1st - very sorry this happened and im glad you are ok
2nd - i understand you are 16 and a beginning driver and everyone makes mistakes, but bottom line is you were driving to fast (especially considering the conditions). you should always think about the condition of your tires when you make even semi-aggresive manuevers (especially in turns) since they are the single most important aspect of your ability to maintain control. a more mature/safe approach in the future is to drive at or slower than the speed limit in those conditions.
3rd - Mr. Duck, come on - i know you are smarter than that. of course you can get a ticket for going to slow, but not in dark/foggy/rainy-whatever type of conditions. that is the smart and safe way to drive in those conditions and a cop would never give you a ticket for that. that comment makes no sense in this context.

again, im very glad you are ok - not pointing fingers at all. just be careful at nite and in hard to see conditions.

 

What are you a ******* moron? Your stupidity in this post is astounding! I rue the day you have children and teach them how to drive.

Take for instance it is snowing out, or there is black ice. The posted speed limit is 45mph around a curve. There is 8 inches of snow on the ground. Do you obey the speed LIMIT sign and crash, or take the turn a speed that you know you will remain in control of the car?

It’s a no brainer... oh well then again you don't understand so...

Same thing with fog, or any other adverse road condition. You only go as fast (or as slow) as you need to when you drive. Don’t be stupid. NO cop is going to put you over for driving SAFE. End of story.

I am not being a hard a$$, I am just pointing out the facts. I do not sugar coat things. If you don’t like it, then don’t read my post, or reply.

 

No, he didn't. He specifically stated that he was not pressing the gas, or the brakes. His coasting speed was at 35mph, increasing to 40mph at the time of the impact due to the hill.

If he COULD NOT SEE due to the fog, then he should have slowed down. Period. What would you do? If you can’t see, you just going to coast down the hill, keep the wheel straight, and pray you don’t hit something or that there are no curves in the road... or would you slow down and drive with cation until the fog clears up?

Same thing if it is down pouring outside, and you have the wipers on full but you still can’t see 3 feet in front of you. Would you slow down, or just barrel down the road and hope you do not hit something? This is why people pull over to the side of the road and wait until the rain clears up. Oh but wait... a cop might come over and tell them that they can't pull over here, and they have to drive in dangerous conditions.

Looks like you need to go to driving school with him.


--- 4x4.... those pics do look bad man, good luck with everything... and I am glad the max saved your life, just be more carefull next time.

 

Sad day

 

Hey once again you didn't read my post. I said i costed down the hill because i could see down it all the way for some reason, its like the fog cleared up. I thought the road continued straight into a field or something, but it turns out the fog created the illusion for me and i ended up in the tree. I'll post up pics of the turn and the hill in a few days and you'll know what i'm talking about when i say "sudden drop and sharp right". Thanks for the replies guys, i'm truly glad i decided on the maxima rather than a sentra as my first car.

 

i can't believe that there's so many people bashing Silvermax here for simply stating that 4x4 was at fault in the accident and that he should have been more careful. of course its unfortinate for 4x4 and i'm sure he feels terrible not only about his car but also about his injured friend, and has learned his lesson and everything else. however no matter how you look at it the accident was 100% his fault. i'd understand giving him the benefit of the doubt if there was ice or snow on the road but from what he told us the only adverse factor was the fog. if you're driving on a road that you don't know and can't see what the heck it looks like ahead of you everyone knows to slow their *** down. i'm not trying to preach here, i had a simmilar thing happen and slammed my car into a telephone pole, however i can be mature about it and not make excuses about whose fault it was, because it was 100% my own.

there i feel better now

 

Thank you.

 

although silvermax did not say it in the nicest fashion, he just meant to say:

-I'm glad to see you're ok. This is just a small lesson in life.

 

See, that's the thing though.... he didn't simply state that 4x4 was at fault. In the beginning, he was very condescending and derogatory. Sentences like...

and...
...do not serve any purpose except to put 4x4 down and try to make him feel like more of an idiot. What the hell is the point? If you want him to hear what you're saying, why act like an e-bully about it?

Then there are things like...

