service manager. Have him get it to you by 2pm. If he doesn't have it, call reception and contact the owner of the dealership. Kindly inform them it's their a$$ on the line if they don't comply.
It's quite impossible for them to prove you broke it unless you really did over-rev it/missed a shift. If they can't present that, they gotta fix it.
The magnuson-moss act doesn't apply to Canada last I heard, but I might be wrong.
05-29-2003, 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by Jer
1.) Find out what is wrong with the motor. Have them put it on paper.
2.) Tell them your legal counsel has requested a written explanation from the service manager outlining the details of the failure and the cause. Inform them you have been told this is mandatory as they must stipulate why the warranty contract has been broken, by law.
3.) Contact the Ontario Motor Vehicle Arbitration Program
4.) Contact the APA.
(3&4 won't be understood by people who aren't Canucks, sorry folks).
Also, be a little more agressive with this. For starters, I would recommend that you make sure you get #2 done by the end of the business day today (Thursday). Give them until noon, then call the service manager. Have him get it to you by 2pm. If he doesn't have it, call reception and contact the owner of the dealership. Kindly inform them it's their a$$ on the line if they don't comply.
It's quite impossible for them to prove you broke it unless you really did over-rev it/missed a shift. If they can't present that, they gotta fix it.
The magnuson-moss act doesn't apply to Canada last I heard, but I might be wrong.
1.) Find out what is wrong with the motor. Have them put it on paper.
2.) Tell them your legal counsel has requested a written explanation from the service manager outlining the details of the failure and the cause. Inform them you have been told this is mandatory as they must stipulate why the warranty contract has been broken, by law.
3.) Contact the Ontario Motor Vehicle Arbitration Program
4.) Contact the APA.
(3&4 won't be understood by people who aren't Canucks, sorry folks
).Also, be a little more agressive with this. For starters, I would recommend that you make sure you get #2 done by the end of the business day today (Thursday). Give them until noon, then call the service manager. Have him get it to you by 2pm. If he doesn't have it, call reception and contact the owner of the dealership. Kindly inform them it's their a$$ on the line if they don't comply.
It's quite impossible for them to prove you broke it unless you really did over-rev it/missed a shift. If they can't present that, they gotta fix it.
The magnuson-moss act doesn't apply to Canada last I heard, but I might be wrong.
They won't tell me what is wrong with the car at all. Just saying it is probably a blown motor. The dealer said he will not look at it because Nissan has voided the warranty. The dealer is saying I have to pay to find out what is wrong.... $1000+ to diagnose. If the dealer deems the damage on the car was not done by the mods in question then the warranty would cover it. (i have that in writing as well from headquarters).
Called a lawyer today and set up a meeting. I have also sent Nissan a letter and they have responded with a signed letter (see above).
How do I contact Ontario Motor Vehicle Arbitration Program?
What is the APA. How do I contact them?
Any other details let me know?
Thank you for your help!
05-29-2003, 08:46 AM
#63
05-29-2003, 09:51 PM
#64
I suggest you call them and tell them Nissan cannot void a warranty on any particular item until they correlate the modification with the failure. The dealer would have to tell them what is installed, and what in the warranty SHOULD be voided as a result. Both Nissan HQ and the Nissan dealer must work together, and you could say that each has a 50% influence into the matter. So they have to know.
Did you point out what they've done is illegal? They can't -decide- to do anything because there is modification. Ask them what is voided in the warranty. Tell them if a non-powertrain dependant component such as your power window motors has also been voided (ie. complete warranty void), they are in breach of their contract to provide you support for their product. Also, what dealership is this, and how far up the ranks have you escalated with Nissan Canada?
Lots of links, including Ontario arbitration and Canadian arbitration : http://camvap.ca/eng/links.html / http://camvap.ca
Did you point out what they've done is illegal? They can't -decide- to do anything because there is modification. Ask them what is voided in the warranty. Tell them if a non-powertrain dependant component such as your power window motors has also been voided (ie. complete warranty void), they are in breach of their contract to provide you support for their product. Also, what dealership is this, and how far up the ranks have you escalated with Nissan Canada?
