MSDS Headers?
03-22-2001, 01:31 PM
#1
Not DAVEB the parts guy
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A company out in Cali is making making headers for the 300ZX, 240, Porsche 928, BMW 3 series, Contour and Cougar to name a few. Thier headers look pretty high quality.
IF they make headers for the Cougar/Contour don't you think they could possibly make them for the VQ and VE? They headers for the Contour go for about $600. I still wonder about the clearance issues. They quote 14% on the dyno. The Maxima VQ y-pipe is good for an honest 7% increase in power. I've always wondered how much power truely in tied up in the manifolds or if much restrictive is in the Y-pipe. Has anyone contacted these guys?
www.msdsinc.com
Dave
IF they make headers for the Cougar/Contour don't you think they could possibly make them for the VQ and VE? They headers for the Contour go for about $600. I still wonder about the clearance issues. They quote 14% on the dyno. The Maxima VQ y-pipe is good for an honest 7% increase in power. I've always wondered how much power truely in tied up in the manifolds or if much restrictive is in the Y-pipe. Has anyone contacted these guys?
www.msdsinc.com
Dave
03-22-2001, 05:26 PM
#4
Originally posted by skimax
i might be interested in giving my car up for proto since i'm only like 10min from them and hopefully recieve nice discount. but would NA max be better?
i might be interested in giving my car up for proto since i'm only like 10min from them and hopefully recieve nice discount. but would NA max be better?
03-24-2001, 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by Turbo95Max
sounds good. Since Steve juss volunteered his Max for prototyping then maybe someone should contact them and see what they say first.
sounds good. Since Steve juss volunteered his Max for prototyping then maybe someone should contact them and see what they say first.
Hi Eddie,
I will discuss this Maxima header idea with my techs here at the shop. We developed a very strong shorty header set for an internet group of Cougar/ Contour guys (gals) with the 2.5 V6 engine. The headers combined with an intake and cat-back make approx +31 hp.
What is the web address of the Maxima board ? We shall see.... thank you, msdsinc.
forgot to mention, +31 horses from a NA 2.5L V6? wow.
03-24-2001, 04:48 PM
#7
Originally posted by 95greense
got an e-mail from these guys and they said that they're gonna check out maxima.org to gauge interest in headers i'm assuming. here's the email.
Hi Eddie,
I will discuss this Maxima header idea with my techs here at the shop. We developed a very strong shorty header set for an internet group of Cougar/ Contour guys (gals) with the 2.5 V6 engine. The headers combined with an intake and cat-back make approx +31 hp.
What is the web address of the Maxima board ? We shall see.... thank you, msdsinc.
got an e-mail from these guys and they said that they're gonna check out maxima.org to gauge interest in headers i'm assuming. here's the email.
Hi Eddie,
I will discuss this Maxima header idea with my techs here at the shop. We developed a very strong shorty header set for an internet group of Cougar/ Contour guys (gals) with the 2.5 V6 engine. The headers combined with an intake and cat-back make approx +31 hp.
What is the web address of the Maxima board ? We shall see.... thank you, msdsinc.
03-24-2001, 04:58 PM
#8
If you look at the market that companies have for aftermarket Honda header's, you can see it's huge, with many companies involved. I think the interest for Max headers is definetly out there and just waiting for a company like this to step up to the plate. I know I would buy... oh yeah, thanx dave in texas, I think he got a lot of this started... 
03-24-2001, 07:11 PM
#11
Dave in Kansas City
Don in Texas
two different header projects
Don in Texas
two different header projects
Originally posted by mtrai760
If you look at the market that companies have for aftermarket Honda header's, you can see it's huge, with many companies involved. I think the interest for Max headers is definetly out there and just waiting for a company like this to step up to the plate. I know I would buy... oh yeah, thanx dave in texas, I think he got a lot of this started...
If you look at the market that companies have for aftermarket Honda header's, you can see it's huge, with many companies involved. I think the interest for Max headers is definetly out there and just waiting for a company like this to step up to the plate. I know I would buy... oh yeah, thanx dave in texas, I think he got a lot of this started...
03-24-2001, 07:49 PM
#14
Originally posted by I30CeFiRo
For that much HP increase I'd pay $600 for high quality headers. Wouldn't the HP increase be more because our engine is bigger than the cougars?
For that much HP increase I'd pay $600 for high quality headers. Wouldn't the HP increase be more because our engine is bigger than the cougars?
Any gains would be dependant on how restrictive our headers are now. If the cougar had a more restrictive design, then he would see a greater HP increase. I'm sure the cast iron monsters we have can't be much better though...
03-24-2001, 08:12 PM
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i'm in for headers whenever they are made
i don't know who read my cattman post on the 5th gen forum, but they told me they are planning on making headers for us sometime in the near future and they need a prototype...they will give the headers to the prototype for about $900 and everyone else it will be like $1200-1300...they claim about 25hp from them and the prototype will need to have the car over at cattman for a week w/ their engine lifted out...i think this is way too expensive, but remember, cattman always uses 304(?) stainless which is always much more reliable but much more expensive...that is why they say the headers will be so expensive...and they won't consider doing them with a different material...they said they only use stainless steel...i'm not going to be the prototype because i'd rather keep my car for a week and pay $300 more
i don't know who read my cattman post on the 5th gen forum, but they told me they are planning on making headers for us sometime in the near future and they need a prototype...they will give the headers to the prototype for about $900 and everyone else it will be like $1200-1300...they claim about 25hp from them and the prototype will need to have the car over at cattman for a week w/ their engine lifted out...i think this is way too expensive, but remember, cattman always uses 304(?) stainless which is always much more reliable but much more expensive...that is why they say the headers will be so expensive...and they won't consider doing them with a different material...they said they only use stainless steel...i'm not going to be the prototype because i'd rather keep my car for a week and pay $300 more
03-24-2001, 11:57 PM
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Honestly, the SVT Contour guys are seeing about 14 fwhp and tq gained with these headers. Considering this is on a smaller displacement motor, we should possibly see slightly better gains in hp and a quite a bit more in torque due to displacement. 14hp and tq to the wheels is much better than the y-pipe alone, which makes me interested. If these guys could introduce these headers into the market at $600, I think they will easily sell. Lots of us could go for $600 vs $1200.
