Fully N/A modded 4th gen 5-speed loses to 4th gen AUTO....
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Originally posted by SprintMax
on the street brian use to be faster.. but he says he is only pulling 1 car now.. MAX2000JP as far as i know.. thats the best run i could find with the search function...
on the street brian use to be faster.. but he says he is only pulling 1 car now.. MAX2000JP as far as i know.. thats the best run i could find with the search function...
"So my car is pretty much back up to speed....not quite as quick as it used to be. I ran MAX2000JP(5th gen 5-speed, intake and y-pipe) today from 40-100 and we were pretty much even. (I used to pull on him about a car.) "
Originally posted by PhatGuy
Hmmmm I read in the first post of this thread:
"So my car is pretty much back up to speed....not quite as quick as it used to be. I ran MAX2000JP(5th gen 5-speed, intake and y-pipe) today from 40-100 and we were pretty much even. (I used to pull on him about a car.) "
Hmmmm I read in the first post of this thread:
"So my car is pretty much back up to speed....not quite as quick as it used to be. I ran MAX2000JP(5th gen 5-speed, intake and y-pipe) today from 40-100 and we were pretty much even. (I used to pull on him about a car.) "
Originally posted by PhatGuy
I know that but he still thinks he is the King of New York let alone the tri state area!
NYC probably isn't good enough for the elite individual!
I know that but he still thinks he is the King of New York let alone the tri state area!
NYC probably isn't good enough for the elite individual!
stop it..
he will think he is the KING OF THE EAST COAST soon
Originally posted by PhatGuy
I know that but he still thinks he is the King of New York let alone the tri state area!
NYC probably isn't good enough for the elite individual!
I know that but he still thinks he is the King of New York let alone the tri state area!
NYC probably isn't good enough for the elite individual!
just call me KOTNE .. King of the North East
Originally posted by redmaxpa007
stop it..
he will think he is the KING OF THE EAST COAST soon
stop it..
he will think he is the KING OF THE EAST COAST soon
Brian and I will do some runs this weekend to get things sorted out. When I raced Szymon (max7) on the highway, the day I got my Y-pipe on, he pulled about 12 inches from 60-90 or so. That was before his UDP though.
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Like I've said before, a dyno is tuning tool. You tune your car on the dyno, that's all. It's not there to compare your "hard numbers" to someone else's "hard numbers" fourteen states away. All dynos read a little differently therefore it is essential to dyno on the same machine to gauge performance increases/decreases.
From what I've seen on this site, on average, a 4th gen 5 speed with a Y-pipe, intake, and catback puts down 175-180fwhp and 185-190fwtq. Then you've got these very few 4th gens, people refer to as "factory freaks", that are cranking out 185-195fwhp and 195-205fwtq. I find it nearly impossible to believe that one 4th gen can come off the assembly line with 10+fwhp and 10+fwtq just because it's the luck of the draw. The VQ is put together with extremely high tolerances therefore the power difference between motors should be very minimal. Where do people really think this added power comes from? It can't be better castings in the intake manifold or exhaust manifolds because it's been shown that extrube honing either of these parts does nothing. The heads can't be any different unless some random worker, just for fun, decides to open up the intake and exhaust ports. It's not the cams. What else could it be?
The "Factory Freak" Maximas also seem to perform no better than the "factory average" Maximas. A 10fwhp and 10fwtq advantage is like adding another Y-pipe. If these Maximas were truely Factory freaks, they'd run freakishly. The truth is, they don't.
The 4th gen Maxima's that have run 14.2-14.4s aren't Factory Freaks. They are well driven cars on relatively decent tracks and under good conditions. ANY Maxima that is able to hit 94mph trap speeds is more than capable of hitting a 14.4. It's jsut dependant on driver and conditions. For every 1mph faster in the 1/4, you can shave off another .1-.15 in et.
Dave
From what I've seen on this site, on average, a 4th gen 5 speed with a Y-pipe, intake, and catback puts down 175-180fwhp and 185-190fwtq. Then you've got these very few 4th gens, people refer to as "factory freaks", that are cranking out 185-195fwhp and 195-205fwtq. I find it nearly impossible to believe that one 4th gen can come off the assembly line with 10+fwhp and 10+fwtq just because it's the luck of the draw. The VQ is put together with extremely high tolerances therefore the power difference between motors should be very minimal. Where do people really think this added power comes from? It can't be better castings in the intake manifold or exhaust manifolds because it's been shown that extrube honing either of these parts does nothing. The heads can't be any different unless some random worker, just for fun, decides to open up the intake and exhaust ports. It's not the cams. What else could it be?
