Now i see the light, there was probably not enough space in Japan for engines bigger than 3L, if everyone there had a 8L or so, there would be no space for the people so that's why there was probably a law against it

 

Yes I do: Non-smoker's Bill of Rights
I have the right to breath clean air and keep my health as part of my right to life. Just as they don't have the right to shove a bottle of Arsenic down my throat or beat me senseless, smoker's do not have the right to endanger my health by filling the air I breath with tens of thousands of known carcinogens, poisons and other such chemicals that I would have to ingest simply by being around them. I'm sorry for the inconvenience that they have to smoke in a small, enclosed room surrounded by other smokers, but I do not wish to participate in chemotherapy, radiation treatment, breathing from an oxygen tank or through a stoma.

OOOOOKAYYYYYY. You try lightin' up anywhere in public in California. A society doesn't have citizens, a government has citizens, and if a govt. doesn't know the harmful effects of a product, then why in the spirit of capitalism would it try to stop the industry from developing? After it takes hold and grows to a multi-billion dollar industry, it's going to be hard for the govt. to try and shut it down after learning the truth. Common sense also dictates that inhaling thousands of carcinogens, toxins, poisons and tar into your body day after day, hour after hour, will be bad for your health.

Been there, nice but too damn compacted. I like my space, and the fewer number of smokers here in the good 'ol USA.

No, actually I can smell cigarette smoke from 30ft. away. My allergy has heightened my sensitivity to the stuff. I can tell if someone smoked a cigarette wearing certain clothes days later.

That's one big rock you've been hiding under there my friend. What's it made of, Limestone, Granite or Ignorant Denial? No not every single person will get cancer and die from it, but they will be affected, inhaling poisonous substances is BAD for your health. Fact Sheet: Smoking and Cancer
National Cancer Institute fact sheet
"Countless studies have proved that smoking causes lung cancer"
- meds.com
"The lifetime medical costs for smokers, despite their shorter lives, are higher than those for nonsmokers by approximately one third...
The direct health-care costs associated with smoking are in excess of 16 billion dollars. Nonsmokers contribute one hundred dollars per year to take care of smoking induced illnesses. We pay this primarily through taxes and insurance premiums... "-
Smokers aren't the only ones affected

Yeah well I have family members who've died from lung cancer caused by cigarette smoke and many others with tobacco-related diseases. 2 of my great-aunts have Oxygen tanks to help with Emphysema and Chronic Bronchitis caused by their husbands smoking, not everybody's the same.

That doesn't mean a damn thing and you know it.

No actually it's not.

Hey, I'm all about big guns, big burgers, big flags, suspecting authority and hating big dumba$$es.

What do you think all the emission laws and "Green" action has been for in the past 30 years? Besides, cars have catalytic converters and other such devices cigarettes do not.

Werd.

 

"Badaxxima" and "bill99gxe"...Masters of the "Multipile Reply Post"!!!

 

Yeah, that's true, you can exceed the tire's speed rating for a short bit, but the car manufacters are thinking in terms of a lawsuit and costs. OEMing and H rated tire will cost less per car than a V or Z rated tire. Mercedes does that on a bunch of their cars. The E430, a 275 hp 4 door sedan, is limited to 130 mph. At that speed, it's only just getting started On the lawsuit side, If a car gets in an accident while doing 135 mph with the stock H rated tires, you could theoretically sue the manufacturer of the car, . . .if you could blame the tire. By putting a 130 mph limit on the car shod with 130 mph tires, everything's simplified.

As for dragging with under pressure tires and compromising their speed reating, true, but then, given a Z rated tire, how many production cars have you seen trap at 150 mph or more?? I don't think Maxima's , or even turbo Porches, have to worry about that

DW

 

Non-smoker's Bill of Rights?

Oh good grief. Our founding father's are doing somersaults in their graves.

I'm going to laugh at you the day they make Maximas illegal to drive and the Yugo driver's Bill of Rights state that any other vehicle on the road is a potential danger to my health because of an accident that is waiting to happen. Then when you come back and ask why, I will use your own words to illustrate the reasoning.

Better yet, the No mod's Bill of Rights, which states you can't change so much as an air filter to a K&N because that will give you an unfair advantage over others at the red light when taking off.

