What would be the ULTIMATE wheel/tire combo for optimum performance?
01-31-2002, 10:17 AM
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What would be the ULTIMATE wheel/tire combo for optimum performance?
Yeah what I said in the subject.. I'm in the market for some 17" rims and some nice Z-rated performance tires (have to be all season since I live in NYC). I'm all about performance, don't care if they're the best looking (but ofcourse can't look like sh*t either). I don't really know much about the types of wheels available out there and what's considered good and what's not, but as for tires I've had Dunlop SP5000's in mind for a while. So all the know-it-all's out there, what would be the best 17" wheel/tire combo which'll give me the handling and grip that I'm looking for and make everyone go 
. $$ isn't really an object. All opinions and suggestions will be appreciated. 
. $$ isn't really an object. All opinions and suggestions will be appreciated.
01-31-2002, 10:37 AM
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I am new to the aftermarket rim and tire market myself and will be watching this post. I have rims and have yet to purchase tires. I bought 17x7.5 Konig Toxxins. They are not the lightest rims (17lbs) but look real good IMO. Right now I am on stock SE 16s with **** Toyo FZ4's. Konig rims are good looking and usually can be found for about 130-150/rim maybe even cheap. But there are better and lighter rims for the choosing depending on $
good luck
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01-31-2002, 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Str8ridin
The best tires out there are Bridgestone Potenza's S0-3's Pole Position. I garuntee it. and go 18's.
The best tires out there are Bridgestone Potenza's S0-3's Pole Position. I garuntee it. and go 18's.
01-31-2002, 10:57 AM
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Thanks for the replies, yea I definitely want 17x8s (wider is better 
). And as you guys post your suggestions can you please also post some URLs of sites that might have the wheels that you're mentioning.
Str8ridin and carnal_c30, what makes those tires so good?
). And as you guys post your suggestions can you please also post some URLs of sites that might have the wheels that you're mentioning.Str8ridin and carnal_c30, what makes those tires so good?
01-31-2002, 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by for sHo
Str8ridin and carnal_c30, what makes those tires so good?
Str8ridin and carnal_c30, what makes those tires so good?
01-31-2002, 11:29 AM
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you CANNOT get an all season tire and expect it to even be close to the high performance tire. Somebody recommended an 18" rim - that will slow you down also. Check out my group buy in the North East forum... I set up a deal for 17x7.5 rota wheels which weigh 16lbs. with kumbo 712s for $950 - you'll need to spend $2500 or more to match my deal on performance wheel and tire.
01-31-2002, 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by theblue
you CANNOT get an all season tire and expect it to even be close to the high performance tire. Somebody recommended an 18" rim - that will slow you down also. Check out my group buy in the North East forum... I set up a deal for 17x7.5 rota wheels which weigh 16lbs. with kumbo 712s for $950 - you'll need to spend $2500 or more to match my deal on performance wheel and tire.
you CANNOT get an all season tire and expect it to even be close to the high performance tire. Somebody recommended an 18" rim - that will slow you down also. Check out my group buy in the North East forum... I set up a deal for 17x7.5 rota wheels which weigh 16lbs. with kumbo 712s for $950 - you'll need to spend $2500 or more to match my deal on performance wheel and tire.
Your deal is pretty good, but I need some wheels which will work with Stillen's big brake kit (I plan to get one later, gotta have braking power).
What determines whether a big brake kit can be cleared by a wheel or not? the offset? if yes what range of offsets am I looking at to make sure the big brake kit gets cleared?
Again thanks for all your help guys.
01-31-2002, 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by theblue
you CANNOT get an all season tire and expect it to even be close to the high performance tire. Somebody recommended an 18" rim - that will slow you down also. Check out my group buy in the North East forum... I set up a deal for 17x7.5 rota wheels which weigh 16lbs. with kumbo 712s for $950 - you'll need to spend $2500 or more to match my deal on performance wheel and tire.
you CANNOT get an all season tire and expect it to even be close to the high performance tire. Somebody recommended an 18" rim - that will slow you down also. Check out my group buy in the North East forum... I set up a deal for 17x7.5 rota wheels which weigh 16lbs. with kumbo 712s for $950 - you'll need to spend $2500 or more to match my deal on performance wheel and tire.
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01-31-2002, 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Stereodude
What size Kumho are you going to put on a 17x7.5 rim? A 245/45/17 (correct size for 5th gen SE) is not recommened for a 7.5" rim.
Stereodude
What size Kumho are you going to put on a 17x7.5 rim? A 245/45/17 (correct size for 5th gen SE) is not recommened for a 7.5" rim.
