MaxPerformanceSE

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I was in Texas a month ago and talked with this guy who owns a CRX. He told me he did an SI engine swap and is also running on NOS. He says he has never lost to a race before and then talked about his Maxima kill. There were 5 people in the Maxima and he was the only person in the CRX. In his own words the kill was "effortless". I'm not a street racing expert but I think it's BS. What do you think?

BTW he doesn't know about that I have a Maxima. I just sat and listened to his story.

Jeff92se

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These what would beat what is ridiculas.

Bottom line is in real life anything can beat anything. There are so many factors like driver skill it's impossible to speculate over the internet.

Sprint

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I know an All Motor CRX running 13.9 .. so you guys with NOS how much it would be running.. and looking at your mods.. you are no where near 13.9 much less with the person juicing

hawkdog

I beat a Integra GSR with NOS the other day. I would think that's faster than a CRX...

Sprint

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keyword is you think

go find out the weight of a CRX and the weight of a GSR... then come back to me and tell me what you found

SCCA Solo2

First: a 13.90 sec CRX is typically a 88-89 HF with a B16A in it. There's not many 13sec CRX Si's with B16, stock or even with I/H/E. It's possible, but, not likely.

It really depends on the car the guy has.

'88 CRX HF is 1800lbs, '88 Si being 2000lbs
'91 CRX HF is 2000lbs, '91 Si being 2200lbs

The Si (D16A) motor is a 108hp motor. Yank out the motor from a HF and drop a D16, and you got a 15sec car, easily.
If it's a B16A (DOHC VTEC 1.6, 160hp), then it's possible to run 13s, but more likely 14s.

There's a .5 sec difference between 1800lbs and 2000lbs when it deals with CRXs. Plus, toss in nitrous and you got a very tough competitor.

But, 7 times out of 10, the B16A CRX owner doesn't have A/C...so, laugh your way home in your A/Ced Max when he beats you.

My 4DSC

Question: Can a B16A2 powered CRX on Nitrous beat a Max?
Answer: YES....VERY, VERY EASILY.

That CRX can EASILY be a 12 second car.

hawkdog

I said "I THINK" because i wasn't sure. Well, now I am. Thanks for making me check.

1998 Integra GSR

Curb Weight - 2665 lbs
HP - 170
Power/Weight = .0637
Ok, now lets add 50 hp for the NOS
Power/Weight = .0825

1990 CRX SI

Curb Weight - 2000 lbs
HP - 108
Power/Weight = .054
Again, adding 50 HP...
Power/Weight = .079

Yes, the GSR is faster.

Sprint

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no no back up buddy..

first off the CRX has an SI motor 160 hp.. then add NOS

and the HF as mentioned before weights 1800 lbs

Phil02E46

not to really jump in with this whole argument, but a crx with the dohc vtec si with nos will destroy a maxima.. even if the guy can't drive he will spank a normally modded maxima.. i have seen what engine swaps in little cars can do, and the maxima needs lots of work to keep up with the aftermath of a nicely built honda..

i say do it, but don't say we didn't warn u when he puts car LENGTHS on you..

Mugen13

there is a girl @ texasimports.net, that has a 88hf w/ a base integra engine(the 140hp one) and she ran a 13.9x w/ full interior and street tires. I'm guessing that guy has a b16a(most common for the crx), that is a quick car. Plus NOS, i think you will lost unless you have a s/c.

She told me that her 88 Hf w/ full interior is 1600lbs.

JoesMAX

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saying he has an si motor in it isnt descriptive enough... i know the older Si's didnt have the v-tec with 160hp they were a lot lower... my friends brother had a nice modded 93 si hatchback and he said stock was only around 110 or somethin... either way its a light car and with nos it will move but which si motor it has will make a difference

hawkdog

Since when are we talking about the New Civic Si motor??? I thought we were talking CRX's here.

Synki

a CRX with NOS will tear a Maxima (stock or even slightly modded). I dont like to stand up for Honda guys but modded CRX's are fuc*ing fast. Unless you are breathing a big shot of gas or bossted then i wouldnt try. CRX are very popular with motor swaps. It's cheap and easy and fast. Simple.

E-Town, a gray POS CRX w/ GSR motor swap, I/H/E and a 60 shot with slicks has been running 11.9's all the time i see him. They are light, very light, and driven with the right mods and they are gone.

Sprint

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then i suggest you read the original post

JoesMAX

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hawk it says the crx has an Si motor swap

hawkdog

I don't know how honda numbers their engines...all I know is it said you were replacing a CRX HF engine with an Si Engine....I just assumed it was a CRX Si engine...a little misunderstanding I guess..