...which is a really presumptuous thing to say. We're talking about an optical illusion created by the fog, and an unmarked, super-sharp turn immediately after it. We do NOT know the conditions of the accident for sure, no matter how many times we hear the story, so NO ONE can say what "the fact of the matter is".

See what I'm saying? Those things make the difference between pointing something out and being a d1ck about it. There's a lot of talk about maturity and "sucking it up" here, and you'd think that if we wanted 4x4 to act like a mature individual we'd treat him as such... not chastise him like he's some kind of punk kid tearing up his parents' car.

There is nothing wrong with saying something like "hey man... you're freakin' lucky you weren't going 2mph quicker. When you know there's fog out, you gotta hold back cuz you just can't count on what you see." And later on in the discussion, after he cooled off, silvermax2k2 made some damn good points that really needed to be heard. But everyone knows that the instant you start talking down to people, no matter how much sense you make, you come off like a thug. I dunno about you all, but I really don't think we need thugs here.

I spun out and wrecked my car showing off for a girl, and that was completely my fault... no wet patches, no fog, no faulty parts, no other cars... nothing. Just my own idiocy. I ran up on some rocks on the side of the road and smashed my transmission and one of my struts. I owned up to it, I fixed my car out of my own pocket (with a 5-speed swap), and I kept the damn dented front fender to remind myself not to be stupid like that again. Let me tell you... the violence of the collision, the girl's reaction, and the whole experience of trying to get the damn thing back on the road was enough of a wake-up call, and I sure as hell didn't need anyone else calling me an idiot. I knew that my damn self. 4x4's accident was much worse, and it'll stick with him in ways that many of us (hopefully) may never understand. He's not talking like some punk kid who'll just get back out on the road and wreck car after car. He's talking like an inexperienced driver who's pretty smart but just did not see this coming. You can bet your a$$es he'll be a lot more likely to see it next time.

If you ask questions and point out his possible mistakes, he'll hear it. Whether he resents you for it or not, it'll stick with him and help him learn. But if you talk down to him, your message is lost and you become an e-thug.

So point out whatever you want. Hell, it's a forum... you can't post about an accident you have and not expect people to point out your mistakes. Just don't be a d1ck about it.

And silvermax2k2, like I said.... damn good points a few posts up, and I'm very glad you made them. I just hope you (and others) see what I mean.

 

Good call d00d.

They can't stop me!

 

daam that was a hard hit... shiet

 

They can. And for posts like that in threads like this, they will.

 

I do not want to sound offensive to anybody who posted here but the conclusion is:

It was very hard to avoid this accident and the driver was not driving recklessly,
HOWEVER it is 100% driver’s fault.

If the accident happened not because of driver’s recklessness he can not be blamed,
HOWEVER the driver is still responsible for the accident.

This is my opinion and no matter who was in 4x4’s shoes (me, 10 year old kid, adult, 90 year old, Formula 1 or WRC driver) I would still think this way.

P.S.

4x4, please post the pics of the turn, if possible, at list you will let us learn on not our own mistakes. I appreciate that you started this thread.

 

I'm sorry to say this but I have crashed my previous car like that. I crashed at 40-45mph and it looked nothing like that. The only thing needed to be replaced was hood, grill, bumper, bumper suppor and the piece of metal that is holding the bumper support. And I crashed in a 89 corolla so the car is smaller than the maxima.

I've seen altimas crash at 65mph that looked like that( latest altima), there is no way in hell that maxima crashed at 40mph. Nobody needs a car that bends like newspaper at 40mph. At 65 the engine would probably be in my lap or should I say in my mangled knees.

Sorry about the accident. After my accident I had to take the bus 2 hours from school because of lack of money to get another car. 20 months of taking the bus gave me a lot of time to think. I thought a lot when people stepped on my shoe, sat next to me and stared at me, farted on the bus, ran after the bus yelling and waiving, did I mention the farting part????

Leason learned get better tires next time. I can spin walmart tires with a regular takeoff in my 150hp altima, I learned the hard way when I had to brake really hard and erased part of the tire hitting somebody's dog. Did I mention the part where I was going 10 under the speed limit?