The question is, is there enough room in the engine bay to fit these things in? The Contour V6 is damn tight, so I assume they could probably make something work.
Dave
The question is, is there enough room in the engine bay to fit these things in? The Contour V6 is damn tight, so I assume they could probably make something work.
Dave
03-25-2001, 07:19 AM
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I would get the set right now if it was $600 (I agree) n/m
Originally posted by Dave B
Honestly, the SVT Contour guys are seeing about 14 fwhp and tq gained with these headers. Considering this is on a smaller displacement motor, we should possibly see slightly better gains in hp and a quite a bit more in torque due to displacement. 14hp and tq to the wheels is much better than the y-pipe alone, which makes me interested. If these guys could introduce these headers into the market at $600, I think they will easily sell. Lots of us could go for $600 vs $1200.
The question is, is there enough room in the engine bay to fit these things in? The Contour V6 is damn tight, so I assume they could probably make something work.
Dave
Honestly, the SVT Contour guys are seeing about 14 fwhp and tq gained with these headers. Considering this is on a smaller displacement motor, we should possibly see slightly better gains in hp and a quite a bit more in torque due to displacement. 14hp and tq to the wheels is much better than the y-pipe alone, which makes me interested. If these guys could introduce these headers into the market at $600, I think they will easily sell. Lots of us could go for $600 vs $1200.
The question is, is there enough room in the engine bay to fit these things in? The Contour V6 is damn tight, so I assume they could probably make something work.
Dave
03-25-2001, 01:20 PM
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I would be interested in getting headers. $600 sounds pretty decent. Cheaper would always be good. What kind of materials. I'm lazy so i didnt read the whole thread. Sorry. 
Let's try and support this. I know i want headers and some extra power. I think we all would too.
Let's try and support this. I know i want headers and some extra power. I think we all would too.
03-25-2001, 01:43 PM
#22
ok, well i forgot to mention i have a 4th gen...also...
you guys should check out some other v6 platforms...the acura cl's and tl's, the legends, the accord v6's all pay near 1000 for their headers...the only company i know of that makes them is comptech. they do excellent work, but still, if we could get production-made headers for under a grand, we would be sitting very pretty.
casey
you guys should check out some other v6 platforms...the acura cl's and tl's, the legends, the accord v6's all pay near 1000 for their headers...the only company i know of that makes them is comptech. they do excellent work, but still, if we could get production-made headers for under a grand, we would be sitting very pretty.
casey
03-25-2001, 08:16 PM
#26
Re: i would buy
Originally posted by matt calder
i would buy headers for $600. especially for the amount of power that they will give. that would be really great if they made these. i have a 99
i would buy headers for $600. especially for the amount of power that they will give. that would be really great if they made these. i have a 99
03-25-2001, 11:01 PM
#30
Where is MSDS located?? I would definetly volunteer my car is there around San Diego/ Orange county area. WE NEED HEADERS. $600 would be a sweet deal compared to what some of those other guys are paying for Comptech stuff. "If you build it, they will buy"
03-26-2001, 06:34 AM
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which is about 40 minutes away from me, but hell i'd drive that and prototype for 5th gens. MAKE MY HEADERS PLEASE. =)
I have no other exhaust mods so far, so maybe i would make a good proto? dunno. gonna give these guys a call today.
I have no other exhaust mods so far, so maybe i would make a good proto? dunno. gonna give these guys a call today.
Originally posted by mtrai760
Where is MSDS located?? I would definetly volunteer my car is there around San Diego/ Orange county area. WE NEED HEADERS. $600 would be a sweet deal compared to what some of those other guys are paying for Comptech stuff. "If you build it, they will buy"
Where is MSDS located?? I would definetly volunteer my car is there around San Diego/ Orange county area. WE NEED HEADERS. $600 would be a sweet deal compared to what some of those other guys are paying for Comptech stuff. "If you build it, they will buy"
03-26-2001, 07:24 AM
#32
$600 for headers, hell yeah!!
I mean people pay around 500 for exhaust and that doesn't give that much HP. So $600 for something that we know is going to give more power is a definate.
I mean look at the Y-pipes, they give more power and just about everyone here has one or plans to get one.
I mean people pay around 500 for exhaust and that doesn't give that much HP. So $600 for something that we know is going to give more power is a definate.
I mean look at the Y-pipes, they give more power and just about everyone here has one or plans to get one.
03-26-2001, 09:13 AM
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Yes, yes yes!!!!
Maxima's are out there in large numbers. Build these headers with good quality and nice price and we'll all want headers. Get the price around $600 but make sure its definitely under a thousand. MSDS if you're out there start with a group deal for the first round and watch how quickly these headers will sell. Me personally I'm ready to go for $600 right now! Spring is here, and summer is fast approaching.
BUILD THESE HEADERS.... pretty please!
BUILD THESE HEADERS.... pretty please!
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