Harassed by the cops this past weekend
Originally posted by Jeff92se
Deezo. That's not really the point at all. It's about racial profiling and the double standard treatment that minorities get in this particular neighborhood.
Apparently everyone can't figure this out.
Deezo. That's not really the point at all. It's about racial profiling and the double standard treatment that minorities get in this particular neighborhood.
Apparently everyone can't figure this out.
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I don't want to beat a dead horse but,
In some areas of the country, racial profiling is necessary.
But probably not in New England. It is obvious in this case that Baller was pulled over for no appparent reason other than reasonable suspicion by the cop. The cop realized the reg was expired only AFTER pullin Baller over. In this case, the cop's instinct was correct. SOMETHING was illegal. (the expired reg).
But, having the car towed away was really not necessary.
In this case, yes, the cop was a racist. It is a fact of life. There are good people and there are bad people. But luckily, there are more good people than bad people. Let's hope it stays that way.
As far as racial profiling is concerned, I'm for it even though I'm asian. Race just happens to be a part of the oveall profiling picture. You all would be surprised how many criminals cops catch by randomly pulling cars over according to the profile. Not just minorities, but serious white criminals as well. In places like NY and LA, there is a serious problem with young asian criminals. If cops can catch those serious criminals by pulling over suspicuous looking people, then I dont' mind being pulled over for once in a while.
But in this case, the cop was a racist. Absolutely no need to tow the car.
But probably not in New England. It is obvious in this case that Baller was pulled over for no appparent reason other than reasonable suspicion by the cop. The cop realized the reg was expired only AFTER pullin Baller over. In this case, the cop's instinct was correct. SOMETHING was illegal. (the expired reg).
But, having the car towed away was really not necessary.
In this case, yes, the cop was a racist. It is a fact of life. There are good people and there are bad people. But luckily, there are more good people than bad people. Let's hope it stays that way.
As far as racial profiling is concerned, I'm for it even though I'm asian. Race just happens to be a part of the oveall profiling picture. You all would be surprised how many criminals cops catch by randomly pulling cars over according to the profile. Not just minorities, but serious white criminals as well. In places like NY and LA, there is a serious problem with young asian criminals. If cops can catch those serious criminals by pulling over suspicuous looking people, then I dont' mind being pulled over for once in a while.
But in this case, the cop was a racist. Absolutely no need to tow the car.
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Re: I don't want to beat a dead horse but,
Funny..
Originally posted by ArcticMax
In some areas of the country, racial profiling is necessary.
But probably not in New England. It is obvious in this case that Baller was pulled over for no appparent reason other than reasonable suspicion by the cop. The cop realized the reg was expired only AFTER pullin Baller over. In this case, the cop's instinct was correct. SOMETHING was illegal. (the expired reg).
But, having the car towed away was really not necessary.
In this case, yes, the cop was a racist. It is a fact of life. There are good people and there are bad people. But luckily, there are more good people than bad people. Let's hope it stays that way.
As far as racial profiling is concerned, I'm for it even though I'm asian. Race just happens to be a part of the oveall profiling picture. You all would be surprised how many criminals cops catch by randomly pulling cars over according to the profile. Not just minorities, but serious white criminals as well. In places like NY and LA, there is a serious problem with young asian criminals. If cops can catch those serious criminals by pulling over suspicuous looking people, then I dont' mind being pulled over for once in a while.
But in this case, the cop was a racist. Absolutely no need to tow the car.
In some areas of the country, racial profiling is necessary.
But probably not in New England. It is obvious in this case that Baller was pulled over for no appparent reason other than reasonable suspicion by the cop. The cop realized the reg was expired only AFTER pullin Baller over. In this case, the cop's instinct was correct. SOMETHING was illegal. (the expired reg).
But, having the car towed away was really not necessary.
In this case, yes, the cop was a racist. It is a fact of life. There are good people and there are bad people. But luckily, there are more good people than bad people. Let's hope it stays that way.
As far as racial profiling is concerned, I'm for it even though I'm asian. Race just happens to be a part of the oveall profiling picture. You all would be surprised how many criminals cops catch by randomly pulling cars over according to the profile. Not just minorities, but serious white criminals as well. In places like NY and LA, there is a serious problem with young asian criminals. If cops can catch those serious criminals by pulling over suspicuous looking people, then I dont' mind being pulled over for once in a while.
But in this case, the cop was a racist. Absolutely no need to tow the car.
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THIS MAY BE HELPFUL TO ANYONE LIVING IN ONTARIO, CANADA!
Originally posted by ßaller
Me and three other of my friends (they all asian like me) had just left a friends birthday party from Wrights Farm. It was in Cumberland, Rhode Island which happens to be an all white middle-upperclass neighborhood. I was at a stop light, and there was a cop behind a van on the other side of the intersection facing towards me.
Light turns green and I go, and after about 2 miles, I see lights in my rearview. The car behinds me pulls to the side of the road, and so did I, hoping he was passing me, but that was not the case. I put the car in park, ebrake up, interior light on, front windows rolled down, and got my insurance, registration and license ready.
Now here is how this goes, to the best of my knowledge:
Cop 1: He comes knocking my driver side rear window, and so my friend rolls it down.
Cop 1 says to my friend in back, "Where's your ID?"
Friend says: "Here it is"
Cop 1: He is now speaking to my friends brother, in the back also.
Cop 1: "Where's your ID?"
Friend's Bro: "I don't have one."
Cop 1: "What!"
Friend's Bro: "I don't have one, I am only 16."
Cop 1: "Your 18!? (yelling at him emphatically)"
Friend's Bro: "No, I'm 16. (nervous)"
Cop 2: "Put your hands on the headrest (talking to my friends in the back)."
Cop 1: "You in the front passenger seat, got an ID?"
Friend in passenger seat: "Yes" (and hands it to me, and I hand it to the cop).
Officer: He is speaking to me, "License and Registration."
Me: "Here you go sir."
After 10 mins, checking all our IDs, too see if we had any records, which none of us do.
Cop 1: "Do you know your registration is expired?"
Me: "No I do not (I knew it was expired, but had no money to get it done, I am still unemployed)."
Cop 1 and 2: "We have to tow the car."
Cop 2: Says to my friend in passenger seat, "you're going to need that to call someone to get you," referring to his cell phone.
Cop 2: "You can start walking to Dunkin Donuts over there and call someone to get you (talking to all my friends, except me, so my friends leave, and I said hey, take my camera bag, and we put whatever expensive items from inside my car in it)."
Me: Still in car, have to wait for tow truck.
Cop 1: "Do you have anything illegal in the car?"
Me: "No."
Cop 1: "Get out of the car and go to the sidewalk"
Me: Standing at sidewalk
Cop 1: He uses his flashligjts looking inside my car from the outside.
Cop 1: "Put your hands over your head, do you have anything illegal on you?"
Me: "No, just my keys"
Cop 1: He frisked me.
Me: After cop 1 done frisking, I still had hands over head, I said "Is this how you treat a former state worker?"
Cop 2: "Where did you work?"
Me: "At the state's department of corrections."
Cop 2: "Doing what?"
Me: "I interned at the MIS, and I know the director well."
Cop 2: "Okay, and Cop 1 stops searching my car."
Cop 1: "You can put your hands dow now, and you can go to meet your friends at Dunkin Donut.:
So I get a fine for $50 for expire reg, and I had to pay tow expenses and 3 days stay. I got my car. This is where I was mad. This was at night time, and it is dark. There was no way the cop knew my registration was expired when I had my piaa fog lights on. If he knew it was, that would have been the first thing he would have said to me, "Son do you know you have expired registration stickers?" He did not. He just saw a bunch of chanks in a car, in an all white hood, they must be up to something. Shoot, it didnt help much that the first murder in the capital city was made by some asian thugs that looked like me and my friends, but that gives the cops no right to stop me and check our ids and friends, that is bs. If my reg was valid, I would have wonder what he pulled me over for, cus I did not do anything wrong. He only knew I had expired reg when he looked at my registration paper, he did not pay attention to my license plate which had the expired reg sticker. If I was informed by the cops initially that he pulled me over for this reason, or tells me later that it was the reason he pulled me over for, then fine, he is doing his job fairly, and not with bias. My friend gonna look for that **** the police song, and he gonna drive by their station playing it, and he's white.
