Brian, I will admit we have had issues, all businesses do. Dallas and I have learned a lot in the time we have been bending pipe. We've learned who are reliable vendors, how to deal with fitting issues, the finer points of non-mandrel bending and mandrel bending, which color sells and how to price products. We have paid particular attention to the consumer, that's why we now offer more variations of Maxima y-pipes than any other business. We believe our y-pipes are the best bang for the buck, bar none. Our y-pipe has been dyno tested by your self and proven to produce every bit as much h/p as our competitor. Who else offers a 4 year rust proof guarantee? Who else drives a Maxima as a daily driver, custom bends pipe so the pipe doesn't have to be butt welded, thus producing a pipe with superior strength?
I don't mean to get off on a tangent, but I do take issue at people who take stabs at us. I post this with a big thanks as well. Since our pipes were head to head dyno tested, our sales have increased greatly.

Dan WSP

 

I have noticed people complaining about WSP customer service and quality. However if anyone has an issue I think they should get ahold of WSP first before posting there problems on .org, in front of potential buyers. That is not the way to do business and is also bad for business. WSP will take care of any problems, they will not leave you hanging.

 

Bryan:
We did ask several times for you to send us the pipe back to examine it, if we had found a problem we would have taken care of it as we have with several others. We have never yet had a flex section with a hole in it, but if yours did we would have most likely replaced it. We did find several pipes which had 1" of missing weld, like Jonathan's and Sprintmax's. The stated policy on our website is we have the right to examine prior to repair or replacement. You did not want to be inconvenienced and did not return it to us as we asked. We were in the middle of phasing out the 409 stainless and never got the pipes in that we were promised to build another for you. We already explained this to you, it was right afer that, just before Maxxus you said you would do every thing you possibly could to shut our business down. I then told you basically, to kiss my a**. Still goes because another thing we have not changed is that we still don't cave in to terroristic threats of harm to our business simply because you are not happy with something which was beyond our control.

We don't use "Cleo the fortune teller" to advise us of problems or complaints, we only know when we actually get a call or email.

So enjoy your Cattman pipe and get over it. I have.

Dallas

 

I just talked to Dallas for a good 30-45 min about all the stuff coming out soon. And other things, he is a really nice guy like I have thought when we have met a few times in the past. I believe he has great service, but it seems there might be a few mis-communications between a few of you guys. I think if you worked with Dallas or Dan and did what they asked to get it resolved, it would happen, it seems to be that its not getting resolved because you guys are not doing what they asked to be done.

Anyways, I stand by WSP, he so far hasn't done anything to me except delayed response in emails. No big deal.

 

Back to the subframe bracing topic..

To get the most out of the stiffening effect, you want both longitudinal and horizontal bracing. The best example to describe this is a shoe box. You can easily bend/flex the box when the top is not on but when you put it on, the box flexes less. Now imaging putting a stick or rod in the middle or in an "X". This makes it more difficult for the box to flex. The same goes for the subframe. When the vehicle has lateral forces placed on the tires and weight distribution alters, the subframe will flex. The use of the bracing connects key points on the subframe to minimize the flex (ie lower control arm).

If you want an idea on what all this bracing looks like, go here for pics of the bracing on my Miata (full race suspension). I've got TWO front subframe braces and two rear subframe braces. This, along with a FSTB and 4 point roll bar makes this sucker flex 25-30% less than stock.

 

Yes, you are correct. We may offer two levels of frames. One with anterior/posterior bracing and a second level with cross bracing. The cross bracing is a little tricky because you need to account for exhaust system and clearence, the object is to really tighten her up and decrease rattle, not increase them. These are pretty new so we still don't know exactly where we will end up. All I know for sure is: Dallas, hurry up and send MY set so I can get them on.

Hmmmm?? Roll Cage???
Dan WSP

 

First off I would like to say that you guys are very nice people to work with as far as customer serivce goes, I realize that it's my fault about the receipts being unprofessional, I would still appreciate some effort from you guys to see if I can't get the two hundred dollar muffler bill rembursed to me. Since I would be spending about the amount of the pipe just to put one on, take it off, reweld it, put it back on again only for it to not work properly, , take it off again, put another one back on, find a hole in it, take it off, and send both pipes back to you.