Lots of links, including Ontario arbitration and Canadian arbitration : http://camvap.ca/eng/links.html / http://camvap.ca
Originally posted by 3.0HO
Thank you for your help!
They won't tell me what is wrong with the car at all. Just saying it is probably a blown motor. The dealer said he will not look at it because Nissan has voided the warranty. The dealer is saying I have to pay to find out what is wrong.... $1000+ to diagnose. If the dealer deems the damage on the car was not done by the mods in question then the warranty would cover it. (i have that in writing as well from headquarters).
Called a lawyer today and set up a meeting. I have also sent Nissan a letter and they have responded with a signed letter (see above).
How do I contact Ontario Motor Vehicle Arbitration Program?
What is the APA. How do I contact them?
Any other details let me know?
Thank you for your help!
Thank you for your help!
They won't tell me what is wrong with the car at all. Just saying it is probably a blown motor. The dealer said he will not look at it because Nissan has voided the warranty. The dealer is saying I have to pay to find out what is wrong.... $1000+ to diagnose. If the dealer deems the damage on the car was not done by the mods in question then the warranty would cover it. (i have that in writing as well from headquarters).
Called a lawyer today and set up a meeting. I have also sent Nissan a letter and they have responded with a signed letter (see above).
How do I contact Ontario Motor Vehicle Arbitration Program?
What is the APA. How do I contact them?
Any other details let me know?
Thank you for your help!
05-29-2003, 11:50 PM
#65
For the love of GOD!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by 3.0HO
Thank you for your help!
They won't tell me what is wrong with the car at all. Just saying it is probably a blown motor. The dealer said he will not look at it because Nissan has voided the warranty. The dealer is saying I have to pay to find out what is wrong.... $1000+ to diagnose. If the dealer deems the damage on the car was not done by the mods in question then the warranty would cover it. (i have that in writing as well from headquarters).
Called a lawyer today and set up a meeting. I have also sent Nissan a letter and they have responded with a signed letter (see above).
How do I contact Ontario Motor Vehicle Arbitration Program?
What is the APA. How do I contact them?
Any other details let me know?
Thank you for your help!
Thank you for your help!
They won't tell me what is wrong with the car at all. Just saying it is probably a blown motor. The dealer said he will not look at it because Nissan has voided the warranty. The dealer is saying I have to pay to find out what is wrong.... $1000+ to diagnose. If the dealer deems the damage on the car was not done by the mods in question then the warranty would cover it. (i have that in writing as well from headquarters).
Called a lawyer today and set up a meeting. I have also sent Nissan a letter and they have responded with a signed letter (see above).
How do I contact Ontario Motor Vehicle Arbitration Program?
What is the APA. How do I contact them?
Any other details let me know?
Thank you for your help!
Just from the replies, it doesn't sound like the dealer has a clue if the engine is really blown.
HOW DO THEY KNOW IT'S BLOWN?
Good luck BTW and keep us updated.
05-30-2003, 11:40 AM
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Re: For the love of GOD!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by IceY2K1
Please please please don't be so passive bro. Go buy a $30USD compression tester from your local autoparts store and IMMEDIATELY go to the dealer and use it.
Just from the replies, it doesn't sound like the dealer has a clue if the engine is really blown.
HOW DO THEY KNOW IT'S BLOWN?
Good luck BTW and keep us updated.
Please please please don't be so passive bro. Go buy a $30USD compression tester from your local autoparts store and IMMEDIATELY go to the dealer and use it.
Just from the replies, it doesn't sound like the dealer has a clue if the engine is really blown.
HOW DO THEY KNOW IT'S BLOWN?
Good luck BTW and keep us updated.
quansung 2: please drop me your email.
05-30-2003, 12:37 PM
#67
Re: Re: For the love of GOD!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by 3.0HO
True! They say it is but they haven't put anything in writing. But want me to pay for a diagnose to determine if the intake/y caused the "problem".