The "Factory Freak" Maximas also seem to perform no better than the "factory average" Maximas. A 10fwhp and 10fwtq advantage is like adding another Y-pipe. If these Maximas were truely Factory freaks, they'd run freakishly. The truth is, they don't.
The 4th gen Maxima's that have run 14.2-14.4s aren't Factory Freaks. They are well driven cars on relatively decent tracks and under good conditions. ANY Maxima that is able to hit 94mph trap speeds is more than capable of hitting a 14.4. It's jsut dependant on driver and conditions. For every 1mph faster in the 1/4, you can shave off another .1-.15 in et.
Dave
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Damn!!
Two post today!!!
Exactly!!!
Exactly!!!
Originally posted by Dave B
Like I've said before, a dyno is tuning tool. You tune your car on the dyno, that's all. It's not there to compare your "hard numbers" to someone else's "hard numbers" fourteen states away. All dynos read a little differently therefore it is essential to dyno on the same machine to gauge performance increases/decreases.
From what I've seen on this site, on average, a 4th gen 5 speed with a Y-pipe, intake, and catback puts down 175-180fwhp and 185-190fwtq. Then you've got these very few 4th gens, people refer to as "factory freaks", that are cranking out 185-195fwhp and 195-205fwtq. I find it nearly impossible to believe that one 4th gen can come off the assembly line with 10+fwhp and 10+fwtq just because it's the luck of the draw. The VQ is put together with extremely high tolerances therefore the power difference between motors should be very minimal. Where do people really think this added power comes from? It can't be better castings in the intake manifold or exhaust manifolds because it's been shown that extrube honing either of these parts does nothing. The heads can't be any different unless some random worker, just for fun, decides to open up the intake and exhaust ports. It's not the cams. What else could it be?
The "Factory Freak" Maximas also seem to perform no better than the "factory average" Maximas. A 10fwhp and 10fwtq advantage is like adding another Y-pipe. If these Maximas were truely Factory freaks, they'd run freakishly. The truth is, they don't.
The 4th gen Maxima's that have run 14.2-14.4s aren't Factory Freaks. They are well driven cars on relatively decent tracks and under good conditions. ANY Maxima that is able to hit 94mph trap speeds is more than capable of hitting a 14.4. It's jsut dependant on driver and conditions. For every 1mph faster in the 1/4, you can shave off another .1-.15 in et.
Dave
Like I've said before, a dyno is tuning tool. You tune your car on the dyno, that's all. It's not there to compare your "hard numbers" to someone else's "hard numbers" fourteen states away. All dynos read a little differently therefore it is essential to dyno on the same machine to gauge performance increases/decreases.
From what I've seen on this site, on average, a 4th gen 5 speed with a Y-pipe, intake, and catback puts down 175-180fwhp and 185-190fwtq. Then you've got these very few 4th gens, people refer to as "factory freaks", that are cranking out 185-195fwhp and 195-205fwtq. I find it nearly impossible to believe that one 4th gen can come off the assembly line with 10+fwhp and 10+fwtq just because it's the luck of the draw. The VQ is put together with extremely high tolerances therefore the power difference between motors should be very minimal. Where do people really think this added power comes from? It can't be better castings in the intake manifold or exhaust manifolds because it's been shown that extrube honing either of these parts does nothing. The heads can't be any different unless some random worker, just for fun, decides to open up the intake and exhaust ports. It's not the cams. What else could it be?
The "Factory Freak" Maximas also seem to perform no better than the "factory average" Maximas. A 10fwhp and 10fwtq advantage is like adding another Y-pipe. If these Maximas were truely Factory freaks, they'd run freakishly. The truth is, they don't.
The 4th gen Maxima's that have run 14.2-14.4s aren't Factory Freaks. They are well driven cars on relatively decent tracks and under good conditions. ANY Maxima that is able to hit 94mph trap speeds is more than capable of hitting a 14.4. It's jsut dependant on driver and conditions. For every 1mph faster in the 1/4, you can shave off another .1-.15 in et.
Dave
ok...I think I have sorted things out a little bit.
