this is not a racing thread moderators
ok i have a question 4th and 3rg gen with similar mods intake, y-pipe who would win both auto's i know 4th gens lost the variable timing the 3rd gens have but 4th have more torque so who would win and why is it that for the 3rd gen there is one with 160 hp engine and one with a 190hp engine

 

the 3rd gen with the vg would get slaughtered. the more powerful 3rd gen you're thinking of is the 92-94 SE model with the VE30DE engine with the vtc system - they are quick beasts.

 

why Auto's?



5spds have a Power Valve too

 

3rd gen VE autos... might be a dead heat, but 5spd with same mods would kill you, even if the person sucked at the clutch...

Just because your car is newer doesnt mean that it is better

Brian

 

on several occassions i've owned VQ 5spds who at the time were similarly modded. hell i even took a brand new G35 sedan auto with clutch slip on hard shifts and mostly blown rear piston rings...stock for stock i've taken VQ autos with no problem, and hung with one VQ 5spd that was stock (i've only run into 1 stock VQ 5spd). the problem with most VEs is that they're beat to death so obviously a newer VQ would take it without much trouble, 5spd or auto.
then there are some of us who are slightly faster than everyone expects. it takes alot to make a VG auto fast, just as much for a VG 5spd. i'm not knocking them in the least but i see alot of potential for power past the basic bolt ons with those motors and no one really seems to do it (nevin comes to mind, for those of you who remember him) with the exception of the turbo guys.

all in all if you're racing an auto, chances are its in worse shape than your VQ auto so take that into consideration.

 

you're not racing, but you're asking which would win?

 

IBTL

 

VG auto will own all year Maximas....fastest production Maxima EVAR!

 

I took on two VQ's on a highway roll and slaughtered them. One had a full catback exhaust and headers and the other was stock. Both were 5 speeds. I love my VG. I'll love it even more if it were true.

 

no im not its an argument at work with this dude that has an auto also (why Auto's?) he keeps saying he can slaughter me well im just asking not sure if he has a ve or vg will pop his hood soon though so im not racing oh and mine is a 94 1/2 so might be faster than latter 4th gens as peps say on here

 

www.car-stats.com

look at the factory performance numbers.. auto VG is a 17 second car. auto VQ is a low 16 sec car.

 

I've taken many 4th gens out on the highway easily with my modded VE 5-speed. On turns also, 4th gens can't hang.

 

get a ve 3rd gen and vq 4th gen on a road course, and I bet the ve will whoop its ***

 

you know it boyeeeeeeeeee!!

 

Oh brother...here we go again with the VE guys feeling they have something to prove. Small *****??

 

and what is it that we have to prove?

 

not sure :dunno:

the favorite gen polls always seem to end with 3rd gens on top though.

 

Read posts # 12 and 13 ask them. Their posts don't answer the original poster's question. They went out of their way to try to prove the 3rd gens superiority. Hey i like all maximas, it just seems like they have a bit of a inferiority complex thing going on. I'm comfortable with the 4th gen's place in the hierarchy.

 

And yours did???

 

Your's didn't either. I was only clarifying post # 15. What's your point?

 

But I didn't go around accusing people that their replies didn't answer the question now did I?? Nor did I go around and take cheap shots at the 3-genners either.

 

thats very true. its sad some people need to go out of their way to prove something is better when it should be a well-known fact

i'm just kidding by the way.

to each his own...and if his own happens to be slower than mine, so be it.

 

They were simply saying that your beam is inferior to our IRS and to watch out because if that straight line gets twisty you dont stand a chance, thats all. Think of it as friendly advice

 

VG --> <-- all others

 

I give much respect to the VG, that thing will run forever. VE top end is great. I've driven 4th gens and 5.5 gens and nothing compares to the VE at top end, even the owner of those vehicles won't argue with me.

 

well said

 

Hmmmm...let's NOT get into an "aftermarket tuning potential" discussion. I respect you guys too much.

 

For the sake of the 4-gens, we won't. sound okay?

 

i will take you up on that offer lol

 

VE auto's are dogs, I have seen VG autos out run them from a stop. A 4th gen auto will not have a problem with a VE auto or VG auto, it will kill them off the line especially the VE auto and have a nice lead. Now manual to manual the VE and VQ are close low end advantage VQ "high" top end VE, they both run similiar times

 

Odd as the Ve has the same auto tranny as the 4-gens

 

you just defined the VG auto's strengths. if guys were still around that could attest to this... i ran redmaxpa007 many times from a stop and have run against 4th gens at the track (Cutlr7 witnessed a bunch of these). the launch is where the VG wins handily between a VE and a VQ. now after that first 5 seconds...we all know where it goes from there

 

Same tranny but VE autos just dont move out like VG auto's, they have just about the same amount of torque 182l/b vs 190l/b but the VG auto torque comes in down low unlike the VE. Plus the VE is slightly heavier.

 

I agree, from my experience the VG auto launches pretty quick much better than any VE auto I have been in including my old 93 SE auto. My wife"car enthusiast" nor I just did'nt like its low end (we are stop light runners) so we sold it and kept the 89 that I have had since new and it still runs like a champ.

 

do you understand the concept of our VTC's and seen some VE Dynos?

1 VE Auto != all VE autos and VE 5spds

My car has plenty of low end and even more highend. My Dad's 2000 SE 5spd feels like it has more lowend, but it's a dog past 3-4000rpm. Some of it has to do with my flywheel, but still overall, the VE is a much more fun car to drive.

 

cmon guys/ cant we all just get along??? or to settle this, why dont we all meet up at a track and race it out???

 

Humm no donald? wierd..

 

ive driven both, VQ would get it off the line but the VE would play catch up fairly quickly, now if you wanna talk a real race like a 4th and 3rd gen 5speed then its hard to say again ive driven both and my a$$ dyno says its any mans (or womans) game....but on a road course the 4th gen just cant stand ground

 

third gens rule!!!! :attention

 

Very much so VE auto's is a totally different animal than the manual. Had a VE did'nt care for it love the underpowered VG although.