True! They say it is but they haven't put anything in writing. But want me to pay for a diagnose to determine if the intake/y caused the "problem".
I also seem to recall that if the issue is ultimately covered under warranty, the diagnosis cost is the dealer's to absorb. You should ask them about that too.
Good luck! Nice to hear there's some progress.
05-30-2003, 04:49 PM
#68
Re: Re: For the love of GOD!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by 3.0HO
True! They say it is but they haven't put anything in writing. But want me to pay for a diagnose to determine if the intake/y caused the "problem". Problem = undefined. I am getting "some" progress. Will keep everyone up to date.
quansung 2: please drop me your email.
True! They say it is but they haven't put anything in writing. But want me to pay for a diagnose to determine if the intake/y caused the "problem". Problem = undefined. I am getting "some" progress. Will keep everyone up to date.
quansung 2: please drop me your email.
Are you going to perform a compression test?
05-30-2003, 09:01 PM
#69
U wanna try me young boy?
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 1,024
It's not like it's $1000 in labor to diagnose the failure...
- Compression test first, then go from there. Silly compression results (ie 0psi on some cylinders) would mean something VERY bad happened. If the compression is good then everything else is fixable. A compression check on the VQ should only take 30 mins. And you can do it yourself!
- Also run the engine codes.
- Check the oil and cooland for proper level and cross-contamination.
Try this attack... Ask the dealer to explain what scenarios would be caused by the intake (ie leaning out etc) and work on refuting those scenarios. Maybe they'll claim the engine leaned out - then you would expect to see some 02 out of range code? Or they'll say a K&N style oiled filter damaged the MAF sometimes - well, show me a MAF code or something!
If you don't get off your butt and harass these folks then your *** is gonna be $5k wider...
- Compression test first, then go from there. Silly compression results (ie 0psi on some cylinders) would mean something VERY bad happened. If the compression is good then everything else is fixable. A compression check on the VQ should only take 30 mins. And you can do it yourself!
- Also run the engine codes.
- Check the oil and cooland for proper level and cross-contamination.
Try this attack... Ask the dealer to explain what scenarios would be caused by the intake (ie leaning out etc) and work on refuting those scenarios. Maybe they'll claim the engine leaned out - then you would expect to see some 02 out of range code? Or they'll say a K&N style oiled filter damaged the MAF sometimes - well, show me a MAF code or something!
If you don't get off your butt and harass these folks then your *** is gonna be $5k wider...
06-03-2003, 11:49 AM
#72
Old Fuddy Duddy
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 2,712
Re: Re: Re: Re: For the love of GOD!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by 3.0HO
Being done today by a third party.
The third party got my car running in 30mins.
Being done today by a third party.
The third party got my car running in 30mins.
Could you tell us what the "end" result was to repair that blown motor of yours? Can you prove it was warranty?
I would also write a polite letter to Nissan, and the owner showing the incompetance of their facilities.
06-03-2003, 02:46 PM
#75
Supporting Maxima.org Member
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 621
I don't understand why you're willing to put up with this dealership. My car has a warranty on it, if a dealership (although infiniti is a lot more friendly than nissan) refused to even tell me what was wrong I'd just take it to a dealership who would look at it. If that means getting your car towed to another dealership then do it.
06-03-2003, 10:49 PM
#76
Re: Re: Re: Re: For the love of GOD!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by 3.0HO
Being done today by a third party.
The third party got my car running in 30mins.
Being done today by a third party.
The third party got my car running in 30mins.
DRIVE, RUN, WALK, hell crawl if you have to and GET YOUR CAR THE *** OUT OF THERE!!!!!!
Damn man! If they say the engine is "blown" and some "3rd party????" gets it running in 30mins.., you need to have it towed to ANOTHER DEALER immediately.
Just get your car away from them ASAP and tell them to go *** themselves after you call them idiots a few dozen times.
BTW, take Colonels' advice and WRITE letters about what they "tried" to do to you.
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