 

This is an interesting thread and I say so because of the SOOO many people defending 4x4 and bashing silvermax. As someone that has been in an accident where I totaled a car (maxima), He was going WAY more than 45mph, think about it...the car got wrapped around a tree and the impact was enough to snap someone's leg.

Secondly as stated by 4x4 he could see down the road and the fog created an illusion, I don't know about you folks, but fog is white where I'm from and doesn't create illusions, but rather blinds you...u can't see past it...I can't imagine that the fog created a mirage and made the road look like it went straight...come on now.

Its unfortunate this kid got in an accident, and glad everyone is alive, but I also remember being a 16 yr old and driving faster than I should have, and doing other stuff I had no business doing. The tires had nothing to do with the accident, it was definately driver error.

 

Yeah, the car looks like you were going "pretty slow" when you lost control of it.

It kills me how some of you guys look for sympathy when you blatantly drive like idiots.

4x4: You wrote your own book on this one so deal with it.

 

i believe your story i'm not here to bash but that looks like a >40mph frontal crash.

This is my wreck that happened at ~40mph but i do understand you hit a tree so a more centralized force but I hit a car (not my fault) but best of luck with everything. Glad you're ok go find a new car and go to a driving school or something

 

yes that was no 20mph hit, sheit i hit my car at about 40mph and the damage isnt that severe, well chasis wise, i mean this dam car is strong, and is running today, dam bro. we all make mistakes, i had my first accident, you had yours, thats what happens when your young, we dont really realise shiet because we dont have the experience.

sheit always happens for the better, btw you dont realise how much u love your car until its gone. the day i hit my car, all my boys were telling me to total it, i was looking at the car, and then i saw the beauty in the car, i was like daam my car is hot, that shiet looks badasss, i love this car i cant get rid of it....but hopefully youll be able to move on

 

Did he really ask for sympathy? I thought the tone of the posts was along the lines of "man, this thing was pretty freakin' horrible... that turn took me totally by surprise... i'm really glad it wasn't worse for me and my passenger..."

Kinda sounded to me like he was just sharing. His tone seemed relatively neutral.

 

Hey homey, you weren't there, so how can you say that he was driving like an idiot?

 

I don't know how many of you have been in accidents, but I have been in 3 major ones, two requiring 6 months of active physical therapy and continuing a year and change later doctor visits from each one.
The first a drunk pulled out in front of us, then another drunk hit us from behind. It was a 92 sentra, it was ~40mph the car looked like his car.

The second I got hit at a stop sign by a guy who fell asleep, no real indication as to how fast he was going, but it was around ~40. I pushed out the back window of the truck I was in, and dented the inside of the cab of the truck with my hip. There was a car in front of me, the truck totaled it. I got 2 bulging discs at T1 and T2 from that one.

A lot can happen in an accident, I got cut-off into a delivery truck in my max, it looked like the 40mph crash LeX got in, but I was going ~20mph.
I got a ticket for rear-ending the delivery truck, the cops didn't listen to me until they already wrote the ticket, I fought it and they didn't show up (after I told them my story and they were paying attention they said they wouldn't).

Accidents are annoying to me at this point, I got rear-ended in my max when some old guy dropped his soda can, he was driving a van $3500 later my max was back on the road. But until either 4x4 gets the accident report posts it and posts pictures of the road, tree and THEN describes the conditions, the arguement can begin with facts not all this conjecture.

If any of you are traffic investigators and disagree speak up, I would like to hear your opinions.

 

I can say it by looking at the car, just like the insurance investigator will.

This was directed to him and everyone else that KNOWS they were not driving properly for the conditions of the road and then posting here to get sympathy. Cars don't crash themselves.

 

I used to investigate accidents for Boston Coach when I worked for them. Thing is, if you have damage to the frontal area of your car, it's hard to get away with not being at fault. But, if you have damage to the left and right corners of your front end, you can win. I've won 2 cases by the same thing happening to me. The first time it was the left corner, the second was the right. I was cut off the same way also. Both times, the drivers of the other cars were making illegal turns from the wrong lane.

