A Case Against Debadging
12-14-2003, 04:49 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by dmontzmax
I am...I never get rid of cars I put blood, sweat and tears in to, it would be too hard. I have no reason to ever give up any of my cars, if I want more power I will build the crap out of them, it is much cheaper than buying a new car. Next I will have a truck or some kind of super car, 3zTT, 5.0, or 240.
12-14-2003, 05:18 PM
#42
i think this is a matter of taste and opinion, as some have said on here. i do not think it is "sacrosanct" to stay OEM. for any car, except for extremely limited examples like the Tucker, if the owner so sees it to change the car, then it is well within entitlements to do such a thing. unfortunately, many people lack the acumen to judge properly what to remove and how: "tastelessness."
if you keep the OEM parts while modding, then there is little to worry about for posterity - you are covered if you end up, for some reason, holding the car for the duration of your lifetime. to pass it down, perhaps, is the aim of some here. if such is the case, one could find a decent used gen of their preference, stock, and park it under a secure state of preservation. we never know what will become collectible for sure, as some models off the expected path can suddenly become hot items decades down the line. cars tend to go from junk to classics suddenly, often without warning. some people are already restoring their 2nd gen maximas, as i have seen this happening on the 2nd gen boards as well as 2nd gen specific member sites. in the world of car restoration, this is called "special interest autos." the maxima falls under that category fully. (a 1957 belair is a "collectible classic," whereas a 1963 plymouth savoy 4dr, in mint condition, is a "special interest auto").
keep the badges in a shoebox.
if you keep the OEM parts while modding, then there is little to worry about for posterity - you are covered if you end up, for some reason, holding the car for the duration of your lifetime. to pass it down, perhaps, is the aim of some here. if such is the case, one could find a decent used gen of their preference, stock, and park it under a secure state of preservation. we never know what will become collectible for sure, as some models off the expected path can suddenly become hot items decades down the line. cars tend to go from junk to classics suddenly, often without warning. some people are already restoring their 2nd gen maximas, as i have seen this happening on the 2nd gen boards as well as 2nd gen specific member sites. in the world of car restoration, this is called "special interest autos." the maxima falls under that category fully. (a 1957 belair is a "collectible classic," whereas a 1963 plymouth savoy 4dr, in mint condition, is a "special interest auto").
keep the badges in a shoebox.
12-14-2003, 08:38 PM
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As one of the "older folks", I appreciated the '50's and 60's customs of builders like George Barris and still do 50 years later. De-chroming and sealing seams with lead along with "Frenched" headlights and custom grills of these "Lead Sleds" are as popular today as they were in the 50's.
If you doubt this just check out your local rod and custom show or the Woodward Avenue Dream Cruise and like events.
Stock isn't for everybody and the import car customizing of today will still be as popular with todays young people in 50 years as it is today, including the missing badges and name plates.
BTW, I removed the Nissan badge and MAXIMA logo from my 96' Maxima shortly after buying in new. As I've done with several other of my past cars. I do hold on to them for re-installation.
-Mark
If you doubt this just check out your local rod and custom show or the Woodward Avenue Dream Cruise and like events.
Stock isn't for everybody and the import car customizing of today will still be as popular with todays young people in 50 years as it is today, including the missing badges and name plates.
BTW, I removed the Nissan badge and MAXIMA logo from my 96' Maxima shortly after buying in new. As I've done with several other of my past cars. I do hold on to them for re-installation.
-Mark
12-14-2003, 09:06 PM
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i really like customized old cars, or atleast improved. If a old chevelle 454 has low compression, and a carb vacuum problem... wouldnt you fix that (they do have those issues) so if someone thinks the nissan logo on the back of their maxima is ugly...take it off. the 4th gen is better off without the nissan on the tail
12-14-2003, 09:12 PM
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From this thread it looks like almost everyone has their own point of view. My dad had a 67' firebird 400 back in his day and all his friends had other american muscle cars. He likes the idea that i'm taking care of my car and making it my own, but if i were to talk to him like my car is gonna be looked at in the way his and other american cars are now, he'd probably laugh and he knows how great maximas are. The japanese brought a lot to the car scene in america and the way you can mod the hell out of these things is one of them. Even though i don't like ricers...its a huge part of this generation whether we like it or not. And i don't see how you can rice out a firebird or a mustang as easily as you could with a honda. Things change and the way i see it, in the future a lot of people will look back at these cars for what was done to them (whether its rice or not, but hopefully rice won't be looked at like its beautiful 
), and what they could handle performance wise, everyone knows how much the VQ's can take. Though i do think its possible that the maxima will be looked back on from what a great sedan it was stock compared to others. But that might be more commercial than anything else, the public will be pictureing how much work people put into the cars. Maybe not, but i guess its just hard for me to look at the maxima like how my dad misses all those muscle cars, because i love those things too.