First of all, I recently installed my rubber floor mats in my car for the winter. I noticed today that the driver one gets itself up under the accelerator pedal and doesn't allow the pedal to go all the way to the floor. Hence not allowing my car to achieve full throttle That's issue number 1
Issue number 2:
A few monthes ago we tried to re-set Adam's (Chi99Limited) ECU in his car...but found that there is NO SCREW on the ECU...in fact the ecu looks different from mine. As far as I know, all stock 4th gen ECUs have that little screw. Is there anyway that he could have gotten some aftermarket ECU with his car and not known about it. (he got his car used and it already had a few mods on it) I know there isn't any commercially available ECU for the 97-99 max....but who knows.....
PhatGuy - MAX2000JP ran his car with a leaky y-pipe in 90 degree heat and high humidity....so his time is not really indicitive of how fast his car really is. His y-pipe is fixed now...and he had his ECU reprogrammed by Nissan.
First of all, I recently installed my rubber floor mats in my car for the winter. I noticed today that the driver one gets itself up under the accelerator pedal and doesn't allow the pedal to go all the way to the floor. Hence not allowing my car to achieve full throttle That's issue number 1
Issue number 2:
A few monthes ago we tried to re-set Adam's (Chi99Limited) ECU in his car...but found that there is NO SCREW on the ECU...in fact the ecu looks different from mine. As far as I know, all stock 4th gen ECUs have that little screw. Is there anyway that he could have gotten some aftermarket ECU with his car and not known about it. (he got his car used and it already had a few mods on it) I know there isn't any commercially available ECU for the 97-99 max....but who knows.....
PhatGuy - MAX2000JP ran his car with a leaky y-pipe in 90 degree heat and high humidity....so his time is not really indicitive of how fast his car really is. His y-pipe is fixed now...and he had his ECU reprogrammed by Nissan.
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
ok...I think I have sorted things out a little bit.
First of all, I recently installed my rubber floor mats in my car for the winter. I noticed today that the driver one gets itself up under the accelerator pedal and doesn't allow the pedal to go all the way to the floor. Hence not allowing my car to achieve full throttle That's issue number 1
Issue number 2:
A few monthes ago we tried to re-set Adam's (Chi99Limited) ECU in his car...but found that there is NO SCREW on the ECU...in fact the ecu looks different from mine. As far as I know, all stock 4th gen ECUs have that little screw. Is there anyway that he could have gotten some aftermarket ECU with his car and not known about it. (he got his car used and it already had a few mods on it) I know there isn't any commercially available ECU for the 97-99 max....but who knows.....
PhatGuy - MAX2000JP ran his car with a leaky y-pipe in 90 degree heat and high humidity....so his time is not really indicitive of how fast his car really is. His y-pipe is fixed now...and he had his ECU reprogrammed by Nissan.
ok...I think I have sorted things out a little bit.
First of all, I recently installed my rubber floor mats in my car for the winter. I noticed today that the driver one gets itself up under the accelerator pedal and doesn't allow the pedal to go all the way to the floor. Hence not allowing my car to achieve full throttle That's issue number 1
Issue number 2:
A few monthes ago we tried to re-set Adam's (Chi99Limited) ECU in his car...but found that there is NO SCREW on the ECU...in fact the ecu looks different from mine. As far as I know, all stock 4th gen ECUs have that little screw. Is there anyway that he could have gotten some aftermarket ECU with his car and not known about it. (he got his car used and it already had a few mods on it) I know there isn't any commercially available ECU for the 97-99 max....but who knows.....
PhatGuy - MAX2000JP ran his car with a leaky y-pipe in 90 degree heat and high humidity....so his time is not really indicitive of how fast his car really is. His y-pipe is fixed now...and he had his ECU reprogrammed by Nissan.
#2 For his ECU not to have a screw on it.. it would have to be a stand alone ECU.. their are no stand alone ECU's out for the 99 at this time.. not even reprogrammed stock ECU's.. so i am not sure.. i would ask another SE-L owner to double check to see if they have the screw also.. and please please.. get that car dyno'd ASAP..
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
Issue number 2:
A few monthes ago we tried to re-set Adam's (Chi99Limited) ECU in his car...but found that there is NO SCREW on the ECU...in fact the ecu looks different from mine. As far as I know, all stock 4th gen ECUs have that little screw. Is there anyway that he could have gotten some aftermarket ECU with his car and not known about it. (he got his car used and it already had a few mods on it) I know there isn't any commercially available ECU for the 97-99 max....but who knows.....
Issue number 2:
A few monthes ago we tried to re-set Adam's (Chi99Limited) ECU in his car...but found that there is NO SCREW on the ECU...in fact the ecu looks different from mine. As far as I know, all stock 4th gen ECUs have that little screw. Is there anyway that he could have gotten some aftermarket ECU with his car and not known about it. (he got his car used and it already had a few mods on it) I know there isn't any commercially available ECU for the 97-99 max....but who knows.....