Sprint

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No harm no foul

hawkdog

those new Civic Si engines can really fly...my buddy put a turbo on his and he could really kick my ***...and that was in a new civic body...not even the 2000 lb CRX

sleeper

i seen a crx with nitrous do a 13.0 at atco. i don't know what his set-up was. a 1999 civic si(b16a) with a vortech supercharger kit, and fuel management upgrades can have 272 horsepower at the wheels. not bad for a 4 cylinder. that would be a blast to beat a mustang with that thing. ha

SCCA Solo2

to make it known to everyone who doesn't know

When the honda community is speaking of a Si motor in regards to CRX, they are talking about the D16A (non-vtec sohc 1.6L 108hp).
To the 92-95 (EG) civic guys are talking about the Si motor, it can be the D16Z (vtec sohc 1.6L 130hpish) or the B16A4? (same motor in the 99-00 Civic Si, dohc vtec 1.6L 160hp).

I'm pretty sure the CRX guy has the JDM B16A CRX SiR motor. It has the same output as the Civic Si motor, but, isn't OBD-II, that's why it's easier to put it into a CRX.

In otherwords...
A B16A powered 90-91 CRX Si with bolt-ons will do high 14s to low 15s
A B16A powered 88-89 CRX Si with the same will do mid-high 14s
A B16A powered CRX HF with bolt-ons will do low-high 14s, depending on year (newer it is, slower it will be).

Add a 50shot of nitrous and you got a car that's doing half a second faster.

A BPU Maxima 5spd 4th/5th gen will be mid-high 14s.

I say the CRX wins. The CRX will get the holeshot and keep powering through the top-end with his nitrous...unless he blows his motor.

Loren00Miata

I have personnally seen a 100% stock CRX Si run a 15.7 with just taking the muffler section off. If it was a DX, it weighs 100 lbs less than an Si. If it was an HF, then 200 lbs less. An HF with a D16 motor and bolt-ons could easily run with a VQ 5-speed. Typically the Honda NOS kits are around a 40 shot. A Max hampered with the additional weight would simple not have a chance.

My 90 CRX Si(now sold) weighed only 2175 lbs. My Max by contrast is at around 3100 lbs. Suppose each person weighed 175 lbs then the functional weights would be 2250 lbs and 3975 respectively. A NA VQ with every possible bolt-on will put out around 190 hp at the wheels or 230 hp at the flywheel. Shing's CRX Si with just an intake, header and exhaust dynoed 110 hp at the wheels or about 130 hp at the flywheel. Add the 40 shot and that is 170 hp.

3975 lbs/230 hp = 17.28 lbs/hp
2250 lbs/170 hp = 13.24 lbs/hp

In this case the CRX has about a 25% power to weight advantage. In this case, the Max would need about 300 hp just to keep up.

SCCA Solo2

Good math

Actually.... 15.20lbs/hp for the maxima (at 222hp and 3375lbs)
CRX at 14.06lbs/hp. (160hp and 2250lbs)

To the original poster: find out what engine he had, then we can give you a more accurate "who will win" post. Ask if it's a D16A (108hp), D16Z (130hp), B16A (160hp)

PeelBoy

Uhh.. Yeah. That would be Janice.

She has a striped 88HF w/ B18.

Go to www.crxgurl.com

Sprint

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and don't forget Slicks

MaxPerformanceSE

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He didn't give me the specific details. He told me he had an Si motor but when I asked him how many shots of NOS he's using he changed the subject. The chances of seeing the guy with the CRX is very slim and it was my fault because I should've asked him which motor was used. At the time I was thinking that he used the B16A. I just realized there are other Si motors. He also said his victories was contributed to the lightweight of the car and that part I believed.


In my first post I said that the CRX victory was BS. After reading the replies I now understand that it has the capabilities to kick the Maxima's a$$.

How long does it take to do an engine swap? The guy said it took him 3 weeks. Does it take that long?

PeelBoy

I don't believe she ran with slicks?

I'll ask her..

I don't think she even has any slicks at all..

PeelBoy

Just about any car can beat a Maxima that has 5 people in it lol.. Specially if any of them are heavy..

SCCA Solo2

Took me 9hrs with a 1.5hr break. I had handtools and a cherry-picker (you can just lift the front of the CRX over the engine/tranny and push it backwards, so you don't REALLY need a cherry picker. CRXs are the EASIEST car to do a swap on. The only problems are wiring.

If he didn't have fundage or didn't know what axles/alternator/etc to use, he'll have some problems, but, not 3 weeks worth... he was just lazy.