Ok I thought it was a joke but I think this guy is serious or its a scam & this cashier check will most likely bounce?


Here's the emails from order I got them in?


Subj: URGENT FINAL PRICE FOR YOUR MAXIMA NEEDED IMMEDIATELY
Date: 6/2/2003 10:22:57 PM Central Daylight Time
From: gordon74bobby@hotmail.com
To: *****@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Dear K Pazzo

I am offering for the Nissan Maxima the sum of $9,000 and if it is
acceptable to you,get back to me rightaway with the cost of shippment to Cotonu Benin Republic etc and i will make payment immediately with a Certicified Cashier Cheque

Thanks for your anticipations.

Ochonogo Robert




Jokingly I replied------->

Subj: Re: URGENT FINAL PRICE FOR YOUR MAXIMA NEEDED IMMEDIATELY
Date: 6/2/2003 10:32:22 PM Central Daylight Time
From: ****
To: gordon74bobby@hotmail.com

Sounds good....do you plan to pay in person or by mail?





Then he responds------>

Subj: Re: URGENT RESPONSE
Date: 6/3/2003 6:28:02 PM Central Daylight Time
From: gordon74bobby@hotmail.com
To: ****@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Dear kpaZZooo

Your mail to me were quitely noted.I want you to inclouding the cost of shipping the car to Cotonou Benin Republic and i will send to you a cashier cheque for $30,000,00.and the balance which you will
send it to my business partner in Holand for other business.Or I can also send it to your door step through Diplomatic courier services under some days. All you need is to identify your self with your International Passport or Driven License.

Thanks and God bless.

Robert


ok this guy cant be serious $30,000,00.???
And where the hell is Cotonou Benin Republic?

 

$30,000? is that in pesos?

 

It's a scam, most likely originating out of Nigeria. If you want to follow up on it contact the Secret Service or Postal Inspector (US Postal Service). They both deal with this type of crime.

And check the for sale forum for another thread on this.

 

lol I watched a story on NBC news in which a scam like this was pulled on some guy for his old car. Don't remember the specifics but the car was for sale at a very low price of $2,000 or so and the "buyer" (btw are usually from Africa) says he'll give the seller $13000 and he expects the seller to refund him the difference in a form of a cashier's check payable to an "associate" in "good faith". Of course the seller will send a real check whereas the buyer will send a check destined to bounce.

 

There was another post about this recently, and it sounds like a scam. Someone under a different name went to at least two other .Org members and offered them a ridiculous price for there cars, under the same terms. I would not take it seriously, and would be very very wary.

 

did some research for u, Cotonou is the commerical capital city of the Benin Republic

National Currency : 1 CFA Franc = 100 Centimes
9,000 usd = 5,034,680.81

scam?

 

isn't this how that BMW owner lost his M5?

it is definitely a scam... has the same earmarks as the nigeria scam.

 

have the guy send you a check for the $30,000..cash the check, send him your car, tell his business partner to F'off and go buy yourself something nice (personally, i'd put $30,000 on an E39 M5)

 

 

The deal is that the check from them bounces. But agree to the offer IF THEY AGREE TO A MONEY ORDER or other form of non-bouncable currency. Also specify USD$

 

hahahha

that so sounds automated

 

cotonou, benin is the heart of stolen/used cars in w. africa and is next door to Nigeria. When i was back home (lagos), i knew of a lot of guys that drove over to cotonou to get cars really cheap there cos they were:

i. stolen from here (U.S), loaded into containers onto ships and sent straight there
ii. bought fraudulently (as in this case) using a valid but stolen credit card and sold for less than half the price.

The usual method of stealing these cars at that time was through valet drivers. You give them your keys and say bye to your car forever.

The cars can be shipped directly into Lagos but the problem was the high duty on them as well as the fact that you have to to bribe the guys to get the car out else it gets impounded. They were also almost always vandalized on the ship unless "special" arrangements had been made.

Now most of them resort to buying totalled cars here, fixing them and rolling the odometers back and shipping to cotonou to sell as brand new or almost new. A few exceptions are the ones that email in bulk or spam (aka email/fax blasting) sending millions of emails and faxes at once. 5 out of the million might reply, but there is a sucker born every minute so the chances of getting a sucker are 1 in 5...and they hit a jackpot.

The best response to these emails is to either play them at their own game and if you are really good and confident and have the ability to think like a wise guy, you will actually get something out of them before they get anything out of you. Or just delete the email and "THINK NO MORE OF IT." NO WELL MEANING PERSON THERE OFFERS TO BUY CARS THE WAY THIS GUY DID and thats the most important thing to note. They sometimes also send people based here to contact you and that method is the most successful because people tend to rely on the fact that "once i see his face, i'll never forget" and "he cant be that bold, he wont take the risk". On the contrary, if they hit you hard enough, they dont need to be here any longer and europe is the next base for relaxation.

The most common legal way of buying cars over there is to order directly from the manufacturer....mercedes and peugeot are the most sought and so no reason is good enough to justify the email. I could go on and on and on giving you all what to look out for but the best warning is to realise that even though it takes money to make money, if it is too good to be true, it probably is.

oh btw: specifying US$ won't really help you at all. The check is home made but will take at least 3 - 4 weeks to actually detect that it is fake. The money would be deposited in your account but will be withdrawn the moment the check is bounced so the 7 day wait period wont work unless you cash out immediately and change banks which i wont advice anyone to do (you will spend a long while reflecting on your deeds). They might also offer to GIVE you cash. An insight: my mum sent me $5000 cash about 2 weeks ago. $300 of the bills were fake and I was able to get $4700 instead of the full amount which was no biggie as it isn't the first time it's happened. the notes werent seized but i offered to give them up. Some of these notes are made there and can only be detected under intense scrutiny. Heck, when I was about 13, there were fake washingtons all over the place. I can't imagine what they have now.

