WHY is the FASTest MAX not faster???
06-25-2003 | 09:59 AM
#41
Originally posted by Shadow
Very true. I'm the last person to knock the Maxima performance aftermarket, but it just costs so much relative to those other cars. I mean, my friend is swapping a built SR20DET motor/tranny into his 240SX, and getting an upgraded turbokit and turbo for less money than it's costing me to just custom build a turbo setup. Once he's done, that' 400 hp at the wheels. And I'm seeing Supras, DSM's, and WRX's pushing so much power for not a huge amount of money. Frustrating, sometimes I just want to sell the car and get something different. But then again, easy isn't always fun.
Very true. I'm the last person to knock the Maxima performance aftermarket, but it just costs so much relative to those other cars. I mean, my friend is swapping a built SR20DET motor/tranny into his 240SX, and getting an upgraded turbokit and turbo for less money than it's costing me to just custom build a turbo setup. Once he's done, that' 400 hp at the wheels. And I'm seeing Supras, DSM's, and WRX's pushing so much power for not a huge amount of money. Frustrating, sometimes I just want to sell the car and get something different. But then again, easy isn't always fun.
06-25-2003 | 10:40 AM
#42
Originally posted by deezo
Shadow: And this is why I'm trying to make up my mind between owning a SC400, 240SX or a GN/GNX. I'm keeping the Max because I love it but I would have a lot more fun modding these cars because the gains wouldn't be so small.
Shadow: And this is why I'm trying to make up my mind between owning a SC400, 240SX or a GN/GNX. I'm keeping the Max because I love it but I would have a lot more fun modding these cars because the gains wouldn't be so small.
SC300= TT 2JZ-GTE swap= Supra sleeper
240SX= cant go wrong
GN/GNX... have long straight freeways??
the Lexus SC is a beautiful car...
06-25-2003 | 10:56 AM
#43
Originally posted by Shadow
That's the thing, no one really knows. As DA-Max says, word is Hal is running mid 12's, but we don't have any proof. Not that I'm doubting him, but until it can be confirmed like Matt's runs, it doesn't count.
Other than him, no turbo maxes have really run at the track. Did Nigel? Not sure.
Hopefully the turbo guys will start running soon. I think there's just still so few of them that it will be a while before we get a lot of numbers. Guess I'll just have to get my turbo finished sooner and put up some numbers
That's the thing, no one really knows. As DA-Max says, word is Hal is running mid 12's, but we don't have any proof. Not that I'm doubting him, but until it can be confirmed like Matt's runs, it doesn't count.
Other than him, no turbo maxes have really run at the track. Did Nigel? Not sure.
Hopefully the turbo guys will start running soon. I think there's just still so few of them that it will be a while before we get a lot of numbers. Guess I'll just have to get my turbo finished sooner and put up some numbers
(Vette's on the bottle, Mustang Cobras, Turbo 240SX's, etc)Bryan
06-25-2003 | 11:04 AM
#44
These things are 1/4 killers. Big V6 and turbo is a potent combo. Probably the cheapest way into the low 12's and 11's that I know of.
Originally posted by carnal_c30
GN/GNX... have long straight freeways??
GN/GNX... have long straight freeways??
06-25-2003 | 11:08 AM
#45
Originally posted by DA-MAX
I read in the SC/TC forum somewhere Hal was seeing mid 12s
anyone to confirm??
I read in the SC/TC forum somewhere Hal was seeing mid 12s
anyone to confirm??
06-25-2003 | 11:24 AM
#47
You cant really compare a supra to maximas or many other cars for that matter. Upgraded turbo and fuel management can yield 600+ HP to the wheels. It's almost unfair.
Our cars will never be up there with DSM's and Integras and such either, because the HP/$ will always be low. I would personally just be satisfied with high 12's and still have room comfortably for four. I'm not about to compromise comfort to run 11's.
Our cars will never be up there with DSM's and Integras and such either, because the HP/$ will always be low. I would personally just be satisfied with high 12's and still have room comfortably for four. I'm not about to compromise comfort to run 11's.
06-25-2003 | 11:59 AM
#49
Originally posted by MardiGrasMax
Anybody wana buy a used SC kit? Its cabable of 11's with proper tuning and some juice. Mid 12's on street tires with out juice for sure. Make me an offer
Anybody wana buy a used SC kit?