Me and three other of my friends (they all asian like me) had just left a friends birthday party from Wrights Farm. It was in Cumberland, Rhode Island which happens to be an all white middle-upperclass neighborhood. I was at a stop light, and there was a cop behind a van on the other side of the intersection facing towards me.
Light turns green and I go, and after about 2 miles, I see lights in my rearview. The car behinds me pulls to the side of the road, and so did I, hoping he was passing me, but that was not the case. I put the car in park, ebrake up, interior light on, front windows rolled down, and got my insurance, registration and license ready.
Now here is how this goes, to the best of my knowledge:
Cop 1: He comes knocking my driver side rear window, and so my friend rolls it down.
Cop 1 says to my friend in back, "Where's your ID?"
Friend says: "Here it is"
Cop 1: He is now speaking to my friends brother, in the back also.
Cop 1: "Where's your ID?"
Friend's Bro: "I don't have one."
Cop 1: "What!"
Friend's Bro: "I don't have one, I am only 16."
Cop 1: "Your 18!? (yelling at him emphatically)"
Friend's Bro: "No, I'm 16. (nervous)"
Cop 2: "Put your hands on the headrest (talking to my friends in the back)."
Cop 1: "You in the front passenger seat, got an ID?"
Friend in passenger seat: "Yes" (and hands it to me, and I hand it to the cop).
Officer: He is speaking to me, "License and Registration."
Me: "Here you go sir."
After 10 mins, checking all our IDs, too see if we had any records, which none of us do.
Cop 1: "Do you know your registration is expired?"
Me: "No I do not (I knew it was expired, but had no money to get it done, I am still unemployed)."
Cop 1 and 2: "We have to tow the car."
Cop 2: Says to my friend in passenger seat, "you're going to need that to call someone to get you," referring to his cell phone.
Cop 2: "You can start walking to Dunkin Donuts over there and call someone to get you (talking to all my friends, except me, so my friends leave, and I said hey, take my camera bag, and we put whatever expensive items from inside my car in it)."
Me: Still in car, have to wait for tow truck.
Cop 1: "Do you have anything illegal in the car?"
Me: "No."
Cop 1: "Get out of the car and go to the sidewalk"
Me: Standing at sidewalk
Cop 1: He uses his flashligjts looking inside my car from the outside.
Cop 1: "Put your hands over your head, do you have anything illegal on you?"
Me: "No, just my keys"
Cop 1: He frisked me.
Me: After cop 1 done frisking, I still had hands over head, I said "Is this how you treat a former state worker?"
Cop 2: "Where did you work?"
Me: "At the state's department of corrections."
Cop 2: "Doing what?"
Me: "I interned at the MIS, and I know the director well."
Cop 2: "Okay, and Cop 1 stops searching my car."
Cop 1: "You can put your hands dow now, and you can go to meet your friends at Dunkin Donut.:
So I get a fine for $50 for expire reg, and I had to pay tow expenses and 3 days stay. I got my car. This is where I was mad. This was at night time, and it is dark. There was no way the cop knew my registration was expired when I had my piaa fog lights on. If he knew it was, that would have been the first thing he would have said to me, "Son do you know you have expired registration stickers?" He did not. He just saw a bunch of chanks in a car, in an all white hood, they must be up to something. Shoot, it didnt help much that the first murder in the capital city was made by some asian thugs that looked like me and my friends, but that gives the cops no right to stop me and check our ids and friends, that is bs. If my reg was valid, I would have wonder what he pulled me over for, cus I did not do anything wrong. He only knew I had expired reg when he looked at my registration paper, he did not pay attention to my license plate which had the expired reg sticker. If I was informed by the cops initially that he pulled me over for this reason, or tells me later that it was the reason he pulled me over for, then fine, he is doing his job fairly, and not with bias. My friend gonna look for that **** the police song, and he gonna drive by their station playing it, and he's white.
I am not sure about the laws of Maryland, BUT.. in Toronto... (TH
You are of no obligation to identify yourself without a police officer giving you a GOOD ENOUGH reason, he can NOT say, I just wnt to check you out. Most cops will use the excuse of "You look like somone we are looking for", and there is nothing you can do.
A cop MAY NOT search you for no reason, just because you are suspicious. He must have a search warrant, and/or you must be under ARREST, (but not necessarity charged). When he pulls you over, you don't need to show him your ID or any other papers unless he tells you WHY he pulled you over! Being frisked without a reason is ASSAULT on his bahalf!!! Your friend was wrong for not carrying an ID, since it is a LAW to carry a piece of ID on you AT ALL TIMES!
To search a vehicle is same as searching your home! IT IS YOUR PROPERTY! He must have a WARRANT, or as I said you must be under ARREST! Your car may be towed for having an expired reg., but it shouldn't. All he should do is give you a ticket. (DON"T FORGET, I AM ONLY SAYING THAT THIS IS THE WAY THINGS ARE LEGALY DONE IN TORONTO!).
It is not your problem to call the tow truck, but the cop's! He must ask you if there is a specific company truck you want to be called (LIKE AAA).
These cops acted improperly and they broke a few laws. But to be honest with you, there is very little you could have done. There must be a public complaint # for your Police departements, and if you complain, they will speak to the officers and lecture them, but not more! :P
Always get the cop's badge # and all other info he may provide you. Record the offence time and date and the details! If worst comes to worst, you may sue them or the police departement, or complain with your evidence, and the Police will be disciplined.
There are proper procedures to everything. If you need more info feel free to e-mail me, or just post another thread.
Just remember - THEY NEED WARRANTS, THEY MUST HAVE A REASONABLE GROUNDS, and you have a thing called THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS.
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not exactly...
Originally posted by NightRider
That's horrible. Did you or any of your friends get his badge number? If so, call a lawyer. That's harrassment. The first thing a police officer is supposed to do is tell you what he/she pulled you over for.
That's horrible. Did you or any of your friends get his badge number? If so, call a lawyer. That's harrassment. The first thing a police officer is supposed to do is tell you what he/she pulled you over for.
And ther is very little he will be able to do with a lawyer, since the judhe or anyone else will belief the Police Officers over a bunch of teenagers. Especially since they were in a high class neighbourhood. That's just a reality. He would have wasted his time and still lost his case.
Read my thread above. It explains things in more detail.
Originally posted by deezo
Baller to stop the stress, stop trying to make your point with people that don't know the laws in this area.
Baller to stop the stress, stop trying to make your point with people that don't know the laws in this area.
Yes we all know having an expired reg is illegal, as is illegal searching of my car withouy my consent. Some of you know the laws better than us.
BTW, Jeff, it was 4 asian dudes
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Originally posted by ßaller
You'r right Deez, I am gonna point them out to read the previous posts clearly. I am glad that I live near the capital city, where it is diverse.
Yes we all know having an expired reg is illegal, as is illegal searching of my car withouy my consent. Some of you know the laws better than us.
BTW, Jeff, it was 4 asian dudes
You'r right Deez, I am gonna point them out to read the previous posts clearly. I am glad that I live near the capital city, where it is diverse.
Yes we all know having an expired reg is illegal, as is illegal searching of my car withouy my consent. Some of you know the laws better than us.
BTW, Jeff, it was 4 asian dudes
Originally posted by ßaller
Yes we all know having an expired reg is illegal, as is illegal searching of my car withouy my consent. Some of you know the laws better than us.
Yes we all know having an expired reg is illegal, as is illegal searching of my car withouy my consent. Some of you know the laws better than us.
