I drove my friend's M3 the other weekend and the handling was amazing, this weekend i'll be getting my H&R's and KYB AGX's installed, do you think a 4th gen with FTSB, RSB, Springs and struts will be able to handle as well as a STOCK bmw?

 

Since the two cars you mention are about as different as they come, it's a hard decision to make. The M3 was built stock to handle very, very well. It's what the maxima strives to be when modded. But the inherent differences in drivelines and rear suspensions will not be easily overcome with the maxima.

On another note, if you can't drive, having a F1 car won't help much either.

 

with all those mods ,you will have equal or better handling than a stock m3, but slap on some coilovers on the m3 and watch it take the twisties in the distance ahead of you

 

I dunno, even a retard can drive an f1 car through GT3 and still pass the first two leagues with ease

Sprint said he'd outhandled an M3 with his springs, FSTB, RSB, struts and umm ... magic robot powers?

You'll never be the exact same because of the design differences, but you should be in the same ballpark.

 

Nope probably not. Even with 17 rims/tires, he probably won't be as good. Consider the E36 M3 already comes w/ 17" rims and 235 or 245 Michelins. Good luck.

 

yeah and you know what..

Michael Shumacher(sp) could out handle you driving an m3 and he had a stock maxima driving in the twisties

don't sleep on my risk taking and driving ability.. like i said before.. Medic, Deezo, My Cousin (best damn driver i have seen) are a few people that i have seen drive a car to its limits..

just because i can outhandle stuff.. doesn't mean the driver wasn't pusss

but anyway.. according to my cousin who drives the GS4 he says my car is pulling about 1G on the skidpad with 18's or shall i say buttskidpad

don't sleep sonny.. my baby handles like crazy.. watch the pike video.. in the beginning and the end.. where everyone gets lost around the corner.. i mean lost..

 

What are you smoking bro? ..a maxima with all the sway/strut bars and shocks/springs WON'T ever have equal or better handling than a stock M3. You obviously will have a very stable maxima will all those mods but saying that it's handling will be equal to or better than a stock M3's is just asking for it.

 

you are wrong


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The problem is this: The M3 has great balance (50/50 weight distribution) that no amount of coilovers, shocks and wheel/tire combos can create. You will be able to reduce the body roll, adjust the camber, use stiffer shocks, put down bigger rubber, etc. But the physics are still there. And trying to get a FWD car to handle that well through a turn is not easy, either.

Good luck, boys. It is still a front wheel drive car with a lot of chassis flex and front biased weight distribution.

 

thats with equal drivers.. of course nothing beats RWD no mater what you do to a FWD car..

but the question is.. can a maxima with full suspension mods out handle an m3? the answer is YES..

bring it boys

 

Well Sprint I know you've outhandled an M on the twisties and what not, but still to say that a maxima with a FSTB/RSB/springs/shocks/performance tires will handle AS GOOD or BETTER than an M3 is not a legit statement (at least not in my opinion). Sure it will stick to the road like glue and you'll be right up there with the bimmer on a curve, and depending on the drivers of both cars the max might even beat the M (like you say you did). But if you had the ***** to go over 120 mph on the curve and the person driving the M3 didn't, that doesn't mean that you "out-handled" him. Because if he would've kept pushing it I'm sure he also would've zoomed through the curve without a problem like you did. But like I said, when both cars have crazy grip, it's upto the driver at that point. So for argument sake, a maxima with all those mods will have enough grip/stability to take a car like an M3 and depending on the DRIVER you might beat the M, simple as that. And like you said in your other post, Michael Shumacher(sp) could outhandle you if you were driving an M3 and he was driving a hyndai elantra or something.

 

I guess its me that makes up for it

Group Deal on Me?

 

In this hypothetical situation if you have two cars that are in the same ballpark it comes down to driver ability. If the driver really knows what he is doing and is in tune with his/her car then that's where I would place my bet.

 

so you are betting on me baby?

 

Of course....is ther anyone else? Naw I didn't think so either.....

 

 

Yeah basically...so you admit that at that point it depends on the DRIVER, and I still say a modded maxima WON'T outhandle a stock M3. ..think of it this way, if there was a sprintmax driving a maxima (you), and there was also a sprintmax driving an M3 (your long lost good twin or something), both on the twisties...who would win? Now don't say you're better than your twin, we're talking same EXACT abilities on each driver's part, only difference is the car they're driving. All I have to say there is if an M3 wasn't capable of doing much more than a modded maxima, then it wouldn't be an M3.

 

I am better than my twin

the Maxima can NEVER LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

im actually on sprints side here, my car has similar mods and it has mad handling

 

Yes I agree it is driver ability. I drove a BMW for 5 years (have 3 in the driveway now.) Now I drive the Max (no mods). So from my experience of driving a BMW and a Max with my driver's ability (not!! ) I think it still boils down to driver and you have a better chance of finding exact cars than 2 drivers with exact ability. But I see what your saying....

