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Old Jun 20, 2001 | 08:37 PM
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Yes, I have done it again... this time I have only improved a little, but I am sure that I can get a 14.7 with my current setup.

What I did tonight:

R/T .821
60' 2.255
330 6.238
1/8 9.563
MPH 74.1
1000 12.224
1/4 14.844
MPH 92.52

I now have my BrianV style intake on and this is the factor that will allow me to get a 14.7 with only an intake + catback. My best run did NOT have my best 60' or MPH so I know I can do a little better still.

My average for the night was about 14.9
Old Jun 20, 2001 | 09:09 PM
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one more note: my best 60' of the night was a 2.191

an interesting story...

Mechanic was there with his Automagic and just for fun I ran against him with 2 of his friends in my car and still won...

Automagics
Old Jun 20, 2001 | 09:12 PM
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hey blue, screw going for the 14.7! Get the pipe and go for 14.5!!!! I love speed!!!!!
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 02:56 AM
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WTF!! I ran 14.8@94 tonight....WITH a y-pipe.....damn my car is slow.
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 05:52 AM
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now now.. c'mon give us the Sea Level and Athmospheric pressure.. you are not getting away that easy
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 06:01 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
now now.. c'mon give us the Sea Level and Athmospheric pressure.. you are not getting away that easy
Sprint:
Temp = 65
Rel. Humidity = 70
Don't know the sea level, but it's western NY.
bmxsteve: in time :-)
BriGuy: I have quite a few runs under my belt now and I think my skill level allows me to run a little better than most people do.

I'm still in shock about the 2.191 60' (I can't remember how I launched that run, DOH!)
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 06:23 AM
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You and Eric J. seem to do very good runs at that track must be nice sea level and extra sticky.. I thought Etown was one of the best tracks in the US but that track you guys are at bring great times.. I will be damned if i don't feel like driving up there to see what the differences are with my times...
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by theblue

Sprint:
Temp = 65
Rel. Humidity = 70
Don't know the sea level, but it's western NY.
bmxsteve: in time :-)
BriGuy: I have quite a few runs under my belt now and I think my skill level allows me to run a little better than most people do.

I'm still in shock about the 2.191 60' (I can't remember how I launched that run, DOH!)
the sea level i believe was at 900 ft... or something around that... hey aaron, now now, i still ran with just an intake u know in an automagic. give it a couple of weeks and i'll give u a run fer yer money! but gotto admit, that was some awesome weather last nite, wish its gonna be like that everytime we go there! in any case, that was a fun nite, wow, i blew my previous best by like 1/2 sec, now thats something! i'm satisfied for hrmm.... about a week!

here's the other info bout the track and my best time,
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....threadid=47470
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 06:44 AM
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Great times Aaron!
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
You and Eric J. seem to do very good runs at that track must be nice sea level and extra sticky.. I thought Etown was one of the best tracks in the US but that track you guys are at bring great times.. I will be damned if i don't feel like driving up there to see what the differences are with my times...
Yeah, I talked to one of the starters at the track and he though the elevation was somewhere between 500 and 1000 feet.

I haven't been to another track, but this one seems pretty stickey. The one time that I was there I kept launching higher and higher, and had no problems. I think I got up to 3,500 RPM (Dropping the clutch) and I still stuck!
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 07:45 AM
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Great runs. You really need a Y-pipe to get that trap speed up and drop some more et. I typically hit 94-95mph in cooler weather (70s and below). Knocking off another .05 in et is so frustrating. I've run 8 14.73-14.75s. I just can't get to the 14.6s. You can easily hit 14.7s if you get some drag radials.

What is your track setup? What do you remove?

I don't know what it is, but the quickest cars in all of the forums I visit (clubgp.com, z28camaro.com, ls1.com, Corral, vwvortexx.com, maxima.org, newcelica.org) tend to almost always reside in the northeast (NY, Canada, Maryland, NJ). There's something about the air there. I think it's the baropressure and low elevation.

Conditions for Rochchester last night were 30.1+ baro pressure and lower 60s. The dew point was rather high meaning the humidity was in the upper 60% range. According to the world atlas, Rochester is at 490' above msl. Lake Ontario is about 240' above msl. Those conditions seem pretty good.

Keep on working at it.


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Old Jun 21, 2001 | 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
You and Eric J. seem to do very good runs at that track must be nice sea level and extra sticky.. I thought Etown was one of the best tracks in the US but that track you guys are at bring great times.. I will be damned if i don't feel like driving up there to see what the differences are with my times...
I'm thinking the same thing
Some thing isn't right about the track your running on compared to the Etown track ......
Aaron wut did you run that day at etown ?

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Old Jun 21, 2001 | 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Ant95se


I'm thinking the same thing
Some thing isn't right about the track your running on compared to the Etown track ......
Aaron wut did you run that day at etown ?

Ant
Between 15.3 to 15.1 was his best times at e-town. Maybe i should go upsate and see how well i do. Every bit counts for me.
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Ant95se


I'm thinking the same thing
Some thing isn't right about the track your running on compared to the Etown track ......
Aaron wut did you run that day at etown ?

Ant
...Nah, I think Aaron and I are just great drivers!
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 09:28 AM
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Nah .. i think its the track

Originally posted by ejj5875


...Nah, I think Aaron and I are just great drivers!
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
Nah .. i think its the track

Yeah, I'm sure your right. I bettcha on another track we would both be in the 16's!

My times are right on par with other guys (including yourself) with the same mods, and maybe Aaron is just a better driver, or has a faster car. I don't know that the track is making a huge difference. Yeah, we've had cooler weather in WNY, but that's just a perk of the area.

Aaron: Have you run at another track since running in Rochester?
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 09:49 AM
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what do you think i am basing it on

the day i ran 14.7 ..