- deX
), and what they could handle performance wise, everyone knows how much the VQ's can take. Though i do think its possible that the maxima will be looked back on from what a great sedan it was stock compared to others. But that might be more commercial than anything else, the public will be pictureing how much work people put into the cars. Maybe not, but i guess its just hard for me to look at the maxima like how my dad misses all those muscle cars, because i love those things too.- deX
12-15-2003, 06:30 PM
#51
personally, i don't care where my car is in 50 years. i'll probably be dead by then 
when that happens, i don't give a fark if some schmoe is complaining out his **** that he can't restore my car cuz he can't find oem parts.
when that happens, i don't give a fark if some schmoe is complaining out his **** that he can't restore my car cuz he can't find oem parts.
12-17-2003, 02:56 PM
#53
Originally Posted by dmontzmax
What do you have in your Galaxie?
Actually I dont think they used a 383, they used a 390 FE or the 427 FE. The 390 is a LIGHT big block that is a monster, the 427 is even stronger I think it was around 400-475hp stock with over 500tq. If you are lucky enough to own a 427 cammer those bad boys were around 785hp STOCK and the same tq DOHC V8 that started it all.
Actually I dont think they used a 383, they used a 390 FE or the 427 FE. The 390 is a LIGHT big block that is a monster, the 427 is even stronger I think it was around 400-475hp stock with over 500tq. If you are lucky enough to own a 427 cammer
those bad boys were around 785hp STOCK and the same tq DOHC V8 that started it all.
12-17-2003, 03:11 PM
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My 1970's built NEC TV in the garage wouldn't look the same without all my badges stuck to it.
I have the Cefiro/maxima it looks alot sleeker with no badges, plus as was mentioned before, the maxima will never be a collector car. Not here in oz anyway, just saw a 99 top of the line maxima/cefiro, leather, wood grain, tv, roof all factory fitted with 58000km for AUD$11800.
I have the Cefiro/maxima it looks alot sleeker with no badges, plus as was mentioned before, the maxima will never be a collector car. Not here in oz anyway, just saw a 99 top of the line maxima/cefiro, leather, wood grain, tv, roof all factory fitted with 58000km for AUD$11800.
12-17-2003, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt93SE
I couldn't remember the exact numbers on the big engines.. Dad's has a 289 in it. Hasn't done much to it.. TRW Pistons, Crane street cam, Holley 750ish carb. he just wanted a cruiser.. but he's got all the original parts to go with the car.. spare tranny, three or four boxes of trim pieces that he got form junkyards, etc etc etc.
but yeah, the 309 and 427s were the bigger engines in them.. they were monsters... but the fun part is that you can build a 289 that will destroy them at shorter races. the 289 can run taller gearing and run to about 7k rpm, so shorter stoplight races were better in the 289.. A similarly prepped car with a 427 took until just before the quarter to catch up to the 289. they'd win by just a few hundredths most of the time.
(Dad used to race a '66 Fairlane with a built 289 in it.. little sucker would RUN. )
but yeah, the 309 and 427s were the bigger engines in them.. they were monsters... but the fun part is that you can build a 289 that will destroy them at shorter races. the 289 can run taller gearing and run to about 7k rpm, so shorter stoplight races were better in the 289.. A similarly prepped car with a 427 took until just before the quarter to catch up to the 289. they'd win by just a few hundredths most of the time.
(Dad used to race a '66 Fairlane with a built 289 in it.. little sucker would RUN.
)FORD: 1963 Galaxie fastback 2-dr hardtop, 406 tri-power, 4-spd, red bench seat, restored rust-free body, none nicer, $34,900. 570-837-0487, PA; www.villageservice.com
Category: Collector Date Posted: 11/24/03
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GALAXIE: 1963-1/2 fastback, very solid body in primer, bumpers and moldings, etc already removed in prep for paint, good bench interior, tired 352, auto, hard to find a clean easy project like this, $3,500. Alex Takessian, 619-298-9801 days, FAX: 619-298-9808, CA; e-mail: fordllord@aol.com (ford "llord")
Category: Collector Date Posted: 11/24/03
12-17-2003, 11:12 PM
#57
Originally Posted by asu174
Personally, I think debadging is retarded. Guys who debadge their cars are the same people who put stickers all over their fenders.
Some cars look okay debadged. The Maxima is not one of them.
Some cars look okay debadged. The Maxima is not one of them.
I debadged mine... still have everything
I like it... do I care if my car is woth 10gs in 30 years?? uhhmmm not as long as it sits in my garage....
will I forget my Maxima is a Maxima because I took off the emblems?? nope...
if I buy a limited production vehicle... yea I'd keep it as it is... but in 30 years seeing a Maxima around will be like seeing just an old..... old..... family sedan
12-17-2003, 11:30 PM
#58
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
As I've said before, the 510, 240z are already collectors and are worh more totally stock now. The early Subarus are worth a TON in Japan now. The Mazda R100s and 1st Cosmos are worth alot in Japan.
My buddy sold his 1976 Kawasaki 1000 for about $10 grand in Japan because they used that bike is some cult manga over there.
My buddy sold his 1976 Kawasaki 1000 for about $10 grand in Japan because they used that bike is some cult manga over there.
I totally agree, I would like to get a hold of an old datsun someday.
12-18-2003, 11:15 AM
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if you realize there's going to be a market for OEM stuff, you should start buying them up. Then you can "will" them to your grandkids, who will become billionaires when the hoardes of Max restorers need the badges 50 years from now....
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