So I go to court and the punks are there and the judge is always on their side (kangaroo court). They do there little number with "The radar was calibrated, yadda yadda yadda" and the judge find you guilty or not guilty. I looked at the trooper infront of the judge and said to him, " You know things happened that night that shouldn't have" and he sat there with a scared look on his face. I was doing 70 in a 55 zone alonge with 15 other people. Whatever! They got me. So now when I go through RI for any reason, I get my dollars worth in MPH.
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Re: THIS MAY BE HELPFUL TO ANYONE LIVING IN ONTARIO, CANADA!
Actaully there are complaint forms at your local police station.. Of course they won't ever tell you that and they keep them at the station only.. They should keep them at libraries so ppl wont feel intimidated going to the police stations. Just get one and make copies for the future, IMHO..
Originally posted by Riot^
For future reference this may help:
I am not sure about the laws of Maryland, BUT.. in Toronto... (TH
You are of no obligation to identify yourself without a police officer giving you a GOOD ENOUGH reason, he can NOT say, I just wnt to check you out. Most cops will use the excuse of "You look like somone we are looking for", and there is nothing you can do.
A cop MAY NOT search you for no reason, just because you are suspicious. He must have a search warrant, and/or you must be under ARREST, (but not necessarity charged). When he pulls you over, you don't need to show him your ID or any other papers unless he tells you WHY he pulled you over! Being frisked without a reason is ASSAULT on his bahalf!!! Your friend was wrong for not carrying an ID, since it is a LAW to carry a piece of ID on you AT ALL TIMES!
To search a vehicle is same as searching your home! IT IS YOUR PROPERTY! He must have a WARRANT, or as I said you must be under ARREST! Your car may be towed for having an expired reg., but it shouldn't. All he should do is give you a ticket. (DON"T FORGET, I AM ONLY SAYING THAT THIS IS THE WAY THINGS ARE LEGALY DONE IN TORONTO!).
It is not your problem to call the tow truck, but the cop's! He must ask you if there is a specific company truck you want to be called (LIKE AAA).
These cops acted improperly and they broke a few laws. But to be honest with you, there is very little you could have done. There must be a public complaint # for your Police departements, and if you complain, they will speak to the officers and lecture them, but not more! :P
Always get the cop's badge # and all other info he may provide you. Record the offence time and date and the details! If worst comes to worst, you may sue them or the police departement, or complain with your evidence, and the Police will be disciplined.
There are proper procedures to everything. If you need more info feel free to e-mail me, or just post another thread.
Just remember - THEY NEED WARRANTS, THEY MUST HAVE A REASONABLE GROUNDS, and you have a thing called THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS.
For future reference this may help:
I am not sure about the laws of Maryland, BUT.. in Toronto... (TH
You are of no obligation to identify yourself without a police officer giving you a GOOD ENOUGH reason, he can NOT say, I just wnt to check you out. Most cops will use the excuse of "You look like somone we are looking for", and there is nothing you can do.
A cop MAY NOT search you for no reason, just because you are suspicious. He must have a search warrant, and/or you must be under ARREST, (but not necessarity charged). When he pulls you over, you don't need to show him your ID or any other papers unless he tells you WHY he pulled you over! Being frisked without a reason is ASSAULT on his bahalf!!! Your friend was wrong for not carrying an ID, since it is a LAW to carry a piece of ID on you AT ALL TIMES!
To search a vehicle is same as searching your home! IT IS YOUR PROPERTY! He must have a WARRANT, or as I said you must be under ARREST! Your car may be towed for having an expired reg., but it shouldn't. All he should do is give you a ticket. (DON"T FORGET, I AM ONLY SAYING THAT THIS IS THE WAY THINGS ARE LEGALY DONE IN TORONTO!).
It is not your problem to call the tow truck, but the cop's! He must ask you if there is a specific company truck you want to be called (LIKE AAA).
These cops acted improperly and they broke a few laws. But to be honest with you, there is very little you could have done. There must be a public complaint # for your Police departements, and if you complain, they will speak to the officers and lecture them, but not more! :P
Always get the cop's badge # and all other info he may provide you. Record the offence time and date and the details! If worst comes to worst, you may sue them or the police departement, or complain with your evidence, and the Police will be disciplined.
There are proper procedures to everything. If you need more info feel free to e-mail me, or just post another thread.
Just remember - THEY NEED WARRANTS, THEY MUST HAVE A REASONABLE GROUNDS, and you have a thing called THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS.
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You know
The ACLU is looking(still looking I think) for ppl who have been profiled on I95 by State Troopers.. You may want to check their site and file.
Originally posted by deezo
That's right! When the 2 homos that pulled my over on 95 (when I was driving my truck), they were looking to start with me. Asking me, "Where am I coming from?" I just straight said to the trooper, "What does that have to do with why you pulled me over? If you pulled me over for speeding, then give me a ticket for speeding. Why all the questions?" Yes, I did say this to the trooper and while I was talking to him, his partner has the never to probe his flashlight around my pickup bed and under my tarp. I saw the punk and I asked the trooper that I was talking with, "What does your partner think he's doing?" and then the punk stopped looking around.
So I go to court and the punks are there and the judge is always on their side (kangaroo court). They do there little number with "The radar was calibrated, yadda yadda yadda" and the judge find you guilty or not guilty. I looked at the trooper infront of the judge and said to him, " You know things happened that night that shouldn't have" and he sat there with a scared look on his face. I was doing 70 in a 55 zone alonge with 15 other people. Whatever! They got me. So now when I go through RI for any reason, I get my dollars worth in MPH.
That's right! When the 2 homos that pulled my over on 95 (when I was driving my truck), they were looking to start with me. Asking me, "Where am I coming from?" I just straight said to the trooper, "What does that have to do with why you pulled me over? If you pulled me over for speeding, then give me a ticket for speeding. Why all the questions?" Yes, I did say this to the trooper and while I was talking to him, his partner has the never to probe his flashlight around my pickup bed and under my tarp. I saw the punk and I asked the trooper that I was talking with, "What does your partner think he's doing?" and then the punk stopped looking around.
So I go to court and the punks are there and the judge is always on their side (kangaroo court). They do there little number with "The radar was calibrated, yadda yadda yadda" and the judge find you guilty or not guilty. I looked at the trooper infront of the judge and said to him, " You know things happened that night that shouldn't have" and he sat there with a scared look on his face. I was doing 70 in a 55 zone alonge with 15 other people. Whatever! They got me. So now when I go through RI for any reason, I get my dollars worth in MPH.
Re: You know
Originally posted by Washington DC Maxima
The ACLU is looking(still looking I think) for ppl who have been profiled on I95 by State Troopers.. You may want to check their site and file.
The ACLU is looking(still looking I think) for ppl who have been profiled on I95 by State Troopers.. You may want to check their site and file.
U wanna try me young boy?
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Forgive my ignorance
My mistake. When you said;
>He just saw a bunch of chanks in a car, in an all white hood, they must be up to something.
And I thought that you meant he was making his decision to pull you over based upon your race. My bad, apparently.
>He just saw a bunch of chanks in a car, in an all white hood, they must be up to something.
And I thought that you meant he was making his decision to pull you over based upon your race. My bad, apparently.
Re: Re: You know
Originally posted by ßaller
The Mass Stateys did their job. They were professional.
The Mass Stateys did their job. They were professional.
Re: Forgive my ignorance
Originally posted by Scruit
My mistake. When you said;
>He just saw a bunch of chanks in a car, in an all white hood, they must be up to something.
And I thought that you meant he was making his decision to pull you over based upon your race. My bad, apparently.
My mistake. When you said;
>He just saw a bunch of chanks in a car, in an all white hood, they must be up to something.
And I thought that you meant he was making his decision to pull you over based upon your race. My bad, apparently.
U wanna try me young boy?
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My experience with cops (which includes 8 different countries) has been generally good.