 

that reminds me.. my friend steph in GA has a 3 also.. she runs her own company too

 

CAN you put DuraLube in your gastank? Yes you can!

 

Really...you have women everywhere?????? That's cool

 

my ex-fiance lives in Snellville GA hmm .. seems like women keep running from me to GA

 

lol well ofcourse with those mods your car will have mad handling, but the whole argument here is that whether a modded max will outhandle a stock M3, which I keep saying NO to (not that anyone cares but it is about opinions here isn't it ). I always dig the handling on my friend's 330i (stock), and a lot of slightly modded max's maybe come close to that, but lets keep in mind that the 330i is probably sh*t compared to the M3. So if after doing a lot of my suspension mods (RSB/FSTB/RSTB/AGX's), I now think that I can give that 330 a run for it's money on the twisties, and with springs and better tires I probably will be able to beat him, but that doesn't mean that my car is handling as good as an M3!! ..but all in all it's the driver, not the car, and we'll leave it at that. And sprint you're not better than your twin.

 

gotta have an entire state to handle them all, huh?

 

yes i am that damn good

 

You could lower a Maxima until it has no ground clearance, put all sorts of sub-braces on, and such, and it may outhandle an M3. But the whole point of BMW's is that they handle well, and they RIDE WELL. Who can say their modded Maxima has a smooth ride compared to a BMW? Even if a car can pull a few hundreth g's less on the skidpad, if it rides smoother and doesn't jar your kidneys on the expansion joints, it is much easier to push to the limit.

I've driven 3 and 5 series, with and without sport package, and I must say that very few cars come close to the combination of ride and handling of BMW's. It's amazing how those cars ride so smooth with 17 and 18" wheels. You get what you pay for when you buy a bimmer. And you get what you pay for when you buy a Maxima. Now, for some people that extra $20g's is not worth the step up to a BMW from a Maxima...so be it. But I don't think you can spend less to upgrade to another car with the BMW's overall combination of ride and handling. So enjoy your Maxima and let people enjoy their BMW's.

 

Stop making sense! It confuses people! :P

 

EXACTLYYY, that's what I'm saying. Bimmer's ride so SMOOTH even with sport suspension and yet the control is amazing, and look at the maxima's supposed "SE" suspension, need I say more. But hey I still love my max, but bimmer is bimmer.

 

It's exactly as sprintmax says....when I was stock I beat my friend in a 3000GT VR4 up a canyon. He couldn't hang with me. Handling has soooo much to do with driver skill....just look at autocross races. I beat C5 vettes all the time at those. I don't think a maxima outhandles those!!!

But on the BMW note, I just drove a 1992 325i yesterday. My 2K maxima with a FSTB and RSB would destroy that thing in the corners.

 

I'm agreeing with Sprint on this one. I have Cattman Coilovers (modified) With 300 lbs. springs in the front and 175 lbs. springs in the back. The spring rates were chosen to give me maximum ride comfort while lowered 2.25 inches. Corner weights were used to determine the offset in weight balance. According to my spring rates, I have 50/50 weight distribution, even though realistically is more like 60/40. I also have the more traditional susp. mods. FSTB, RSTB, and RSB. I can definitely outhandle an M3. I have done so before. My ride is not the best yet, but I'm still working on that. I won't argue that BMWs can offer the best handling while keeping a nice ride.

 

Shouldn't expect it just apples and oranges. As long as steering has anything to do with handling, no can do. Argumentably the E36 M3 handles better than the E46. I've driven 3 of them and it's about as good as it gets. Don't know anyone crazy enough to get the E46 M3 though. Too much money, way too much. It's not cool right now to scream wealth, and hasn't been for about 1 1/2 years.

 

Maxima handle as well as an M3 - not in this life - or any other - mods or not. Max can be very good, M3 starts out better than that.
(From a BMWCCA track instructor with a 2k max)

 

 

Go to an autocross and try both cars out. Then go to a track and try both cars out. I guarantee, the M3 will post faster numbers on both. Max is too front heavy for tossing but the M3 handles like Maaaaaad.

 

A max with springs/shocks FSTB, RSB and grippy tires will definatly pull higher G's in a corner and a max will have a faster slolam time. Don't believe me? MT tested a 96 maxima SMX and in pulled .91 G's in the skid pad and I believe 71.3{maybe 70.3} MPH in the slalom.

This does not mean a max would be faster in a rode corse though{M3 power and RWD is a huge addvantige}.

With the supension mods in my sig my max handles incredibly well, I can't wait to slap on some over sized tires .

 

I would have to agree with this and Sprintmax. My friend runs an M3... and I know for certain he will not take the corners as hard as I do with my max. He's knows the rear end will break loose on a hard corner, where as the max will just pull through the turn.

I'm not saying the max is better or equal to an M3, but I do think a max can equal if not better than an M3 on cornering. ESPECIALLY when conditions are less than perfect.

Seems to me M3s are better, just in a different way.

 

El Jeffo needs to el locko this crappy threado