Its cabable of 11's with proper tuning and some juice. Mid 12's on street tires with out juice for sure. Make me an offer
I could only imagine what this means.....
06-25-2003 | 12:00 PM
#50
Originally posted by MardiGrasMax
Anybody wana buy a used SC kit? Its cabable of 11's with proper tuning and some juice. Mid 12's on street tires with out juice for sure. Make me an offer
Anybody wana buy a used SC kit?
Its cabable of 11's with proper tuning and some juice. Mid 12's on street tires with out juice for sure. Make me an offer
06-25-2003 | 01:56 PM
#52
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From: Poconos. pa
I think a daily driver that runs 11.9 is pretty damn impressive
and i havent seen too many cars running that fast and i go to other boards im sure if he put it on a trailer and stripped every last bit of comfort and convience out of it, the 10 second max would be possible besides the fact that we havent seen how much this motor can really take highest number ive heard of is 500 hp it took jamies sentra se-r over 550 to hit his 10s and 9.8 runs
and i havent seen too many cars running that fast and i go to other boards im sure if he put it on a trailer and stripped every last bit of comfort and convience out of it, the 10 second max would be possible besides the fact that we havent seen how much this motor can really take highest number ive heard of is 500 hp it took jamies sentra se-r over 550 to hit his 10s and 9.8 runs
06-25-2003 | 03:00 PM
#54
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Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 7,530
Originally posted by SprintMax
you guys would be suprised at the amount of 600+ hp supra's that run 12's
you guys would be suprised at the amount of 600+ hp supra's that run 12's
I thought it was you but maybe not.
SuDZ
06-25-2003 | 03:03 PM
#56
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 6,451
From: Near Archer High School, Ga
Originally posted by 96sleeper
mardigras trapped 117 mph though, which should be good for a low low 11 second pass. He doesn't power shift because he doesn't want to break his tranny. Nobody else with a maxima can touch his power and mph. It takes alot of power to run that fast. No one has spent the money to open up the engine yet really. Mardigras is working on an engine project with the 3.5 liter engine right now, which should make more power and especially more torque. He could run 10's if it was a race car that was completely gutted, but he still drives it every day. The other imports that run some much faster are not real cars, they are race only.
mardigras trapped 117 mph though, which should be good for a low low 11 second pass. He doesn't power shift because he doesn't want to break his tranny. Nobody else with a maxima can touch his power and mph. It takes alot of power to run that fast. No one has spent the money to open up the engine yet really. Mardigras is working on an engine project with the 3.5 liter engine right now, which should make more power and especially more torque. He could run 10's if it was a race car that was completely gutted, but he still drives it every day. The other imports that run some much faster are not real cars, they are race only.
Highly agree, I went to the track here in Jacksonville and observed the fast imports were small cars, turbo, Nitrous and gutted, what do you expect out a gutted vehicle that weighs a buck and a half? Its going fast no weight to carry. After this 3.5 transplant we will see a much lower number and a hell a faster car.
06-25-2003 | 03:15 PM
#57
Originally posted by SprintMax
you guys would be suprised at the amount of 600+ hp supra's that run 12's
you guys would be suprised at the amount of 600+ hp supra's that run 12's
06-25-2003 | 10:16 PM
#64
Originally posted by deezo
True.
I can add a #6 also:
6. What person thought, "I'm going to buy a Maxima to make it run 11's in the 1/4?"
A lot of people just bought the car because its great for what it is and its reliable as hell. Perfect highway car also.
I can honestly say that when I bought my Max, I was going to go with a full exhaust setup for more power. I didn't want to car to look too good because at that time I lived in a bad area of Boston but I mainly did have dreams of getting more power out of it.
True.
I can add a #6 also:
6. What person thought, "I'm going to buy a Maxima to make it run 11's in the 1/4?"
A lot of people just bought the car because its great for what it is and its reliable as hell. Perfect highway car also.
I can honestly say that when I bought my Max, I was going to go with a full exhaust setup for more power. I didn't want to car to look too good because at that time I lived in a bad area of Boston but I mainly did have dreams of getting more power out of it.
they asked me if i had a Y pipe at the time i was like "what the hell are you talking about?"