as far as the receipt goes, I sent you one with white out because they don't have the best hand writing at the Kar Kare muffler shop,
Does the IRS require computer printed receipts these days? I don't think so but if you would like to prove me wrong that's fine, hell they don't even have a computer at their shop, I whited a little out to make it legible that's all, and the fact that it had been so long that neither I nor the guys at the shop could remember what specific dates I was there.
I hadn't paid the bill because I told them that you guys would take care of it, they said fine whenever just let us know. I said ok, just get me a receipt with all the work and price of work, and I will send it to you like you asked, I asked if you could credit it to my check card, because I thought that might be a little easier on everyone, and we probably could have had it wrapped up in a week. You said you would rather send the muffler shop a company check for the bill, I said fine, whatever works for you. What do you mean by cash deal anyways I don't quite follow you?
As far as satisfaction with your product, if it hadn't had a missing weld on it, or what I call a hole, then I would have been screaming happy with it, the power gain which I am sure I told you about before was unreal, I couldn't believe how much of a difference it made
I will just get you the managers number or let him call you and maybe by the time it has been a year since the origional purchase I could get back the two hundred dollars I paid them for absolutly nothing. I mean it was not my fault that the pipe had a hole in it, so why should I have to pay two hundred dollars to mess around and try to fix your faulty pipe, and not even get anything out of it but a headache?

You just let me know what I can do to get the situation rectified in some proffesional manner, and I would be as happy as a pig in **** to do it. Just let me know. my email is GTRBLKMAX97@aol.com so just send me an email and maybe we could figure this mess out.

Thanks

Jonathan

 

Dude, now I will say this. Get them a good receipt, NOT a hand written one unless its a real receipt with the company, signiture, etc on it. Until you do that, they can not help you. I have been in the retail business for over 8 years, and I know the requirements of having a good receipt and being able to get reimburresed. Go back to them and get a better one. I am sure they would do this.

 

Haha, Russ doesnt get respect from anyone not even newbies.
Sub-frame connectors are a definitly a great idea and about time somebody actually looked into it. Personally i will wait until a good amount of people have bought these and tried them out because i dont feel like being a a Guinea pig.

They would need an appropriate reciept for tax purposes, try explaining to the IRS what white out is doing on a reciept when (not if) they decide to check your business out.

..... want considerably better handling ditch the maxima.... for a german coupe.

 

It's amazing how there's such a difference dealing with Dallas and Dan. I've had very positive experiences with Dan, and not so good ones with Dallas.

I'm not going to argue, but I'm going to clear a few things up.

1. You originally said you would send me a new Y-pipe to replace mine, only after about two months did you then ask me to send my Y-pipe back.
2. I even offered to pay for a Y-pipe to send me, and then you could refund my money for the faulty Y-pipe when I sent it back.
3. I send numerous emails and was in constant communication with Dallas (guess I should have contacted Dan?) with no results.

And finally. If I wanted to "do every thing you possibly could to shut our business down" then why would I post my dyno graphs showing that your Y-pipe was equal to cattmans?? If I was trying to shut you down, don't you think I could have easily doctored the dyno plot and then posted a fake graph to hurt your business.

I think I made enough attempts to solve my problem (from March to August) with Dallas. I do truely think that if I would have communicated with Dan, I would have been much better off.
Good luck with your company.

 

We are glad you are happy with your Cattman pipe, we regret you were unhappy with ours and we were unable to provide you with another in a timely fashion. Sometimes things happen beyond our control. We are just 2 regular guys that love cars, we know there are 2 sides to every story, we know emails are lost and email addresses are changed frequently, answering machines are not real reliable and people have a tendency to be impersonal on forums and emails. Everyone I ever met at any of the Nissan meets has been super nice.

Did you know that Dan bought one of the Cattman "one hung low" Y pipes 2 years ago? That is actually what gave us the incentive to start our business. After he drove over some railroad tracks and put a big dent in it he sent it to me to repair the dent. After we examined it and talked with a couple of automotive engineers we decided we could do better regarding performance and do it cheaper. We have and we did. That original "one hung low" pipe is hanging on the wall of our shop as a constant reminder of why we need to keep on top of things. Personally, I think even our $195 non-mandrel bent gen 4 pipes will outperform the pipe on your car, this last year we spent about $2000 on dyno and flow testing and design and it did not go to waste. If Jonathan would actually talk with his buddy at the muffler shop and send me an actual receipt that would keep our sister who does our accounting out of jail we would send him one plus a little cash.

Having said that the ice is melting, the power is finally back on and I have a bunch of Y pipes to ship to some great maxima drivers that will have the best instant performance you can buy and they spent less than $300.