- Spanish police scare me, especially those that patrol the motorways. British truckers know that "ClinkClink" means that regardless of if you are legal you aren't going home until you post $3000 bail, and if you argue the toss they'll set the bail hearing for 3 months in the future.
- Don't mess with the police in Saudi Arabia.
- Omani police are just like Saudi. Let's not start with how Libyan cops treat you.
- British police seems to be very down-to-earth. This is good AND bad. If you mess with them, they'll mess with you. You can't give them crap excuses that work on US cops scared of lawsuits if they search ur car and you turn out to be a lawyer. I have been pulled over for 'excessive speed' 3 times around the UK and talked my way out each time.
- French cops don't have time to play about - they will nail ur *** to a wall for driving a semi on a sunday quicker than you can say; "Contact my country's Embassy!" Hint: At least *TRY* to speak french. Don't speak English at them - they HATE that. If you speak good french they will love you. If you speak bad french they will forgive you. If you ignore french and expect them to speak english then they will invent new laws on the spot to write you tickets for.
- US cops tend to be frightened witless of being either shot or sued. If you have a car full of black or hispanic teens in an area with a lot of gang activity then the cops are instantly going to treat you differently than the little old lady who was pulled for accidentally running a stop sign.
I've had cops in the USA approach me with hands on gun, and they hear me talking and you can see the tension leave their shoulders and their hand leave the gun (usually goes to the ticket book
) I take every opportunity to try to understand what's going on in a cop's mind. Some of it's good, some of it's bad, but all of it must be dealt with.
When I'm pulled over the US I usually signal my intent to stop as soon as I see the blues by waving to them and putting my hazards on. Then I stop as far right as poss so the cop can keep the cop car to the left of the shoulder to create a safety zone to talk at the driver's window. Then if it's night (and not raining) I wind all my windows down 'cos they're tinted and I don't want him/her to be worried that he can't see in the car. I put my dome light on, then put both hands on the top of the wheel and wait for the him/her. Start off answering all questions politely and such - always ask permission to reach for something - back pocket for licence, glovebox for registration - they are much less jumpy if you say; "My licence is in my back pocket and I have to reach for that, ok?" than if they say Licence and you start frantically digging in the seat behind you. All my US traffic cop have been good when I do all this stuff - they feel much safer, they always respond to my efforts to keep things simple and worry free. He does his job and I go home.
Your mileage may vary...
- Spanish police scare me, especially those that patrol the motorways. British truckers know that "ClinkClink" means that regardless of if you are legal you aren't going home until you post $3000 bail, and if you argue the toss they'll set the bail hearing for 3 months in the future.
- Don't mess with the police in Saudi Arabia.
- Omani police are just like Saudi. Let's not start with how Libyan cops treat you.
- British police seems to be very down-to-earth. This is good AND bad. If you mess with them, they'll mess with you. You can't give them crap excuses that work on US cops scared of lawsuits if they search ur car and you turn out to be a lawyer. I have been pulled over for 'excessive speed' 3 times around the UK and talked my way out each time.
- French cops don't have time to play about - they will nail ur *** to a wall for driving a semi on a sunday quicker than you can say; "Contact my country's Embassy!" Hint: At least *TRY* to speak french. Don't speak English at them - they HATE that. If you speak good french they will love you. If you speak bad french they will forgive you. If you ignore french and expect them to speak english then they will invent new laws on the spot to write you tickets for.
- US cops tend to be frightened witless of being either shot or sued. If you have a car full of black or hispanic teens in an area with a lot of gang activity then the cops are instantly going to treat you differently than the little old lady who was pulled for accidentally running a stop sign.
I've had cops in the USA approach me with hands on gun, and they hear me talking and you can see the tension leave their shoulders and their hand leave the gun (usually goes to the ticket book
) I take every opportunity to try to understand what's going on in a cop's mind. Some of it's good, some of it's bad, but all of it must be dealt with. When I'm pulled over the US I usually signal my intent to stop as soon as I see the blues by waving to them and putting my hazards on. Then I stop as far right as poss so the cop can keep the cop car to the left of the shoulder to create a safety zone to talk at the driver's window. Then if it's night (and not raining) I wind all my windows down 'cos they're tinted and I don't want him/her to be worried that he can't see in the car. I put my dome light on, then put both hands on the top of the wheel and wait for the him/her. Start off answering all questions politely and such - always ask permission to reach for something - back pocket for licence, glovebox for registration - they are much less jumpy if you say; "My licence is in my back pocket and I have to reach for that, ok?" than if they say Licence and you start frantically digging in the seat behind you. All my US traffic cop have been good when I do all this stuff - they feel much safer, they always respond to my efforts to keep things simple and worry free. He does his job and I go home.
Your mileage may vary...
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1 question
Do cops in other countries besides Canada Patrol HWY's as much as they do in the US??
Cops hands on gun is very common where else would they be.. I've had more cops point guns at me than criminals!!
Minorities in a white neighborhoods get pulled over more than anywhere else. Face it minorities are suspicious looking there is no reason for them to be around after dark since all the homes in this neighborhood were cleaned up by 5 pm..
Cops hands on gun is very common where else would they be.. I've had more cops point guns at me than criminals!!
Minorities in a white neighborhoods get pulled over more than anywhere else. Face it minorities are suspicious looking there is no reason for them to be around after dark since all the homes in this neighborhood were cleaned up by 5 pm..
Originally posted by Scruit
My experience with cops (which includes 8 different countries) has been generally good.
- Spanish police scare me, especially those that patrol the motorways. British truckers know that "ClinkClink" means that regardless of if you are legal you aren't going home until you post $3000 bail, and if you argue the toss they'll set the bail hearing for 3 months in the future.
- Don't mess with the police in Saudi Arabia.
- Omani police are just like Saudi. Let's not start with how Libyan cops treat you.
- British police seems to be very down-to-earth. This is good AND bad. If you mess with them, they'll mess with you. You can't give them crap excuses that work on US cops scared of lawsuits if they search ur car and you turn out to be a lawyer. I have been pulled over for 'excessive speed' 3 times around the UK and talked my way out each time.
- French cops don't have time to play about - they will nail ur *** to a wall for driving a semi on a sunday quicker than you can say; "Contact my country's Embassy!" Hint: At least *TRY* to speak french. Don't speak English at them - they HATE that. If you speak good french they will love you. If you speak bad french they will forgive you. If you ignore french and expect them to speak english then they will invent new laws on the spot to write you tickets for.
- US cops tend to be frightened witless of being either shot or sued. If you have a car full of black or hispanic teens in an area with a lot of gang activity then the cops are instantly going to treat you differently than the little old lady who was pulled for accidentally running a stop sign.
I've had cops in the USA approach me with hands on gun, and they hear me talking and you can see the tension leave their shoulders and their hand leave the gun (usually goes to the ticket book ) I take every opportunity to try to understand what's going on in a cop's mind. Some of it's good, some of it's bad, but all of it must be dealt with.
When I'm pulled over the US I usually signal my intent to stop as soon as I see the blues by waving to them and putting my hazards on. Then I stop as far right as poss so the cop can keep the cop car to the left of the shoulder to create a safety zone to talk at the driver's window. Then if it's night (and not raining) I wind all my windows down 'cos they're tinted and I don't want him/her to be worried that he can't see in the car. I put my dome light on, then put both hands on the top of the wheel and wait for the him/her. Start off answering all questions politely and such - always ask permission to reach for something - back pocket for licence, glovebox for registration - they are much less jumpy if you say; "My licence is in my back pocket and I have to reach for that, ok?" than if they say Licence and you start frantically digging in the seat behind you. All my US traffic cop have been good when I do all this stuff - they feel much safer, they always respond to my efforts to keep things simple and worry free. He does his job and I go home.
Your mileage may vary...
My experience with cops (which includes 8 different countries) has been generally good.