Stereodude
If you are looking for the best all season then may I recommend what I use currently... the bridgestone potenza RE950. I was driving on a snow and slushy highway today and they gripped really well. I have also used them on dry pavement and they far exceed the stock toyos. They sell for about $100 on tirerack
as for the big brake fitting.. I don't know much about them so i can't really comment
01-31-2002, 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by theblue
you CANNOT get an all season tire and expect it to even be close to the high performance tire. Somebody recommended an 18" rim - that will slow you down also. Check out my group buy in the North East forum... I set up a deal for 17x7.5 rota wheels which weigh 16lbs. with kumbo 712s for $950 - you'll need to spend $2500 or more to match my deal on performance wheel and tire.
you CANNOT get an all season tire and expect it to even be close to the high performance tire. Somebody recommended an 18" rim - that will slow you down also. Check out my group buy in the North East forum... I set up a deal for 17x7.5 rota wheels which weigh 16lbs. with kumbo 712s for $950 - you'll need to spend $2500 or more to match my deal on performance wheel and tire.
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01-31-2002, 01:30 PM
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Nice. How long is this going on for? I haev to check this out cause I really need lighter rims and tires and this sounds like a good deal.
SuDZ
Nice. How long is this going on for? I haev to check this out cause I really need lighter rims and tires and this sounds like a good deal.
SuDZ
01-31-2002, 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by theblue
Somebody recommended an 18" rim - that will slow you down also.
Somebody recommended an 18" rim - that will slow you down also.
Just because the size is bigger doesn't mean that they are heavier. If you want the ultimate in performance AND handling for specifically a Maxima, I suggest light 18's with S0-3's.
01-31-2002, 02:07 PM
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What determines whether a big brake kit can be cleared by a wheel or not? the offset? if yes what range of offsets am I looking at to make sure the big brake kit gets cleared?
Again thanks for all your help guys.
What determines whether a big brake kit can be cleared by a wheel or not? the offset? if yes what range of offsets am I looking at to make sure the big brake kit gets cleared?
Again thanks for all your help guys.
Big Brake kit -
I'd recommend 18x8s for them, 97MaxGurl fit hers on TSW 17x8s... there is no way they'll fit on a rim less than 8 wide... my big brake kit forced me to buy 18x8 rims... the rims should be without a lip (lip will screw your clearance, my Blitz 19x8.5s need spacers for the brakes cuza the huge lip) and the offset should be less than 40 and greater than 35... findins a rim like that is hard!! especially one that is light!!btw you wana buy a big brake kit? *wink* If you offer me a good price I'll sell... its not on my car now, and stil on its first set of pads!!
01-31-2002, 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Str8ridin
Yes, that's why Ferrari, Porsche, Lotus & Lamborghini put 18's on their cars from the factory.
Just because the size is bigger doesn't mean that they are heavier. If you want the ultimate in performance AND handling for specifically a Maxima, I suggest light 18's with S0-3's.
Yes, that's why Ferrari, Porsche, Lotus & Lamborghini put 18's on their cars from the factory.
Just because the size is bigger doesn't mean that they are heavier. If you want the ultimate in performance AND handling for specifically a Maxima, I suggest light 18's with S0-3's.
01-31-2002, 02:16 PM
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Kumhos are really really heavy tire wise. That is why they are so cheap. Some good lightweight rims are volks, SSR, Racing Hart.....you get the picture. My next set of tires will be Bridgstone S-03's. I have Toyo T1-S's now, I like them alot.
My next set of tires will be Bridgstone S-03's. I have Toyo T1-S's now, I like them alot.
01-31-2002, 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by carnal_c30
Big Brake kit - I'd recommend 18x8s for them, 97MaxGurl fit hers on TSW 17x8s... there is no way they'll fit on a rim less than 8 wide... my big brake kit forced me to buy 18x8 rims... the rims should be without a lip (lip will screw your clearance, my Blitz 19x8.5s need spacers for the brakes cuza the huge lip) and the offset should be less than 40 and greater than 35... findins a rim like that is hard!! especially one that is light!!
btw you wana buy a big brake kit? *wink* If you offer me a good price I'll sell... its not on my car now, and stil on its first set of pads!!
Big Brake kit -
I'd recommend 18x8s for them, 97MaxGurl fit hers on TSW 17x8s... there is no way they'll fit on a rim less than 8 wide... my big brake kit forced me to buy 18x8 rims... the rims should be without a lip (lip will screw your clearance, my Blitz 19x8.5s need spacers for the brakes cuza the huge lip) and the offset should be less than 40 and greater than 35... findins a rim like that is hard!! especially one that is light!!btw you wana buy a big brake kit? *wink* If you offer me a good price I'll sell... its not on my car now, and stil on its first set of pads!!