06-25-2003 | 10:20 PM
#65
Originally posted by Jeff92se
These things are 1/4 killers. Big V6 and turbo is a potent combo. Probably the cheapest way into the low 12's and 11's that I know of.
These things are 1/4 killers. Big V6 and turbo is a potent combo. Probably the cheapest way into the low 12's and 11's that I know of. 
06-25-2003 | 10:56 PM
#67
Originally posted by MardiGrasMax
Anybody wana buy a used SC kit? Its cabable of 11's with proper tuning and some juice. Mid 12's on street tires with out juice for sure. Make me an offer
Anybody wana buy a used SC kit?
Its cabable of 11's with proper tuning and some juice. Mid 12's on street tires with out juice for sure. Make me an offer
06-26-2003 | 07:09 AM
#68
Wasn't the grand national a turbo? I think these new buicks are supercharged. To put the GN motor in a FWD platform, I would wonder about massve TQ steer. And both hands better be on the steering wheel pointing straight ahead when the turbo kicks in. That would be a beast to handle.
DW
DW
Originally posted by deezo
Here's the latest GNX to come with 300hp.....
Here's the latest GNX to come with 300hp.....
06-26-2003 | 10:53 AM
#69
Car and Driver estimates the quarter mile performance of the new Ford GT-40 (500hp, 500tq) to be ~11.7 @ ~120mph. That same magazine listed the new Lamborgini Murcielago at 12.6
In this context, I would say an 11.9 out of a 4 door family sedan is fabulous!
In this context, I would say an 11.9 out of a 4 door family sedan is fabulous!
06-26-2003 | 11:02 AM
#70
Originally posted by dwapenyi
Wasn't the grand national a turbo? I think these new buicks are supercharged. To put the GN motor in a FWD platform, I would wonder about massve TQ steer. And both hands better be on the steering wheel pointing straight ahead when the turbo kicks in. That would be a beast to handle.
DW
Wasn't the grand national a turbo? I think these new buicks are supercharged. To put the GN motor in a FWD platform, I would wonder about massve TQ steer. And both hands better be on the steering wheel pointing straight ahead when the turbo kicks in. That would be a beast to handle.
DW
The Regal GNX, Buick's new high-performance show car, is designed to celebrate the heritage of the Buick "boosted" V-6 engine. The car name "GNX" honors the quickest production car of its day - the limited-build 300-horsepower intercooled and turbocharged 1987 Regal GNX.
Similar to its namesake, the GNX show car combines premium features while delivering significant power, but updated for the 21st century. The GNX show car debuted at the 2000 Specialty Equipment Manufacturers' Association (SEMA) show in Las Vegas.
In contrast with the original GNX, which was turbocharged, the GNX show car features a high-output supercharged V-6. Buick first offered production supercharged engines in 1991. Over the last 10 years Buick has been the world's leading supplier of supercharged automobiles.
"I doubt any auto manufacturer has derived more performance through the technology of supercharging and/or turbocharging the V-6 engine than Buick," said Mark D. Hines, Regal brand manager. Buick ushered in the modern era of mass- produced V-6 engines in 1962 with the Buick Special claiming Motor Trend Magazine's Car of the Year honors.
Engine output for the GNX show car is increased 20 percent over the production Regal GS. The engine delivers 300 horsepower at 5200 rpm and 300 lb-ft of torque at 3600 rpm. Increased power is derived through a custom intercooler, specially built cold airbox induction system, and custom headers which direct exhaust through a stainless steel exhaust system with catalytic converter and a Borla muffler.
The GNX show car has been lowered 1 1/2 inches from the production Regal GS. Custom-made polished aluminum spoked 18-inch HRE wheels and low-profile 255/45ZR16 Michelin performance tires provide a powerful, aggressive stance.
The body incorporates ground effects all around and is finished in a two-tone metalflake Star Black over a Silver Smoke gray lower trim. The effect of the paint scheme represents midnight under a starry sky. A custom body-colored mesh screen grille with monochromatic Buick tri-shield logo completes the look.