Originally posted by SprintMax
#1 Also .. check your WOT switch for your NOS.. make sure that it is allowing you to go WOT.. when i installed my NOS.. i took the switch out too far.. and i notice that i couldn't walk my cousin's 97 5spd SE anymore after installing the NOS (not using it) till one day i met up with dmbmaxima aka Steve at the pike and we are comparing engine bay's and he says to me.. dude.. your switch is out too far.. after he adjusted it.. i raced my cousin again and i could walk him again..
#2 For his ECU not to have a screw on it.. it would have to be a stand alone ECU.. their are no stand alone ECU's out for the 99 at this time.. not even reprogrammed stock ECU's.. so i am not sure.. i would ask another SE-L owner to double check to see if they have the screw also.. and please please.. get that car dyno'd ASAP..
#1 Also .. check your WOT switch for your NOS.. make sure that it is allowing you to go WOT.. when i installed my NOS.. i took the switch out too far.. and i notice that i couldn't walk my cousin's 97 5spd SE anymore after installing the NOS (not using it) till one day i met up with dmbmaxima aka Steve at the pike and we are comparing engine bay's and he says to me.. dude.. your switch is out too far.. after he adjusted it.. i raced my cousin again and i could walk him again..
#2 For his ECU not to have a screw on it.. it would have to be a stand alone ECU.. their are no stand alone ECU's out for the 99 at this time.. not even reprogrammed stock ECU's.. so i am not sure.. i would ask another SE-L owner to double check to see if they have the screw also.. and please please.. get that car dyno'd ASAP..
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Originally posted by max7
Second I want a crack at this guy just not on the street, because for a Wheaton cop got me for speeding this morning so I refuse to go fast on the road for some time now. Hey let's take everyone to the track and I'll find a way to beat him. Better yet lets get Neal to race him. The way Neal get's things done none of us have a chance. I'll call you soon as I get cought up with my crap. I hate going to school and working, too much stuff to do! Take care!
Second I want a crack at this guy just not on the street, because for a Wheaton cop got me for speeding this morning so I refuse to go fast on the road for some time now. Hey let's take everyone to the track and I'll find a way to beat him. Better yet lets get Neal to race him.
The way Neal get's things done none of us have a chance. I'll call you soon as I get cought up with my crap. I hate going to school and working, too much stuff to do! Take care!
. Yea i dont know what the deal with my car is, its too fast for what it is. A while back i posted about klling my buddies TL-S , and people didnt believe this. What i did to the Acura and Brian's care arent supposed to happen in an auto with my mods. During the summer i am gonna for sure take my car and run the 1/4 and possibly dyno the car. I am supposed to race my friends 97 auto m3 this weekend, if i beeat this i think it is safe to say i have a factory freak.
Originally posted by CHI99Limited
I dont think you can handle a race with me. Yea i dont know what the deal with my car is, its too fast for what it is. A while back i posted about klling my buddies TL-S , and people didnt believe this. What i did to the Acura and Brian's care arent supposed to happen in an auto with my mods. During the summer i am gonna for sure take my car and run the 1/4 and possibly dyno the car. I am supposed to race my friends 97 auto m3 this weekend, if i beeat this i think it is safe to say i have a factory freak.
I dont think you can handle a race with me
. Yea i dont know what the deal with my car is, its too fast for what it is. A while back i posted about klling my buddies TL-S , and people didnt believe this. What i did to the Acura and Brian's care arent supposed to happen in an auto with my mods. During the summer i am gonna for sure take my car and run the 1/4 and possibly dyno the car. I am supposed to race my friends 97 auto m3 this weekend, if i beeat this i think it is safe to say i have a factory freak.
I'm impressed to say the least. I'm glad that a fellow automagic can land the smackdown like you did because I know I couldn't.
here is a theory for you.. which only a dyno can prove..
the 5th Gen ECU has remapped fuel maps and advanced timing.. so that would be like a JWT/UPRD/STILLEN ECU for a 4th Gen..
so maybe he has a 5th ECU.. which would make him have more than 190 hp stock.. hmmmm.. just a theory..
the 5th Gen ECU has remapped fuel maps and advanced timing.. so that would be like a JWT/UPRD/STILLEN ECU for a 4th Gen..
so maybe he has a 5th ECU.. which would make him have more than 190 hp stock.. hmmmm.. just a theory..