01-31-2002, 02:29 PM
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Tell me is the big brake kit really worth the price? What kind of braking power does it offer? I've drove my friend's 330i and two 740iL's and I think the brakes on those cars are just amazing. If the big brake kit even comes close to a bimmer's braking power I would get it.
Tell me is the big brake kit really worth the price? What kind of braking power does it offer? I've drove my friend's 330i and two 740iL's and I think the brakes on those cars are just amazing. If the big brake kit even comes close to a bimmer's braking power I would get it.
01-31-2002, 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by matt calder
Kumhos are really really heavy tire wise. That is why they are so cheap. Some good lightweight rims are volks, SSR, Racing Hart.....you get the picture. My next set of tires will be Bridgstone S-03's. I have Toyo T1-S's now, I like them alot.
Kumhos are really really heavy tire wise. That is why they are so cheap. Some good lightweight rims are volks, SSR, Racing Hart.....you get the picture.
My next set of tires will be Bridgstone S-03's. I have Toyo T1-S's now, I like them alot.
01-31-2002, 02:51 PM
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If the ultimute in performance is what you want, then stay with 16s and get wider tires, like 225s. with 17s and up, you lose acceleration but gain cornering. You gain cornering because of the wider tire you have to put on them, but lose acceleration because of the greater weight and weight distrubution associated with bigger wheels. There are those who say get a set of light 18s, but if the manufacturer who makes light 18s can make light 16s, the 16s will be lighter still.
Anyways, if you stick with 16s and get 225 rubber to fit on your 16s, you'll have the greatest cornering and acceleration.
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Anyways, if you stick with 16s and get 225 rubber to fit on your 16s, you'll have the greatest cornering and acceleration.
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01-31-2002, 04:17 PM
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Hmm...
I was in a very similar dilemma a while ago. I settled with 17"s, because the Maxima comes with 15"-16" wheels stock, so 17" is a +1 size.
As for the guys talking about Lamborghinis and Ferraris, do you see them with 19" and 20" wheels? I didn't think so.
And you should know those wheels are forged and extremely lightweight but a set of 17"s would be lighter (given its the same type of wheel). Less metal = less weight. Always.
If I were you I would go with a good brand, lightweight forged wheels as other adviseds. HRE, SSR, Racing Hart (), and Blitz are all excellent wheels. Yes, they are expensive, but I think they're worth it (and some may disagree).
As for the tires, it all matters what model you get. Yokohama makes some great tires, and some really cheap tires (). Pirelli, Dunlop, and all other names are the same - you pay for what you get. I honestly think my Yokohamas are any better that my Michelin MX-V4s (winter setup).
-Cyrus
As for the guys talking about Lamborghinis and Ferraris, do you see them with 19" and 20" wheels? I didn't think so.
And you should know those wheels are forged and extremely lightweight but a set of 17"s would be lighter (given its the same type of wheel). Less metal = less weight. Always.If I were you I would go with a good brand, lightweight forged wheels as other adviseds. HRE, SSR, Racing Hart (
), and Blitz are all excellent wheels. Yes, they are expensive, but I think they're worth it (and some may disagree).As for the tires, it all matters what model you get. Yokohama makes some great tires, and some really cheap tires (
). Pirelli, Dunlop, and all other names are the same - you pay for what you get. I honestly think my Yokohamas are any better that my Michelin MX-V4s (winter setup).-Cyrus
01-31-2002, 04:24 PM
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Re: Hmm...
Originally posted by Vyrus
I was in a very similar dilemma a while ago. I settled with 17"s, because the Maxima comes with 15"-16" wheels stock, so 17" is a +1 size.
As for the guys talking about Lamborghinis and Ferraris, do you see them with 19" and 20" wheels? I didn't think so. And you should know those wheels are forged and extremely lightweight but a set of 17"s would be lighter (given its the same type of wheel). Less metal = less weight. Always.
If I were you I would go with a good brand, lightweight forged wheels as other adviseds. HRE, SSR, Racing Hart (), and Blitz are all excellent wheels. Yes, they are expensive, but I think they're worth it (and some may disagree).
As for the tires, it all matters what model you get. Yokohama makes some great tires, and some really cheap tires (). Pirelli, Dunlop, and all other names are the same - you pay for what you get. I honestly think my Yokohamas are any better that my Michelin MX-V4s (winter setup).
-Cyrus
I was in a very similar dilemma a while ago. I settled with 17"s, because the Maxima comes with 15"-16" wheels stock, so 17" is a +1 size.
As for the guys talking about Lamborghinis and Ferraris, do you see them with 19" and 20" wheels? I didn't think so.