- Spanish police scare me, especially those that patrol the motorways. British truckers know that "ClinkClink" means that regardless of if you are legal you aren't going home until you post $3000 bail, and if you argue the toss they'll set the bail hearing for 3 months in the future.
- Don't mess with the police in Saudi Arabia.
- Omani police are just like Saudi. Let's not start with how Libyan cops treat you.
- British police seems to be very down-to-earth. This is good AND bad. If you mess with them, they'll mess with you. You can't give them crap excuses that work on US cops scared of lawsuits if they search ur car and you turn out to be a lawyer. I have been pulled over for 'excessive speed' 3 times around the UK and talked my way out each time.
- French cops don't have time to play about - they will nail ur *** to a wall for driving a semi on a sunday quicker than you can say; "Contact my country's Embassy!" Hint: At least *TRY* to speak french. Don't speak English at them - they HATE that. If you speak good french they will love you. If you speak bad french they will forgive you. If you ignore french and expect them to speak english then they will invent new laws on the spot to write you tickets for.
- US cops tend to be frightened witless of being either shot or sued. If you have a car full of black or hispanic teens in an area with a lot of gang activity then the cops are instantly going to treat you differently than the little old lady who was pulled for accidentally running a stop sign.
I've had cops in the USA approach me with hands on gun, and they hear me talking and you can see the tension leave their shoulders and their hand leave the gun (usually goes to the ticket book
) I take every opportunity to try to understand what's going on in a cop's mind. Some of it's good, some of it's bad, but all of it must be dealt with. When I'm pulled over the US I usually signal my intent to stop as soon as I see the blues by waving to them and putting my hazards on. Then I stop as far right as poss so the cop can keep the cop car to the left of the shoulder to create a safety zone to talk at the driver's window. Then if it's night (and not raining) I wind all my windows down 'cos they're tinted and I don't want him/her to be worried that he can't see in the car. I put my dome light on, then put both hands on the top of the wheel and wait for the him/her. Start off answering all questions politely and such - always ask permission to reach for something - back pocket for licence, glovebox for registration - they are much less jumpy if you say; "My licence is in my back pocket and I have to reach for that, ok?" than if they say Licence and you start frantically digging in the seat behind you. All my US traffic cop have been good when I do all this stuff - they feel much safer, they always respond to my efforts to keep things simple and worry free. He does his job and I go home.
Your mileage may vary...
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Re: 1 question
Originally posted by Washington DC Maxima
Do cops in other countries besides Canada Patrol HWY's as much as they do in the US??
Do cops in other countries besides Canada Patrol HWY's as much as they do in the US??
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just to add a few points to this discussion
The cops in Toronto do patrol the highways, but not too heavily. If you get cought though, sit back for a while, and wait for the ticket.
Almost all cops are power hungry and a lot a corrupt. There is a lot of **** that goes on behind the scenes no one hears about or knows about - and nothing anyone will do about.
Being asked many questions is a standard procedure, I do it too. This is an easy way to find out if you are lying about something, and to profile you. You have the right (in CANADA) to refuse to answer questions, but that will send a bad idea to the officer. He will either think you are hiding something, and will act on it by making up a story to search you and the car, and harrass you more, or he will think you know ytour stuff and acting smart with him, in which case you will get smacked with a heavy ticket, if not 2 or 3.
That's just reality, but remember there are nice cops out there, that do this to make your life better. Remember that!!!
Almost all cops are power hungry and a lot a corrupt. There is a lot of **** that goes on behind the scenes no one hears about or knows about - and nothing anyone will do about.
Being asked many questions is a standard procedure, I do it too. This is an easy way to find out if you are lying about something, and to profile you. You have the right (in CANADA) to refuse to answer questions, but that will send a bad idea to the officer. He will either think you are hiding something, and will act on it by making up a story to search you and the car, and harrass you more, or he will think you know ytour stuff and acting smart with him, in which case you will get smacked with a heavy ticket, if not 2 or 3.
That's just reality, but remember there are nice cops out there, that do this to make your life better. Remember that!!!
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I could talk all day about questions regarding why did they do that?, there 's always a reason. Earlier someone mentioned the "punks" pulled him over and were asking him a bunch of questions that had nothing to do with why they stopped him. There is a reason for that. Ant good cop would ask those questions. Join the academy if you want to find out. I could right 10 pages on this board answering questions from everyone crying "bad police" and questioning their tactics. I assure you ITS ALL FOR A REASON. As far as profiling in the Chicago area, 99% of it is totally legit. In other words NOT PROFILING. Do a ride along here and listen to the radio for a while. These are calls coming in from citizens who are victims of crime. 19 out of 20 have 1 thing in common. The offender is Black. This is in regards to Chicago. You cant call it anything else, so dont get bent out of shape about. I work in a Black area, hence 99% of the people I stop are Black. In addition, based on my experience, which the courts have held up as reason to stop someone when you have nothing else, I've found that almost every White person I stop in the area has narcotics on him. There is no reason to be in this hood unless you live there or you are trying to acquire drugs. Period. Based on this I stop alot of white people on my beat. Just for being white. This along with any other reason I can articulate is enough. Is this racial profiling? Not according to the courts . If you can articulate the reasons for the stop, its legit. Dont call it something else. Many of you need to ride along a squad because you're only seeing one side of the picture here.
gotta go to work, can we talk about cars now?
gotta go to work, can we talk about cars now?
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Re: Re: 1 question
What about the other countries you listed?
Our Troopers aren't too bad, IMHO, it's those local yocals that I don't like.. Out of the 20 of my DWB's and 10 regular pull overs most have been local cops the state boys even the red necks have been very good except one but he was a super rookie..
Our cops need more training morso than more cops.. But I'm crazy so don't listen to me..
Our Troopers aren't too bad, IMHO, it's those local yocals that I don't like.. Out of the 20 of my DWB's and 10 regular pull overs most have been local cops the state boys even the red necks have been very good except one but he was a super rookie..
Our cops need more training morso than more cops.. But I'm crazy so don't listen to me..
Originally posted by Scruit
UK Cops have a specific Traffic division for patrolling freeways etc. Regular cops without the months of dedicated driver training to become Level 2 or Level 1 driver just use patrol cars to respond to other stuff. "Go and catch an armed robber" doesn't work - it's not their job...
UK Cops have a specific Traffic division for patrolling freeways etc. Regular cops without the months of dedicated driver training to become Level 2 or Level 1 driver just use patrol cars to respond to other stuff. "Go and catch an armed robber" doesn't work - it's not their job...
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??
Unless your a minority or black person in that community you patrol you'll never see the other side of it either, Right? Do a ride along with a black dude.. That'll never happen..
Originally posted by pete7226
I could talk all day about questions regarding why did they do that?, there 's always a reason. Earlier someone mentioned the "punks" pulled him over and were asking him a bunch of questions that had nothing to do with why they stopped him. There is a reason for that. Ant good cop would ask those questions. Join the academy if you want to find out. I could right 10 pages on this board answering questions from everyone crying "bad police" and questioning their tactics. I assure you ITS ALL FOR A REASON. As far as profiling in the Chicago area, 99% of it is totally legit. In other words NOT PROFILING. Do a ride along here and listen to the radio for a while. These are calls coming in from citizens who are victims of crime. 19 out of 20 have 1 thing in common. The offender is Black. This is in regards to Chicago. You cant call it anything else, so dont get bent out of shape about. I work in a Black area, hence 99% of the people I stop are Black. In addition, based on my experience, which the courts have held up as reason to stop someone when you have nothing else, I've found that almost every White person I stop in the area has narcotics on him. There is no reason to be in this hood unless you live there or you are trying to acquire drugs. Period. Based on this I stop alot of white people on my beat. Just for being white. This along with any other reason I can articulate is enough. Is this racial profiling? Not according to the courts . If you can articulate the reasons for the stop, its legit. Dont call it something else. Many of you need to ride along a squad because you're only seeing one side of the picture here.
gotta go to work, can we talk about cars now?