A raised, functional integrated hood scoop featuring three operational portholes on each side contribute to the performance nature of the Regal GNX show car. The GNX's portholes, a Buick original design introduced in the late 1940s, keep the engine compartment cool for the high-performance supercharged 3800 V-6 engine.
The famous Buick porthole theme is extended to the rear of the Regal GNX show car where three polished stainless exhaust tips exit through a center opening in the rear fascia. A three-inch high rear spoiler and a stainless exhaust heat shield in the fascia surrounding the exhaust tips complete the rear view.
Baer racing brakes provide stopping power.
The steering wheel, door panels, and shift **** and boot are finished in Star Black leather to compliment the exterior paint color of the GNX show car. A monotone Buick tri-shield is embroidered into front and rear seat headrests. The GNX moniker is embroidered into the front floor mats. The instrument panel insert and the driver and front passenger door control panel areas are painted exterior body color. Front and rear seats are trimmed in Star Black and gray leather.
Similar to its namesake, the GNX show car combines premium features while delivering significant power, but updated for the 21st century. The GNX show car debuted at the 2000 Specialty Equipment Manufacturers' Association (SEMA) show in Las Vegas.
In contrast with the original GNX, which was turbocharged, the GNX show car features a high-output supercharged V-6. Buick first offered production supercharged engines in 1991. Over the last 10 years Buick has been the world's leading supplier of supercharged automobiles.
"I doubt any auto manufacturer has derived more performance through the technology of supercharging and/or turbocharging the V-6 engine than Buick," said Mark D. Hines, Regal brand manager. Buick ushered in the modern era of mass- produced V-6 engines in 1962 with the Buick Special claiming Motor Trend Magazine's Car of the Year honors.
Engine output for the GNX show car is increased 20 percent over the production Regal GS. The engine delivers 300 horsepower at 5200 rpm and 300 lb-ft of torque at 3600 rpm. Increased power is derived through a custom intercooler, specially built cold airbox induction system, and custom headers which direct exhaust through a stainless steel exhaust system with catalytic converter and a Borla muffler.
The GNX show car has been lowered 1 1/2 inches from the production Regal GS. Custom-made polished aluminum spoked 18-inch HRE wheels and low-profile 255/45ZR16 Michelin performance tires provide a powerful, aggressive stance.
The body incorporates ground effects all around and is finished in a two-tone metalflake Star Black over a Silver Smoke gray lower trim. The effect of the paint scheme represents midnight under a starry sky. A custom body-colored mesh screen grille with monochromatic Buick tri-shield logo completes the look.
A raised, functional integrated hood scoop featuring three operational portholes on each side contribute to the performance nature of the Regal GNX show car. The GNX's portholes, a Buick original design introduced in the late 1940s, keep the engine compartment cool for the high-performance supercharged 3800 V-6 engine.
The famous Buick porthole theme is extended to the rear of the Regal GNX show car where three polished stainless exhaust tips exit through a center opening in the rear fascia. A three-inch high rear spoiler and a stainless exhaust heat shield in the fascia surrounding the exhaust tips complete the rear view.
Baer racing brakes provide stopping power.
The steering wheel, door panels, and shift **** and boot are finished in Star Black leather to compliment the exterior paint color of the GNX show car. A monotone Buick tri-shield is embroidered into front and rear seat headrests. The GNX moniker is embroidered into the front floor mats. The instrument panel insert and the driver and front passenger door control panel areas are painted exterior body color. Front and rear seats are trimmed in Star Black and gray leather.
06-26-2003 | 11:42 AM
#71
Originally posted by luckee2bhere
the only dumb person is one that doesnt ask the question...and you.
the only dumb person is one that doesnt ask the question...and you.
06-26-2003 | 06:03 PM
#72
Originally posted by johnvt1111
What other front wheel drive car have you seen even close to that, that is 4 doors?
What other front wheel drive car have you seen even close to that, that is 4 doors?
....I stopped counting once I got to 10 4-doors that were in the 11s and 12s..... What do we have 2 confirmed Maximas in the 11s and 12s???I am by no way saying that 11s and 12s is a norm. I just wanted insight on why there arent more MAXs going this fast.
I think we have pretty much hit all the points why we havent seen faster Maximas yet. Number One being the money...for the money it isnt worth it to hook up the Maxima to go for 11s is what the concensus seems to be.