And you should know those wheels are forged and extremely lightweight but a set of 17"s would be lighter (given its the same type of wheel). Less metal = less weight. Always.If I were you I would go with a good brand, lightweight forged wheels as other adviseds. HRE, SSR, Racing Hart (
), and Blitz are all excellent wheels. Yes, they are expensive, but I think they're worth it (and some may disagree).As for the tires, it all matters what model you get. Yokohama makes some great tires, and some really cheap tires (
). Pirelli, Dunlop, and all other names are the same - you pay for what you get. I honestly think my Yokohamas are any better that my Michelin MX-V4s (winter setup).-Cyrus
01-31-2002, 04:27 PM
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why does MXV4 cost so much? compare to ohter performence tires like dunlop sp 5000 or avs db
why does MXV4 cost so much? compare to ohter performence tires like dunlop sp 5000 or avs db
They're aren't even that good 
I got them because they were basically free (we were leasing a Q45 which needed new tires so we put the Maxima ones on it and I got new ones )-Cyrus
01-31-2002, 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by carnal_c30
I agree!! AWESOME tires! but if you want performance go with a set of light 17x8s like Volks, or SSR Competitions... they are sweet *** rims
I agree!! AWESOME tires! but if you want performance go with a set of light 17x8s like Volks, or SSR Competitions... they are sweet *** rims
With Max, the rims are mostly for looks, and there's nothing wrong with that. Probably 17 X 8 in a 235 is best...
01-31-2002, 08:32 PM
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Are your wheels 17" SSR comp's? They look like it. What size are they (dia. and width)?
Are your wheels 17" SSR comp's? They look like it. What size are they (dia. and width)?
His rims are 18" Volk TE-37, I believe they are 18x7.5
Mike: I am sure they weigh around what my tires weigh at....+ or - 23lbs. Kumhos are like bricks.
01-31-2002, 09:42 PM
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The absolute ultimate street legal wheel tire combo would probably be some 15" SSR Comps or TE-37s (both about 9.5 lbs in 15x7)with Yokohama A032R or Toyo RA1 or BFG g-Force R1 or R1A, Hoosier R3S03 or A3S03, Kumho Victoracer V700 and Ecsta V700 (brand new tire). None of these tires is acceptable for street use however, they would wear down to nothing in days. The ultimate street tire that will actually hold up is probably the Yokohama AVS Intermediate. These tires are SICK they are so sticky. Other awesome tires include S0-3s, S-02s, Toyo T1S, Yoko AVS Sport, among others.
01-31-2002, 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by Stereodude
What size Kumho are you going to put on a 17x7.5 rim? A 245/45/17 (correct size for 5th gen SE) is not recommened for a 7.5" rim.
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What size Kumho are you going to put on a 17x7.5 rim? A 245/45/17 (correct size for 5th gen SE) is not recommened for a 7.5" rim.
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02-01-2002, 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by Bman
Sure they are. At least the majority of 245/45/17's are (there are a few exceptions). I looked into this a while ago. Go to www.tirerack.com and search for that size tire and look at their Specs and see for yourself.
Sure they are. At least the majority of 245/45/17's are (there are a few exceptions). I looked into this a while ago. Go to www.tirerack.com and search for that size tire and look at their Specs and see for yourself.
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02-01-2002, 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by yo_its_ok
$$$ no object eliminates Kumhos. Chunked those tires, and burned them up. Burn up the Toyo T1S' but at least they don't chunk like kumhos.
$$$ no object eliminates Kumhos. Chunked those tires, and burned them up. Burn up the Toyo T1S' but at least they don't chunk like kumhos.
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02-01-2002, 12:22 PM
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Just because a manufacturer doesn't recommend something doesn't mean you can't do it. I've got 235-45s on my 17x7s. The sidewall height makes a difference in what width wheel they say you "should" put it on as well. Tires with the same section width but different sidewall heights are recommended for different width wheels.
02-01-2002, 01:09 PM
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The issue with 235/45/17s on 17x7s is not so much the sidewall height, but more the width of the tire compared to the rim. If you autox, the extra width of the tire might cause it to separate from the rim. Of course this is only an issue in high G cornering moves you would experience in autoX.
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DW
Originally posted by Nealoc187
Just because a manufacturer doesn't recommend something doesn't mean you can't do it. I've got 235-45s on my 17x7s. The sidewall height makes a difference in what width wheel they say you "should" put it on as well. Tires with the same section width but different sidewall heights are recommended for different width wheels.
Just because a manufacturer doesn't recommend something doesn't mean you can't do it. I've got 235-45s on my 17x7s. The sidewall height makes a difference in what width wheel they say you "should" put it on as well. Tires with the same section width but different sidewall heights are recommended for different width wheels.