 

30 MPH bumpers??!? Are you sure you don't mean 5? You hit something going 30MPH and I'd bet money the airbags deploy.

 

i agree with you guys who said that he had to have been going >40mph when he hit that tree. here's some pictures of my car from when i hit a telephone pole going just about the same speed if not faster, exept i came out of it w/o a scratch and i'm still driving my maxima, granted thats after 3k in repairs but still



here's some picture of my buddies maxima that got hit by a mercedes, he was going about 35 and the merc was going about 45, once again you can see the dammage isn't nearly as bad as on 4x4's car

 

Hahaha!!!! Sorry about that. Damn that was funny. I'm fried man.

 

Ok guys, you simply cannot judge how fast i was going. I really am not looking for sympathy here, i was just sharing how good of a car my 4th gen was and how it saved me. These cars are made to crumble up so they take the impact and not the occupants of the car. I was not going over 40mph, it doesn't matter what any of you may think, there are just too many factorst to consider when judging the speed of a wrecked vehicle. Yes i agree, it was 100% my fault, and i did learn a lot from this experience. I'll post pics of the road whenever i get the chance to go there with somebody. I was NOT driving in a dangerous fashion before the accident. If there wasnt fog there, i would of definatly have gotten out of that turn at the speed i was traveling when i hit that tree. Its just as soon as i hit that sharp decline in the road, i could see almost nothing, and since it was a sharp turn, i had no time to react when my wheels went off the road. Its weird how they're putting down new roads without reflectors on the old roads that had reflectors.

 

This thread is hella funny...but even if you only remember going under 40mph...4x4, by the time you hit the tree you were definately going faster than that...obviously the car didn't crumble enough/absorb the hit, if your friend broke his leg and ankle (can't remember if I read that)

 

It doesn't matter if he was there or not, it's common sense. I had an accident just like that and at 40mph my smaller car didn't peel like a banana.

 

You're just trying to blame everyone else but yourself.

 

His car looks exactly like it hit a heavy non movable object at 35 -40 mph At 60 it would have looked like a pancake and nobody would have survived. Just take a look at those crash test videos.

 

there we go that's the proof:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/movie/...ssanMaxima.avi
video does not seem to work unless downloaded to hdd

I could not find 4th gen maxima but this video still gives a general idea how hard the hit is at 35 mph. Besides, as far as I know 6th gen is much more rigid.

Hereis how nhtsa describes this test:

For those of you who still think it was not the way 4x4 said take a look at this and get some SAFE experience at what speed crashes are safe or not so safe: http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/c...ent_photo.html

 

thats why i f*cking said it was 100% my fault...

 

He isn't blaming anybody here but himself! The way a car will react to any accident is unpredicable for the average person. Trees are very solid and firmly rooted in the ground meaning they will damage a car more than another vehicle would. He was sliding downhill too on a corner so the angle that he hit the tree at would be a big factor as well.

I don't understand why everbody jumps on him and accuses him of lying about his speed...he wasn't out looking for an arguement. If you look at his original post you'll see he explained the accident then asked how much he could get for his car and the implications about the beer in his trunk. I didn't get the impression in any of his posts that he was acting irresponsibly, looking for sympathy, or trying to blame somebody/something else for causing the accident. Give the guy a break, he's been through enough!

 

^^ .... thanks for supplying those crash test vids.

007max, those pics blatantly indicate angled impacts and are not even remotely valid to a discussion about a head-on collision.

And all you guys who are still busting on 4x4 need to get a damn life. Nothing wrong with debating the details of the accident in a respectful way, but further insistence that he was being an idiot behind the wheel, without knowing the details of the accident, is pathetic.

 

Guys, we get it. He screwed up, but he realizes this and that makes him as mature as anyone else. Whether he was going 45 or 450mph, it doesnt matter. he fcuked up, knew it, and is glad to be alive today to learn a life lesson.


Lets go ahead and IBTL

 

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ya rly

 

 

dam thats crazy, glad u ok man. I really hope all goes well 4 u man...keep us updated.