I could talk all day about questions regarding why did they do that?, there 's always a reason. Earlier someone mentioned the "punks" pulled him over and were asking him a bunch of questions that had nothing to do with why they stopped him. There is a reason for that. Ant good cop would ask those questions. Join the academy if you want to find out. I could right 10 pages on this board answering questions from everyone crying "bad police" and questioning their tactics. I assure you ITS ALL FOR A REASON. As far as profiling in the Chicago area, 99% of it is totally legit. In other words NOT PROFILING. Do a ride along here and listen to the radio for a while. These are calls coming in from citizens who are victims of crime. 19 out of 20 have 1 thing in common. The offender is Black. This is in regards to Chicago. You cant call it anything else, so dont get bent out of shape about. I work in a Black area, hence 99% of the people I stop are Black. In addition, based on my experience, which the courts have held up as reason to stop someone when you have nothing else, I've found that almost every White person I stop in the area has narcotics on him. There is no reason to be in this hood unless you live there or you are trying to acquire drugs. Period. Based on this I stop alot of white people on my beat. Just for being white. This along with any other reason I can articulate is enough. Is this racial profiling? Not according to the courts . If you can articulate the reasons for the stop, its legit. Dont call it something else. Many of you need to ride along a squad because you're only seeing one side of the picture here.
gotta go to work, can we talk about cars now?
Re: ??
Originally posted by Washington DC Maxima
Unless your a minority or black person in that community you patrol you'll never see the other side of it either, Right? Do a ride along with a black dude.. That'll never happen..
Unless your a minority or black person in that community you patrol you'll never see the other side of it either, Right? Do a ride along with a black dude.. That'll never happen..
Anyways, I will be watching Combat Missions tonight on USA Network.
Originally posted by pete7226
I could talk all day about questions regarding why did they do that?, there 's always a reason. Earlier someone mentioned the "punks" pulled him over and were asking him a bunch of questions that had nothing to do with why they stopped him. There is a reason for that. Ant good cop would ask those questions. Join the academy if you want to find out. I could right 10 pages on this board answering questions from everyone crying "bad police" and questioning their tactics. I assure you ITS ALL FOR A REASON. As far as profiling in the Chicago area, 99% of it is totally legit. In other words NOT PROFILING. Do a ride along here and listen to the radio for a while. These are calls coming in from citizens who are victims of crime. 19 out of 20 have 1 thing in common. The offender is Black. This is in regards to Chicago. You cant call it anything else, so dont get bent out of shape about. I work in a Black area, hence 99% of the people I stop are Black. In addition, based on my experience, which the courts have held up as reason to stop someone when you have nothing else, I've found that almost every White person I stop in the area has narcotics on him. There is no reason to be in this hood unless you live there or you are trying to acquire drugs. Period. Based on this I stop alot of white people on my beat. Just for being white. This along with any other reason I can articulate is enough. Is this racial profiling? Not according to the courts . If you can articulate the reasons for the stop, its legit. Dont call it something else. Many of you need to ride along a squad because you're only seeing one side of the picture here.
gotta go to work, can we talk about cars now?
I could talk all day about questions regarding why did they do that?, there 's always a reason. Earlier someone mentioned the "punks" pulled him over and were asking him a bunch of questions that had nothing to do with why they stopped him. There is a reason for that. Ant good cop would ask those questions. Join the academy if you want to find out. I could right 10 pages on this board answering questions from everyone crying "bad police" and questioning their tactics. I assure you ITS ALL FOR A REASON. As far as profiling in the Chicago area, 99% of it is totally legit. In other words NOT PROFILING. Do a ride along here and listen to the radio for a while. These are calls coming in from citizens who are victims of crime. 19 out of 20 have 1 thing in common. The offender is Black. This is in regards to Chicago. You cant call it anything else, so dont get bent out of shape about. I work in a Black area, hence 99% of the people I stop are Black. In addition, based on my experience, which the courts have held up as reason to stop someone when you have nothing else, I've found that almost every White person I stop in the area has narcotics on him. There is no reason to be in this hood unless you live there or you are trying to acquire drugs. Period. Based on this I stop alot of white people on my beat. Just for being white. This along with any other reason I can articulate is enough. Is this racial profiling? Not according to the courts . If you can articulate the reasons for the stop, its legit. Dont call it something else. Many of you need to ride along a squad because you're only seeing one side of the picture here.
gotta go to work, can we talk about cars now?
I believe I was the one who said they were asking me a lot of questions when they had nothing to do with what happened but prove to me that "What were you doing in NY?" has anything to do with going 15 miles over the limit on 95 in RI. Please prove this for me. Here in MA, I've been pulled over for speeding and this is how it went:
I get pulled over at 1:30am while I was driving my limo
Cop: Can I see your license and registration?
Already out so I handed it to him
Cop: I pulled you over because you were drivng a littl fast and you were swerving a bit.
I was tired so while I was drivng with my knees, I was splashing my face with bottle water.
Me: I haven't been drinking or anything. I've just made a drop off in Newport RI and I've had a long day. So I'm just trying to get home.
The cop checks me out and I'm clean so he gives me a warning and sends me on my way.
This cop did his job the way he was supposed to. Who knows, maybe he would have treated me different if I didn't have a suit on but hey, I was happy with his professionalism.
Tell me how "100 questions to find you guilty of something" is what they're supposed to do and tell me what police training has told you that. I know my ****, trust me. So come correct.
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Re: Re: ??
Originally posted by ßaller
I have an Italian friend whom got shot in the hand
I have an Italian friend whom got shot in the hand
Re: Re: Re: ??
Originally posted by Frank Fontaine
You seem to know a lot of people who have run-ins with the law. Anyway, c'mon down to Canal, Pell, Doyers, Easu boway. You will often see 2 chinese officers who have people pulled over. I think it's good when the community is served by people of the same origin. That way the issue is simply whether or not the law has been broken. Also, officers can use all their resources in apprehension.
You seem to know a lot of people who have run-ins with the law. Anyway, c'mon down to Canal, Pell, Doyers, Easu boway. You will often see 2 chinese officers who have people pulled over. I think it's good when the community is served by people of the same origin. That way the issue is simply whether or not the law has been broken. Also, officers can use all their resources in apprehension.
Regarding my friends. I have many friends. I have seen crooked cops that steal jewelry at houses that they were investigating after a roberry, it was my house when I was younger. I don't control what other people do, I can only control myself. Do you think I am a thug? Although if you see me, and my "oriental bastard crew" (inside joke with northeastern org members), you prolly think that. You're right, alot of people are surprised to see a young thug like me working at the States Dept. of Correction. Usually they perceive me as being on the other side of the bar. Stupid stuff like that does'nt bother me, I can care less what other people think of me.
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It's only going to get worse
Sorry to hear of your run-in. The sad fact is, things just got worse given the recent Supreme Court case described below.
As you'll read in the case, certain behaviors like -- are you ready for this? -- slowing down when you see a cop, may give the police enough reason to pull you over.
The potential for abuse in this situation is extraordinary.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...167jan16.story
As you'll read in the case, certain behaviors like -- are you ready for this? -- slowing down when you see a cop, may give the police enough reason to pull you over.
The potential for abuse in this situation is extraordinary.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...167jan16.story
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deezo, thats exactly why they ask you. Anyone can ask you anything, cops included. Its up to you if you want to answer or not. And as for your former NYPD friend, their laws in NY might be different. In Illinois, you cannot resist like I said in my earlier post. Go to your locally library and read the statute if you dont believe me. Myself unlike some others on this board dont make statements without knowing what the hell I'm talking about. I also have a law degree, so dont tell me I dont know about policing laws. Anyhow, every one is entitled to their own opinion.
Good nite.
Good nite.
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Re: It's only going to get worse
Originally posted by plockton
Sorry to hear of your run-in. The sad fact is, things just got worse given the recent Supreme Court case described below.
