Cumalot

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My friend just got a used '93 Mitsubishi 3000GT, I think it's the SL model, not the VR4 one. To me, I think he should got the VR4 model. Yes, it's more expensive, but why go half way? Anyway, it's a manual. Friend said it's a 6spd. I thought only the VR4 had 6spd., the none VR4 only came in 5spd.? He paid about $10k for the car with about 55k mileage. The interior looks like crap, he definitely nees to redo the whole interior. Bottom line is, can I take him? I know it's not the VR4 model, but it does have over 200hp and it's a manual transmission. My mods are listed in my signature. I will race him whenever we get the chance. I believe there's a chance he can take me. I don't know, but whatever the outcome will be, I think it should be close. He claimed that he took out a newer Mustang GT. I'm a bit skeptical on that claim. This is sad, now two of my friends have a sportier car than me. My other friend has a 5spd. Prelude., haven't race him yet. And I'm stuck with my old automagic. With my mods, would I be able to take my friend's 3000GT SL? Since he just got the car, of course, it's stock. Isn't there a turbo kit that he could get for this car? Man, I need my VB and supercharger!

Sprint

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SL's run mid 15's

Cumalot

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Hm...that should a good match for me. Pretty even. Now if only I had a 5spd., I would kill him.

Sprint

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no.. not funny

Cumalot

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Nevermind then. No sense of humor, I see. Oh wait, I have an automatic, I'm not worthy.


Anyone else want to comment on this. I would appreciate it.

Egression

actually i think the SL's are about dead even with a 4th gen max. the SL's are crap, they are only 5 spd, so you can bust your friend. he got ripped off for how much he paid, and what else..... oh yeah race him, you have a good chance. his cars a POS

costcowholesale

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go show him what nissan automatics are capable of

Cumalot

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That's what I thought. He doesn't seem to be really good at judging cars. First when he bought an Integra, he got the LS model and not the GSR. Now he got a SL and not a VR4. Frankly, I think it's a waste of money. I think if I had a 5spd., I could take him without much trouble. With my automatic, I think we're even. So, it should be a good race. I'll keep you guys posted.

Egression

3000GT Base, 3000GT SL, Stealth R/T, Stealth ES:
* 3.0 Liter V-6, 222 hp/205 ft-lbs torque
* DOHC 24-valve engine
* 5-speed manual transmission
* 16 inch 225/55R16/V-rated wheels

_DRU_

is that the new one or the old ones? i remember that the 3000GT V6's went from a weak 180HP? up to the 222HP, but i dunno if the newer ones or the older ones were wekaer, i think the older ones...

Nealoc187

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i've raced 3 modded 3000GT SLs, and testdriven one. i ran all 3 of them significantly in my 5 speed 4th gen. and yes, its a 5 speed, not 6.

MaximaMan

They put out more power than the max...but the weight it what gets them. They weigh so much...that unless its the VR-4 model u should win...

I raced one the other night, SL like the one your friend has...it was pretty close, i had 2 other people in the car..
The points where i gained the most length was the shifting..so i thnik the one i raced was an auto vs. my 5spd

my 2 cents.

costcowholesale

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if thats true then hes gonna lose, u got an 5spd he has an auto

BriGuyMax

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The base model 3000GT is only 160hp....not 222.....now the SL and Dodge Stealth ES are both 222...and they are basically the same car....when I was stock...I took my friends Stealth ES 5-speed by about a car and a half....now...I've got him by about 3-4 carlengths....you should be able to take him.

SWEETSOUND2001

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can someone post the specs for the vr4?

Nealoc187

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Bri, where'd you get that info about the 160 hp base model? i know alot of times people just "know" the stuff... i do it all the time, numbers stick with me when i learn them. i'm not doubting, i just never knew that there was a model lower than the SL in the 3000GT....i thought there was only SL and VR4.

Sonic

The '93 VR4 has 300 HP/ 307 ft-lb of torque, weighed 3803 (yes, thats correct) pounds, and rode on 245/45-17 tires. The SL 5 speed of that year weighed 3373 pounds and made 222 HP and 217 ft-lb.

SWEETSOUND2001

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Whats the 1/4 mile and 0-60 times for vr4?

Sonic

5.4 and 13.5@101.6

SWEETSOUND2001

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That doesn't make any sense..
A 3600 pound cadillac sevilles sts has 300 hp and 295 torque
but yet it runs a mids 15's 1/4 mile.
What makes the heavier vr4 so much better? AWD?

Sonic

Silly boy, 4WD, an active exhaust and twin turbos. And some MASSIVE rubber.

OgreDave

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Yah.. i dunno how you guys can say VR4's are slow TT/AWD ? My friend's modded VR4 (94 i think?) is doing high 12's .. sorry, I don't think my car can even touch him.