Aaron was running 15.2 - 15.5 all day with 2.2 60fts.. so if he had a 2.1 60ft .. thats a 15.0 run

Originally posted by ejj5875


Yeah, I'm sure your right. I bettcha on another track we would both be in the 16's!

My times are right on par with other guys (including yourself) with the same mods, and maybe Aaron is just a better driver, or has a faster car. I don't know that the track is making a huge difference. Yeah, we've had cooler weather in WNY, but that's just a perk of the area.

Aaron: Have you run at another track since running in Rochester?
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
what do you think i am basing it on

the day i ran 14.7 ..

Aaron was running 15.2 - 15.5 all day with 2.2 60fts.. so if he had a 2.1 60ft .. thats a 15.0 run

Makes sense. However, it is possiable that Aaron got better between now and then. If I recall, that was one of his first times out...since then I know of 3 times that he's gone to the track.

Outside of launching, one of, if not the key to racing out cars is clean shifts...maybe he's gotten better?
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 10:08 AM
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same trap speed

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Makes sense. However, it is possiable that Aaron got better between now and then. If I recall, that was one of his first times out...since then I know of 3 times that he's gone to the track.

Outside of launching, one of, if not the key to racing out cars is clean shifts...maybe he's gotten better?
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 10:12 AM
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Eric i am not trying to put you guys down.. or saying you guys are not excellent drivers.. but the track has a lot to do with it..

I bet you any money if Dave B. was at that track in Rochester he would pull 14.4 w/ 2.1 60fts..

don't think i am flaming you guys.. just making an observation
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
Eric i am not trying to put you guys down.. or saying you guys are not excellent drivers.. but the track has a lot to do with it..

I bet you any money if Dave B. was at that track in Rochester he would pull 14.4 w/ 2.1 60fts..

don't think i am flaming you guys.. just making an observation
Don't worry, I understand that.

I didn't realize that Aaron was getting the same trap speeds, for some reason I thought he was 1 or 2 mph faster.

As for the track...I guess I don't get it. I can see where it will help 60' times based on how slick it is, and times based on the weather and elevation. What is the elevation at E-town? I just assumed that it was close to here.

But if Aaron's getting similar 60' times and ET's close to a half second better...is it just the weather/elevation making the difference?
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 10:24 AM
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well..

see.. Aaron dropped .3 - .4 secs by track change.. so i would think that would be a big factor

Etown i think is 1500 - 2000 ft above sea level

Elevation plays a big factor.. and like i said i am not doubting you guys.. but i am just looking at Aaron running one time this week and incredible the next week.. just by track change

anyway.. you guys are good drives and they are great runs
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Don't worry, I understand that.

I didn't realize that Aaron was getting the same trap speeds, for some reason I thought he was 1 or 2 mph faster.

As for the track...I guess I don't get it. I can see where it will help 60' times based on how slick it is, and times based on the weather and elevation. What is the elevation at E-town? I just assumed that it was close to here.

But if Aaron's getting similar 60' times and ET's close to a half second better...is it just the weather/elevation making the difference?
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax

Etown i think is 1500 - 2000 ft above sea level
huh, I didn't realize that Etown was so much higher. I guess that would explain things.

Thanks.
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 10:30 AM
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huh, I didn't realize that Etown was so much higher. I guess that would explain things.

Thanks.
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 10:41 AM
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well..

Etown i think is 1500 - 2000 ft above sea level

Englishtown, NJ is situated 70' above msl : There's definately no correction factor for that track.

This only counts to true sanctioned racing, but the NHRA doesn't allow for correction of altitude unless you are 1100' above msl. However their program will correct for ANY altitude. Whether they accept it or not is another thing.

Lucky me, I'm stuck at 1025'. What do I do I've corrected my slip for altitude (just for fun) and my et comes out to a 14.52@95mph. It seems every 1000' is about .15-.20 for 12-15 second cars.


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Old Jun 21, 2001 | 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by Dave B


Englishtown, NJ is situated 70' above msl : There's definately no correction factor for that track.

This only counts to true sanctioned racing, but the NHRA doesn't allow for correction of altitude unless you are 1100' above msl. However their program will correct for ANY altitude. Whether they accept it or not is another thing.

Lucky me, I'm stuck at 1025'. What do I do I've corrected my slip for altitude (just for fun) and my et comes out to a 14.52@95mph. It seems every 1000' is about .15-.20 for 12-15 second cars.


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Okay, so now I'm confused. If Dave is correct Etown is 400+ feel closer to sea level the Rochester. This would leave me to belive that Etown should be a faster track, right?
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by ejj5875


Okay, so now I'm confused. If Dave is correct Etown is 400+ feel closer to sea level the Rochester. This would leave me to belive that Etown should be a faster track, right?
I've always thought E-Town was a very quick track same goes for the main track in Maryland. I've seen timeslips showing the barometric pressure in these areas coming close to 32.2 which is almost like having a psi turbo. It makes a huge difference.

Other things you have to consider is humidity. Humidity kills performance far more than heat because there is more H20 in the air which takes place of the O2. Not good.


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Old Jun 21, 2001 | 11:31 AM
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one thing u guys forget... aaron didnt have his intake then, i'm pretty sure yesterday was the first time he ran with that thing on. just letting yall know! :P
Old Jun 21, 2001 | 11:32 AM
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wow! lots happened while I was in class..

I looked through some timeslips and my runs last night were about 1-2 mph faster on average.

want to know what the real factor is?

At Etown I got 4 runs (4 chances on one hot day)...

At NYIRP I get about 15 runs per night (60 degree weather)


my experience is building up now and I believe that any of the etown people who were given so many more runs per day would improve their times also.

if you guys want to drive up here then bring it! otherwise, see ya at maxus
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