 

that was interesting. i never thought of these as more than a prank email. now i know

 

this thing is jus full of BS

 

send them a car with no engine.

 

 

K Pazzo 6 I got the same email and im not even selling my car. I played along becuase I figured it was that Nigeria scam and told him to send me the money in cash and they stopped responding.

 

yeah its a scam...theres a website somewhere on yahoo that has info on how to forward a copy of the email to the FBI...they are cracking down on these a$$holes..

 

one of my friends got this a few weeks ago and we figged it was a scam too. they wanted to buy his 90 something wrangler for some rediculous amount and ship it to someplace in africa without knowing or seeing anything about it. i think it was the same name and details too. theyll scam ya on anything anymore. hope nobody here would fall for that.

 

This site should be helpful.
http://axiusnews.com/cboard2/viewrep...?cbid=1&tid=14

If you want to have some fun, I read a post on there where the guy knew it was a fraud. But, got the guy to send the check, and then e-mailed the conman back and said thanks for the check and I got the money and everything worked out fine. I sent your check in the mail, and for some reason the conman got all ****y and said that the mail system is messed up there and he will never get the check.

I would just tell him after you get that fake check, that you aren't going to send him jack back. And see what he does.

Have fun with this.

 

This scam has reall caught my attention. Look at what this guy did.
UPDATE from above 12/21 message: So I've been leading this guy on and it's getting really funny. I'm trying to scam him now. Here are the latest emails:

(From me)
Hi James--

I got your message today...I have bad news. The car was in an accident just after I cashed your check on Monday. A large garbage truck backed into it and as if that wasn't enough, it dropped a huge, full dumpster full of glass bottles on the top completely destroying it. The company will pay for the car as soon as I can provide a value estimate. The good news is They are giving me $10,000 for the car as soon as I get it appraised. I'm very sorry this happened, and to make it up to you, I'll send you back the $7800 plus $1000 for your trouble through Western Union as soon as I get the appraisal done. I hope this is okay and once again, I'm very sorry about the car-- I know you must have liked it to ship it all the way to Africa! The appraisal will cost me about $1900 because of the lawyer and state fees and associated costs, but it's worth it. The only problem is that I need to get the $1900 before I can get the 10,000 from the garbage company. I have cashed your check and put the $7800 in Escrow (eBay safe harbor), so I can't access it yet. But if you send me $1900 via Western Union, I can get the appraisal done and send you the $8,800 plus your $1900 loan for the appraisal ($10,700) in just two days. I don't mind waiting for the cash to come back out of Escrow (four to six weeks) and I will just send you the $10,700 about two days after I get the money to have the appraisal done. Once again, I'm very sorry about the car and I hope this helps. I just feel bad that the car was destroyed. I hope this can make it better for you. If you want, I can try to find a similar car, too, but for now I just want to get you your money back.

Yours,
BEN

(His response)

XTREMELY URGENT

BEN,
PLEASE I WANT YOU TO SEND THE REMAINING BALANCE TO MY ACCOUNTANT . PLEASE I NEED THIS FUNDS TO CLEAR ALL MY TROUBLES.

SINCE LAST WEEK I CANNOT GET INTOUCH WITH YOU VIA THE EMAIL , THIS DUE TO THE INCIDENT THAT OCCURS IN MY OFFICE, ALL MY PROPERTIES GOT BURNT .

FOR NOW THE CAR IS NOT THE MAIN ISSUE ,I NEED TO GET THE REST FUNDS TODAY.

PLEASE SEND IT TO MY ACOUNTANT ..

BAMIDELE SAMUEL
40 LOBSTER AVENUE
LAGOS,NIGERIA
23401.

THANKS.

JAMES NORMAN

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Okay, so at least I have a real name and address (or so I hope). Here's my response:

James--

That is very unfortunate, I lost my email address once in a spectacular car
fire. Do you like American Rock and Roll? I'll send a check to James Norman
on lobster avenue as soon as I can get it out of escrow (four to six weeks)
or I can give you the cash as soon as I can come up with $1900.00.

Thanks,
Ben

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I don't think he's dumb enough to get scammed by me, but it's the most interesting pen pal I've ever had! I'll keep y'all updated...
-Ben

 

HAHAHH omg..so funny.

 

redmax007 sell him your car:hump:

 

http://www.delawarescamvictims.com/

Geez, I feel bad for the people losing tens of thousands of dollars but come on... How stupid are they? These have to be the same people who buy the "tornado" and those electric superchargers on ebay! They're the people that read spam and talk seriously with telemarketers which cause the rest of us to have to put up with that kind of crap so they can find the 1/10000th person to scam/sell crap to... Blah!



If it's too good to be true...

 

I feel really bad for the people who fell for this scam, but it's thanks to them that we are so much wiser about this now. STAY AWAY.
-Cyrus

 

 

I like the version where the poor Nigerian boys parents die in a car crash, and his dad left him 45 million dollars in the bank. But he can't touch it because he is 20 so he needs to send the 45 million dollars to your bank account first and then you send him some back. Like a fraudulent 45 million dollar wire transfer wouldn't arouse some suspicions. Some people...

 

00maxist...

Did he actually send you a check??

The trick in this scam is the check is sucha good forgery that the bank will accept it and credit your account at first, then will turn around 30 days later and take it back when they realise it's fake... Meanwhile you've seen your ba;ance go up so you think it's safe to send him a money order...

 

hmmm..have the guy make it out to cash..in smaller checks

 

No, just from what I have read. Don't actually cash the check. I would just tell him I did and everything went through fine and tell him that you are just going to fed ex the check to him, and watch him panic. They don't want to give you their adress, but they also don't want to admit to a scam in case there is still a chance you send them the money.