Dallas
WarpSpeed Performance
"race proven daily"

 

I have had nothing but good expiriences with WSP. Service was excellent, I had a good conversation with Dallas. The product is top notch, much better performance. Having seen the basic operation in NW Arkansas, I can say that these are two very busy guys, that have a lot of things going on, most of which exist to help out us Maxima owners. I have not always recieved a call back the first time I left a message or email, but I honestly feel like they make all the effort to answer all questions when it is possible. You can't always satisfy everyone, but I think they try.

 

I am generally a nice person




I would be more than happy to spen my day tomorrow at the muffler shop and talk with them, give them your number, type up a reciept on a typewritter, whatever else to make it look professional. I am not saying this with a bad attitude, nor is anything else I said in vain if it seems like it. But I don't quite know what you mean about one and a little cash? could you send me an eamil to explain, if its what I am thinking that would be perfectly fine.\

Thanks a bunch Dallas

Jonathan

 

I posted about these in early spring but couldn't find anyone willing to use their car as the test monkey (free bracing, though!).

 

Two things:

1) Please take this conversation to email or phone. You have taken over this thread with your issue, and it's not even productive at this point to others. It's obvious that there is no problem with WSP's customer service, nor is there anything that you tried to pull over on them. It's just semantics. And this thread is about the release of subframe connectors, not your receipt.

2) Stop arguing/justifying/complaining/whatever and just get them a receipt. Suck it up. It's your issue, not theirs. They need to cover their aZZ, as a legitimate business practive, by having proper receipts, not only for tax purposes but so that they can see that you really paid what you say you paid. Put yourself in their position. They are totally correct in their stance.

But regardless, take this discussion to a private forum.

 

When is the 5th Gen y-pipe coming out?

 

WOW, I almost hate to post here. Just a brief message. We are putting final touches on the 5th Gen pipe. Thankfully, there is not a huge difference between 4th and 5th. My guess is several weeks before we can start selling them.This process never goes as fast as I wish it would. BTW we will not be offering them in aluminized, it will be 304 SS, MIG or TIG welded. Low WSP prices as usual.


Dan WSP

 

You should patent the sub frames Dan. hehe

 

so when can i buy one! Before xmas?

 

Dan, when the y pipes are ready and you start to sell them, post it up on the message board

 

I promose, I will start a new thread.

Dan WSP

 

WHat?! I would have came donw and had it tested on my car!

 

If you're familiar with patent laws, he has no claim on subframe connectors since this has been in the automotive industry for years.

 

Quite possibly, this is going to be a busy couple of weeks but we will be installing the Stage 1 subframes on my 96SE and I am going to try a couple of things to see if we can't do a bolt on as well. I am also going to doing a bolt on Stage 2 X brace but want to get some miles on the Stage 1 so I will be able to readily tell the difference.

I will be taking off my FSTB and rear sway bar prior to the install of the subframes so as to note the difference if the subframes are installed first prior to each of them. We have some nice steep winding roads out here through the hills so it will get a good road test.

Dallas
WarpSpeed Performance
"race proven daily"

 

that is awesome. i need to keep weight really low on my car though. every pound counts. can't wait to see those pics!

 

Insead of of just using the old butt dyno, why not set up a G-tech Pro and get us some g-force numbers on a skid pad?

 

Back on topic; I was going to have these custom made back a few months ago before I started having troubles with the car. They really help a lot!!! I was working with some people who build roundy-round (prostock) race cars.

 

A stiffer chassis won't necessarily translate into higher skidpad #s, so there's really not much point in testing the subframe connectors on a G-tech. Maximum grip is primarily dictated by wheel and tire width as well as tire type. You can have a soft-sprung car pull the same numbers as a tightly-sprung car with the same tire/wheel combo. That does not at all mean that the softer sprung car will handle better. Handling is a complicated characeristic that cannot be fully characterized by one number like G's. How the car transitions, whether it under- or over-steers, how it handles road irregularities in corners, etc all have as much if not more to do with how well a car handles as does maximum grip (G's).

I wouldn't even recommend WSP test their subframe connectors for G's because it'd only serve to turn away customers expecting grip increases. G-force increase probably won't happen and is not the intended purpose of them anyway...better handling is, not increased grip.

 

I agree with this 100%, the connectors will probably make the car simply feel tighter and more responsive. Their benefits probably wouldn't translate well into hard skidpad and slalom numbers.

 

Maybe not skidpad, but why not slalom or road course?
I thought the drawback of flex was the "rebound" of the chassis when settling out of a corner. A stiffer chassis would help eliminate that, right?

 

any word on pricing of these bad boys?

 

I second that. I'm very interested