06-26-2003 | 06:09 PM
#73
It's a heck of a lot easier when the car comes supercharged from the factory. We have to spend $4K just to be on even ground to start with.
Originally posted by luckee2bhere
GTP... ....I stopped counting once I got to 10 4-doors that were in the 11s and 12s..... What do we have 2 confirmed Maximas in the 11s and 12s???
I am by no way saying that 11s and 12s is a norm. I just wanted insight on why there arent more MAXs going this fast.
I think we have pretty much hit all the points why we havent seen faster Maximas yet. Number One being the money...for the money it isnt worth it to hook up the Maxima to go for 11s is what the concensus seems to be.
GTP...
....I stopped counting once I got to 10 4-doors that were in the 11s and 12s..... What do we have 2 confirmed Maximas in the 11s and 12s???I am by no way saying that 11s and 12s is a norm. I just wanted insight on why there arent more MAXs going this fast.
I think we have pretty much hit all the points why we havent seen faster Maximas yet. Number One being the money...for the money it isnt worth it to hook up the Maxima to go for 11s is what the concensus seems to be.
06-26-2003 | 06:15 PM
#74
It's a heck of a lot easier when the car comes supercharged from the factory. We have to spend $4K just to be on even ground to start with.
Originally posted by luckee2bhere
GTP... ....I stopped counting once I got to 10 4-doors that were in the 11s and 12s..... What do we have 2 confirmed Maximas in the 11s and 12s???
I am by no way saying that 11s and 12s is a norm. I just wanted insight on why there arent more MAXs going this fast.
I think we have pretty much hit all the points why we havent seen faster Maximas yet. Number One being the money...for the money it isnt worth it to hook up the Maxima to go for 11s is what the concensus seems to be.
GTP...
....I stopped counting once I got to 10 4-doors that were in the 11s and 12s..... What do we have 2 confirmed Maximas in the 11s and 12s???I am by no way saying that 11s and 12s is a norm. I just wanted insight on why there arent more MAXs going this fast.
I think we have pretty much hit all the points why we havent seen faster Maximas yet. Number One being the money...for the money it isnt worth it to hook up the Maxima to go for 11s is what the concensus seems to be.
j/k
06-26-2003 | 09:46 PM
#76
Originally posted by Shadow
It's a heck of a lot easier when the car comes supercharged from the factory. We have to spend $4K just to be on even ground to start with.
It's a heck of a lot easier when the car comes supercharged from the factory. We have to spend $4K just to be on even ground to start with.
06-27-2003 | 10:21 AM
#77
I personally know of a supercharged 5th gen here in Miami (one of just two) that is in the 12's. He's never been to the track, but I figured he was since he takes Vettes and some aftermarket Supras (prolly just BPU++, but who cares) on the highway like it's nobody's business. And that's without the 50 shot. That's plenty fast for me. If I ever get my Max to that level, I'll be satisfied.
That's plenty fast for me. If I ever get my Max to that level, I'll be satisfied.
06-27-2003 | 11:07 AM
#79
Originally posted by IwANnAMaX96
I personally know of a supercharged 5th gen here in Miami (one of just two) that is in the 12's. He's never been to the track, but I figured he was since he takes Vettes and some aftermarket Supras (prolly just BPU++, but who cares) on the highway like it's nobody's business. And that's without the 50 shot. That's plenty fast for me. If I ever get my Max to that level, I'll be satisfied.
I personally know of a supercharged 5th gen here in Miami (one of just two) that is in the 12's. He's never been to the track, but I figured he was since he takes Vettes and some aftermarket Supras (prolly just BPU++, but who cares) on the highway like it's nobody's business. And that's without the 50 shot.
That's plenty fast for me. If I ever get my Max to that level, I'll be satisfied.
06-27-2003 | 11:24 AM
#80
Originally posted by SprintMax
Dyno Base Vettes are putting 350 HP to the flywheel. Once you see his dyno chart, it won't seem so farfetched. Btw second chart is with a 30 shot, he has since upgraded to 60+. And as for the supras, maybe I put one too many +'s, but he wins more than he loses againt them. Don't believe if you don't wanna. I'll be able to sleep tonite regardless.