As you'll read in the case, certain behaviors like -- are you ready for this? -- slowing down when you see a cop, may give the police enough reason to pull you over.
The potential for abuse in this situation is extraordinary.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...167jan16.story
Sorry to hear of your run-in. The sad fact is, things just got worse given the recent Supreme Court case described below.
As you'll read in the case, certain behaviors like -- are you ready for this? -- slowing down when you see a cop, may give the police enough reason to pull you over.
The potential for abuse in this situation is extraordinary.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...167jan16.story
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Originally posted by Neice Anne
You have a JD and you decided to be a pig? wtf?
You have a JD and you decided to be a pig? wtf?
The entire chase is on tape yet he is suing the City of Philadelphia and I believe Rodney King's attorney is representing him. On a local level the elderly couple that got carjacked says what about us, we're the victims not him. They lost their only means of transportation.
Again, I'm a liberal, but I can write you dissertations showing why affirmative action and the minimum wage actually harm those they were intended to help. Just like the farm parity program. We don't have a perfect world and never will. Racism is dead wrong, it's applied by the unintelligent. But it's just as bad when people cry wolf or threaten to hold their breaths until they turn blue, or see ghost shadows for that matter. Maybe it's something as sinmple as maturity and growing up, who really knows.
Originally posted by pete7226
deezo, thats exactly why they ask you. Anyone can ask you anything, cops included. Its up to you if you want to answer or not. And as for your former NYPD friend, their laws in NY might be different. In Illinois, you cannot resist like I said in my earlier post. Go to your locally library and read the statute if you dont believe me. Myself unlike some others on this board dont make statements without knowing what the hell I'm talking about. I also have a law degree, so dont tell me I dont know about policing laws. Anyhow, every one is entitled to their own opinion.
Good nite.
deezo, thats exactly why they ask you. Anyone can ask you anything, cops included. Its up to you if you want to answer or not. And as for your former NYPD friend, their laws in NY might be different. In Illinois, you cannot resist like I said in my earlier post. Go to your locally library and read the statute if you dont believe me. Myself unlike some others on this board dont make statements without knowing what the hell I'm talking about. I also have a law degree, so dont tell me I dont know about policing laws. Anyhow, every one is entitled to their own opinion.
Good nite.
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Sorry to hear about what happened to you...
But honestly I don't think it was that extreme. I've been treated that way a few times now, as have many of my friends and it's almost like a standard procedure to NYPD. I don't see how that was much of a harassment. If your sticker was expired, and he gave you a ticket for it, maybe he did see it.. maybe he didn't
but it was expired and you got the ticket, so there is nothing he did wrong about that. And they are supposed to tow the car as far as I know. Ofcourse the rough attitude is bull****, but that's not too bad, at least he didn't curse and shiet. I was pulled over, along with my friends car, searched, car was searched thoroughly, and like 8-9 cops all together, then interrogated, accused of having/doing drugs.. then finding nothing they all just piled up in their cars and bounced. There have been some other pretty rediculous incidents, but I don't think they were racially profiling, just because you are asian and you're in a white neighborhood it doesn't automatically mean the cop pulled you over just based on that, but it's very possible. If the cop is suspicious, they will follow you and probably run your plates.. Take it easy, they didn't beat you or verbally abuse you. **** happens, I know some cops need lessons on how to be a little more polite, but in general they do a good job and are in a tough line of work..
But honestly I don't think it was that extreme. I've been treated that way a few times now, as have many of my friends and it's almost like a standard procedure to NYPD. I don't see how that was much of a harassment. If your sticker was expired, and he gave you a ticket for it, maybe he did see it.. maybe he didn't
but it was expired and you got the ticket, so there is nothing he did wrong about that. And they are supposed to tow the car as far as I know. Ofcourse the rough attitude is bull****, but that's not too bad, at least he didn't curse and shiet. I was pulled over, along with my friends car, searched, car was searched thoroughly, and like 8-9 cops all together, then interrogated, accused of having/doing drugs.. then finding nothing they all just piled up in their cars and bounced. There have been some other pretty rediculous incidents, but I don't think they were racially profiling, just because you are asian and you're in a white neighborhood it doesn't automatically mean the cop pulled you over just based on that, but it's very possible. If the cop is suspicious, they will follow you and probably run your plates.. Take it easy, they didn't beat you or verbally abuse you. **** happens, I know some cops need lessons on how to be a little more polite, but in general they do a good job and are in a tough line of work..
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Classic example and proof of profiling
The 4-year-old criminal case that brought racial profiling to the nation's attention ended Monday with a slap on the wrist for two New Jersey State Troopers charged in the 1998 shooting of four unarmed men, in which three were seriously injured.
After opening fire on a van carrying three black men and a Latino man heading to a basketball game along the New Jersey Turnpike, troopers John Hogan,32, and James Kenna,31, were originally charged with aggravated assault. Kenna was also charged with attempted murder.
Yet, in a decision that as outraged community activists, the two officers will forego prison and probation in exchange for pleading guilty to misdemeanor charges.
The Department of Justice agreed not to prosecute the officers, who were ordered to pay a $280 fine and were barred from serving as New Jersey state troopers.
The officers claimed they were following department policy and were instructed to target minority motorists, who, they were told, were more likely to use highways to traffic drugs.
But the officers' confession doesn't totally let them off the hook. Both men pleded guilty to obstructing the investigation by lying to internal affairs about the incident immediately following the shooting. They also admitted to falsifying reports to conceal the fact that they were targeting black and Latino motorists.
But what has angered residents and community leaders most is a fine they consider insignificant when compared to the seriousness of the incident.
The $280 penalty is a far cry from the $12.9 million settlement that the state attorney general's office paid to the four victims. Based on the fine, the officers paid an equivalent of $70 for each of the victim's pain and suffering. Two of the shooting victims, Jarmaine Grant, 26, and Danny Reyes, 24, still have bullets lodged in their bodies. One of the bullets is so close to the spine of one of the victims that doctors refused to operate for fear of paralyzing him. The third victim, Rayshawn Brown, 23, has paralysis in two fingers on his right hand.
The officers claim that after they stopped the van it backed up, knocking Hogan to the ground, and in self-defense they fired 11 shots into the vehicle. The driver, who was not injured, maintained that it was an accident.
The incident brought a long-suspected practice by law enforcement to the forefront. Since the shooting, countless newspaper articles, magazine features, and books have been written on racial profiling in an effort to draw attention to its dangers. For decades now New Jersey has remained at the center of the controversy, largely because its famed New Jersey Turnpike has gained an infamous reputation.
In addition to the ruling earlier this week, last spring the attorney general testified before a state senate hearing that the practice of racial profiling is still a problem among troopers within the ranks. An investigation by State Supreme Court Justice Peter G. Verniero, who presided as attorney general at the time of the shooting, led to New Jersey becoming the first state to acknowledge that its law enforcement practiced racial profiling.
After opening fire on a van carrying three black men and a Latino man heading to a basketball game along the New Jersey Turnpike, troopers John Hogan,32, and James Kenna,31, were originally charged with aggravated assault. Kenna was also charged with attempted murder.
Yet, in a decision that as outraged community activists, the two officers will forego prison and probation in exchange for pleading guilty to misdemeanor charges.
The Department of Justice agreed not to prosecute the officers, who were ordered to pay a $280 fine and were barred from serving as New Jersey state troopers.
The officers claimed they were following department policy and were instructed to target minority motorists, who, they were told, were more likely to use highways to traffic drugs.
But the officers' confession doesn't totally let them off the hook. Both men pleded guilty to obstructing the investigation by lying to internal affairs about the incident immediately following the shooting. They also admitted to falsifying reports to conceal the fact that they were targeting black and Latino motorists.
But what has angered residents and community leaders most is a fine they consider insignificant when compared to the seriousness of the incident.