A NA Auto 4th gen vs a 5spd VR4 ? If your friend can drive, and his turbo's arent dead (my friends stock turbos were) .. he should be able to beat you everytime.

Jeff91SE

Hes right. Right from Carpoint.com. Same numbers.

A '91 SL will run 8.5/16.4. Dont know auto/stick.
A same Gen VR4 ('91-'93) will run low 14s.

I think 16.4 was an auto. I think your friend will take you.
Sorry.

fastmax92

i know how he has a six speed.... you add reverse and walah you got six gears....hahahhaha =)

Cumalot

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Um...Dave, did you read carefully? My friend doesn't have a VR4. It's a SL. Don't you think I know that a VR4 can take me all the time. Even your supercharger won't help.

Cumalot

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Speak for yourself. If a SL runs 16s with an auto, a 5spd. should run mid to high 15s. So, I have more than a good chance to take him. Btw, I run low to mid 15s.

Jose

I have auto like you and the SL didn't give me much of a problem. The key to winning the race is the start I was able to get the jump on both of them. With a intake and a ypipe you should beat him.
Later:Jose

_DRU_

the 160HP is a weak sohc v6

Egression

in 93 they have no 160 hp 3000gt buddy. check again.

Cumalot

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My friend told me the '93 SL has around 200hp. Is that correct? Oh, I guess I forgot to mention the funniest part. Further proof it's not a VR4, my friend bought a few "VR4" stickers to put on his car. I think he also bought a "turbocharged" sticker as well. Is there any physical way to tell a SL and a VR4 apart? Stickers can be misleading, like my friend here.

Sonic

In '97 there was a 161 HP V6, there was never a I$ in the 3000GT, those were in the Eclipse.

OgreDave

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Ah, my bad. I havent slept in a while.. lets just say the suns out..

And i know the SC wont help. Thats why im goin for a ride in HIS CAR @ Buttonwillow sometime. WHEE..

Egression

all VR4's came equipped standard with HUGE chrome 18's (VERY WIDE!!!) i forget if there are any other things. oh yeah, you should deff. hear a "wwwwwhhhhhhhhiiiiiizzzzzz" while driving by. ah yeah love that turbo whistle! your friend is starting to **** me off, i hate when people do ish like that. I had a friend that had a millenia and he bougt the "s" to put on it

Sonic

245/45-18s in the '95+ years, they were 245/45-17s in the '91 to '94 years.

Dave B

The 3000GTs have used 3 styles of V6s over the years. There's the 300/320hp twin turbo, 222hp DOHC, and the 160hp SOHC. The VR4s are good for lower 14s to mid 13s depending on year. The DOHC V6 was good for mid 15s with the 5 speed and the SOHC V6 was good for lower 16s.

Many of you must realize that the VR4 is not a quick car unless it's launched at 5000rpms. Moving 3800+lbs off the line with 320 turbo hp is not an easy feat. I've witnessed a newer VR4 running mid 15s@90mph with a 3000 launch. The guy then stepped up the launch to 5500 and the VR4 was running low 14s@96. That's pretty significant and shows how launch dependant these cars are. I believe it was MT that compared 0-60s of the VR4 being launched at 5000rpms vs 2000rpms. With a 2000rpm launch it was running 0-60 in 7 second range. With the 5000rpms launch it was in the mid 5s.

I don't see why a SC Max couldn't take a early 90s VR4 in the 1/4. From a roll, a well driven 5 speed 4th/5th gen with the typical mods should come pretty close to hanging with a early 90s VR4. I use to race VR4s all the time in my 94 Z28 auto. Off the line they'd get me, but after 60mph I'd walk them pretty hard. AWD is no good after 30mph.


Dave

Sprint

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Dave has an Supercharged Auto.. he is not keeping up with a vr4

Nealoc187

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the VR4 just has a "more agressive" stance than the SL and base model. it also has larger stock wheels, and they key thing is dual exhaust... the SL and base dont have dual exhaust. thats how you can tell them apart. oh yeah and the VR4 is the one that smokes you off the line, thats an indication as well.

Cumalot

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Next time, I'll take some pics of his car. Then, I could show you guys. Hm...this is weird. If a real VR4 has heavy chrome wheels and dual exhaust(two on each side?), then my friend has it! I remember he said the speedometer goes up to 180. Maybe it is a VR4? Or could the last owner be a poser and slap some VR4 cosmetic mods on? This is confusing, I'll call him over to get some pics.

BriGuyMax

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I don't know where I got it....I've known it for a while.....just look at the back of the car...if it just says 3000GT...then it's a base model...if it says 3000GT SL than it's the 222hp DOHC motor...and if it says 3000GT VR-4 then it's the 300-320 hp one...

Yellowbrother

i believe on that year model the vr4 rear spoiler is different the other trim level...