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Originally posted by SprintMax
here is a theory for you.. which only a dyno can prove..
the 5th Gen ECU has remapped fuel maps and advanced timing.. so that would be like a JWT/UPRD/STILLEN ECU for a 4th Gen..
so maybe he has a 5th ECU.. which would make him have more than 190 hp stock.. hmmmm.. just a theory..
here is a theory for you.. which only a dyno can prove..
the 5th Gen ECU has remapped fuel maps and advanced timing.. so that would be like a JWT/UPRD/STILLEN ECU for a 4th Gen..
so maybe he has a 5th ECU.. which would make him have more than 190 hp stock.. hmmmm.. just a theory..
yeah Kev said the 5th Gen's have no screw.. so it might be..
Originally posted by CHI99Limited
I think my car was made very late in the model year. I believe it mas made in May of 99....do you think they may have started using a 5th gen ecu? I don't think the guy i bought it from was into performance, he just had the aero kit and muffler put on. I am gonna have to take this thing ad get a dyno one day. Maybe we can get a gruop deal going one day, Brian?
I think my car was made very late in the model year. I believe it mas made in May of 99....do you think they may have started using a 5th gen ecu? I don't think the guy i bought it from was into performance, he just had the aero kit and muffler put on. I am gonna have to take this thing ad get a dyno one day. Maybe we can get a gruop deal going one day, Brian?
Originally posted by Maximamike
I think its funny you guys think stand alone ECU's are dependant on the year of your car. LOL
I think its funny you guys think stand alone ECU's are dependant on the year of your car. LOL
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Originally posted by black019
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ok...so after what I experienced tonight on the way home from work....either my rubber mat under my gas pedal REALLY hurt me yesterday, or his car is truely a factory freak. I ran a 320hp (one with the projector headlights) 3000GT VR-4 from a 30 roll tonight....and he ONLY pulled a half car to 90mph....this is after I cut a section out of my floor mat today Something tells me that Chi99Limited is NOT going to beat a VR-4 from a roll....
Something tells me that Chi99Limited is NOT going to beat a VR-4 from a roll....
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
ok...so after what I experienced tonight on the way home from work....either my rubber mat under my gas pedal REALLY hurt me yesterday, or his car is truely a factory freak. I ran a 320hp (one with the projector headlights) 3000GT VR-4 from a 30 roll tonight....and he ONLY pulled a half car to 90mph....this is after I cut a section out of my floor mat today Something tells me that Chi99Limited is NOT going to beat a VR-4 from a roll....
ok...so after what I experienced tonight on the way home from work....either my rubber mat under my gas pedal REALLY hurt me yesterday, or his car is truely a factory freak. I ran a 320hp (one with the projector headlights) 3000GT VR-4 from a 30 roll tonight....and he ONLY pulled a half car to 90mph....this is after I cut a section out of my floor mat today
Something tells me that Chi99Limited is NOT going to beat a VR-4 from a roll....
I was under the impression that 99 ECUs did not have screws in them. Maybe thats only true for LATE 99 models or something. There was a post about this the other day. Similar to some of the VERY early 95s being OBD-I vs all others being OBD-II? Thats my theory.
99.5 maximas have a lot of parts from a 2000.
i have a screw in my ecu.. my car is early 99 actually ...12/98
so the 5th gen ecu is a possible theory.. hmmm i wonder if that will work will all forth gens...
who know a junk yard where we can get an ecu?
i have a screw in my ecu.. my car is early 99 actually ...12/98
so the 5th gen ecu is a possible theory.. hmmm i wonder if that will work will all forth gens...
who know a junk yard where we can get an ecu?
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Originally posted by SprintMax
I cover more states than 3 .. NY/NJ/PA/CT/MA/RI/NH
just call me KOTNE .. King of the North East
I cover more states than 3 .. NY/NJ/PA/CT/MA/RI/NH
just call me KOTNE .. King of the North East
HAHA i guess that means i'm still the king of DELAWARE!!!
...or does delaware really count?
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Originally posted by Cumalot
You ever raced the 99SE-L auto before this time? What was the result if you did race him?
Very weird, I can't come up with an explanation. You sure all he had was an intake and ypipe? He must be one of the fastest NA auto if he is as fast as you say he is.
You ever raced the 99SE-L auto before this time? What was the result if you did race him?
Very weird, I can't come up with an explanation. You sure all he had was an intake and ypipe? He must be one of the fastest NA auto if he is as fast as you say he is.
Mine's even faster. 1999 SE-L FIVE-SPEED