The $280 penalty is a far cry from the $12.9 million settlement that the state attorney general's office paid to the four victims. Based on the fine, the officers paid an equivalent of $70 for each of the victim's pain and suffering. Two of the shooting victims, Jarmaine Grant, 26, and Danny Reyes, 24, still have bullets lodged in their bodies. One of the bullets is so close to the spine of one of the victims that doctors refused to operate for fear of paralyzing him. The third victim, Rayshawn Brown, 23, has paralysis in two fingers on his right hand.
The officers claim that after they stopped the van it backed up, knocking Hogan to the ground, and in self-defense they fired 11 shots into the vehicle. The driver, who was not injured, maintained that it was an accident.
The incident brought a long-suspected practice by law enforcement to the forefront. Since the shooting, countless newspaper articles, magazine features, and books have been written on racial profiling in an effort to draw attention to its dangers. For decades now New Jersey has remained at the center of the controversy, largely because its famed New Jersey Turnpike has gained an infamous reputation.
In addition to the ruling earlier this week, last spring the attorney general testified before a state senate hearing that the practice of racial profiling is still a problem among troopers within the ranks. An investigation by State Supreme Court Justice Peter G. Verniero, who presided as attorney general at the time of the shooting, led to New Jersey becoming the first state to acknowledge that its law enforcement practiced racial profiling.
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Listen you 'tard ... I warned the forums already... next time someone calls a police officer a "pig", gets the thread locked and deleted.
I'm only keeping this thread open because Baller has a valid point and everyone except you were able to carry on a decent discussion without reverting to name calling.
Thanks to this comment, you now get all your comments deleted from this thread. If you should post up again in this thread, apologizing or even (however unlikely) praising a police officer, you get that comment deleted.
I'm only keeping this thread open because Baller has a valid point and everyone except you were able to carry on a decent discussion without reverting to name calling.
Thanks to this comment, you now get all your comments deleted from this thread. If you should post up again in this thread, apologizing or even (however unlikely) praising a police officer, you get that comment deleted.
Originally posted by Neice Anne
You have a JD and you decided to be a pig? wtf?
You have a JD and you decided to be a pig? wtf?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: ??
Yep, I agree with you.. They should be your neighborhood cops instead of some cop hiding behind his badge and living 20 miles from his beat. Granted I wouldn't want to live in the hood if I don't have to. Also, communities need to work together morso than a cop walkin' around overseeing ppl like slaves.. In reality cops aren't really needed if the communities would step up, IMHO.
Originally posted by ßaller
Frank it's not even about that. If an asian officer pulled me and did the same thing, it is still wrong and I still would have posted this thread anyways. I don't care what race the cop is, if the cop acted the way he did, he still "profiled" me in that area. I agree having same ethnicity cops in the area helps. I rather have a local officer in the community, and if he happens to be white, it's kewl. Like another issue of teachers. Why not promote more teachers in the school district, the same for cops.
Regarding my friends. I have many friends. I have seen crooked cops that steal jewelry at houses that they were investigating after a roberry, it was my house when I was younger. I don't control what other people do, I can only control myself. Do you think I am a thug? Although if you see me, and my "oriental bastard crew" (inside joke with northeastern org members), you prolly think that. You're right, alot of people are surprised to see a young thug like me working at the States Dept. of Correction. Usually they perceive me as being on the other side of the bar. Stupid stuff like that does'nt bother me, I can care less what other people think of me.
Frank it's not even about that. If an asian officer pulled me and did the same thing, it is still wrong and I still would have posted this thread anyways. I don't care what race the cop is, if the cop acted the way he did, he still "profiled" me in that area. I agree having same ethnicity cops in the area helps. I rather have a local officer in the community, and if he happens to be white, it's kewl. Like another issue of teachers. Why not promote more teachers in the school district, the same for cops.
Regarding my friends. I have many friends. I have seen crooked cops that steal jewelry at houses that they were investigating after a roberry, it was my house when I was younger. I don't control what other people do, I can only control myself. Do you think I am a thug? Although if you see me, and my "oriental bastard crew" (inside joke with northeastern org members), you prolly think that. You're right, alot of people are surprised to see a young thug like me working at the States Dept. of Correction. Usually they perceive me as being on the other side of the bar. Stupid stuff like that does'nt bother me, I can care less what other people think of me.
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Originally posted by pete7226
Lets clear some things up..............
Lets clear some things up..............
Man I feel for ya baller, but pete's right. Plus the ofcs that pulled you over were probably in a bad mood, it comes with the territory I guess, I work at the PD down here and have been on ride alongs since Im going to be working with the Dept of Law Enforcement after college (police the police), and some ofc's dont have much paitience during the nocturnal hours, and im not saying they're not bias or racist, but that may be the case there, hell I've been pulled over in ARKANSAS!, Im asian, heh, I was on my best behavior, the officer was a complete **** at first but try not to be sarcastic towards him, heh, he asked for license and registration, all FL plates and documents, he was suspicious, He wanted to search the car, I said sure!, BTW, here's my Police Dept ID, and the number of my supervisor, call him for verification... He didnt continue the search after that, he didnt even bother to call me in, heh I handed him the dept # and all, you wouldnt believe how nice he was afterwards, we traded police stories and he told me what to expect being in Law Enforcement. It usually race that turns the people into suspects, maybe you fit a profile etc. but all and all I see how your hurt man. Plus, The sheriff who pulled me over in ARK, didnt even tell my why, we just said C-YA and that was that. NO TICKET THOUGH
Race is the cause for profiling and its stupid. I mean, how many rich whites break the law with their money laundering and drug trafficing? Yeah, people look at me in the streets and probably think I'm a hoodrat too but I go to work everyday and work for one of the top investment firms in the world and have investments. People don't know that and nor do I need to tell them. Profiling does not help to catch the real criminals in this country. It's just a head hunt to make "oppressed" people feel more oppressed.
Stupidity will never allow people to be free in this world.
Stupidity will never allow people to be free in this world.
U wanna try me young boy?
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Originally posted by deezo
Race is the cause for profiling and its stupid. I mean, how many rich whites break the law with their money laundering and drug trafficing? Yeah, people look at me in the streets and probably think I'm a hoodrat too but I go to work everyday and work for one of the top investment firms in the world and have investments. People don't know that and nor do I need to tell them. Profiling does not help to catch the real criminals in this country. It's just a head hunt to make "oppressed" people feel more oppressed.
Stupidity will never allow people to be free in this world.
Race is the cause for profiling and its stupid. I mean, how many rich whites break the law with their money laundering and drug trafficing? Yeah, people look at me in the streets and probably think I'm a hoodrat too but I go to work everyday and work for one of the top investment firms in the world and have investments. People don't know that and nor do I need to tell them. Profiling does not help to catch the real criminals in this country. It's just a head hunt to make "oppressed" people feel more oppressed.
Stupidity will never allow people to be free in this world.
I'm sure we all agree a riced-out honda stands out...
The best thing to do is blend in, and you'll be cool. I know that you can't really change some things, easily or at all - race, the car you drive, the visible mods etc. If I get pulled over driving in a black hood then I know it's prolly 'cos of my race - because I stand out. Heck, I've been pulled over for; "You look a little young to be driving a car like this..." ( That was many moons ago...
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Originally posted by Scruit
IN discussion with cops I have heard many say that they are suspicious of anything that stands out. A black kid in a white hood - or a white kid in a black hood... A car that reacts inappropriately to the sight of a copcar...
IN discussion with cops I have heard many say that they are suspicious of anything that stands out. A black kid in a white hood - or a white kid in a black hood... A car that reacts inappropriately to the sight of a copcar...
In reality, clothing should have nothing to do with whats suspicious. I man/woman running from a bank with a bag in his/her hand after an alarmed was sounded should make a cop suspicious. So in those discussions with the cops you were talking to need to go back to training.
The best thing to do is blend in, and you'll be cool. )