The point is: where will it stop because it sure as hell won't stop with smoking.


Exactly how difficult is it to avoid those who do smoke, which has been regulated down to certain areas in PUBLIC places and in the privacy of their own homes? At this point, how is it affecting you anyway? Furthermore, how difficult is it for you to avoid these areas? I hate cig smoke as well, but happily sit in a smoking section with friends who want to light up because it is their right. I choose to do so, and you can choose not to. No longer giving me that option is infringing on my rights, as the world does not revolve around your wants in life.





The government has been well aware of the risks of smoking for at least 35 years. If it was THAT bad, legislation would have and should have stopped it cold. Instead, leaders decided to profit off of people's stupidity on a product that takes a long time to show any affects and make money off the citizens at the same time.



True, but no study has said every single person will suffer serious health affects from smoking.




Then I don't understand the need to complain about it. Just move to another area, know your role, and shut your mouth. Let people who want to smoke enjoy themselves the way you enjoy modding the Max.




I guess you need to consistently stay over 30ft. away from smokers, get medicine for your allergic reaction, and do laundry more often. But forcing behaviors for your convenience and your perceived reduced health risk when there are a million other riskier circumstances that can cause your death is a waste of time.




I didn't say the risks of adverse health weren't elevated, just that there is no conclusive proof that this will happen to every single person. Even so, if it's that damn bad the people should riot to have it banned.

I wonder what the stats are on those who don't take care of themselves or prefer to eat at McDonald's every day of their lives? I would bet the numbers are similar or worse. Next thing you know, the "Fat tax" will be on everything perceived as causing obesity




You're right, not everybody is the same, so why are you trying make everyone behave the same?





Yes it does. Otherwise, we wouldn't be discussing it since smoking would be banned.



So, it's OK for you to have the right to breath clean air but it isn't someone's right to smoke? I guess that means there is a set of rights for you and those who think along your lines and then another set of rights for others who disagree with you. Nice display of tolerance.




Then your stance against smoking surprises me. All of my argument is centered around the fact that the government, or those in charge who don't want to see others having a good time, won't stop until all of us are miserable, but "equal". Just as the anti-smokers are wanting to ban cigarettes, so are anti-gun, anti-fat, anti-flag, and anti-intelligent people are coming to ban all or shape the behavior of all those issues.




A way for the government to shape the behavior of those who want to enjoy themselves through. Global warming is a farce, the earth is 4 billion years old, and a 100 years worth of research on the temperature of the earth is mostly a crock of **** because these so called experts can't see the forest for the trees. The Mt. Vesuvius eruption in 1944 near Italy sent more carcinogens and pollutants into the air than all of the pollution in the HISTORY of mankind. And these people think a few less CFCs in the air will actually matter on a planet that is several BILLION years old. Their premise is laughable, even though the research is interesting and should be done.



Have you ever smelled non-filtered cigarettes? Ugh, talk about awful. Most cigs you smell are actually filtered.

 

I saw a Maxima on truth.com commercial

DW

 

Yep, God's chariot is the one of choice for the anti-smoking crowd.



After all, we've seen the commericals with the 2k2 Max pulling on death........what more do you need in a vehicle?

 

I must have missed something ... when did this thread turn from talking about horsepower to smoking?

 

The premise of the topic is government or industry limiting things and just limits on freedoms in general, so naturally smoking came up.....

 

Actually I think that qualifies you as a conservative . Liberals (like badaxxima!) are the ones that want us to live in a sterile society with no smoking, drinking, guns, and all of us driving underpowered 68 horsepower econo-hybrid electric cars.!

Counter-intuitive isn't it? And badaxxima considers himself a conservative.. You've been watching too many Truth.com commercials. I've been a conservative ever since the parents in the PTA where I live wanted to shut down the school's advanced learning program for gifted children, because they felt some kids were getting an "unfair advantage." Proof that the ultimate agenda of liberals is to have us all aspire to the same level of mediocrity and "equality". There's a word for this, it's Communism. True equality is me having the same damn right to smoke and pollute my lungs and the air around me as you do to drive a car with dual exhausts spewing fumes. Shall we issue Catalytic converters to smokers as well? A mouthpiece? Fine us if we exhale without them?

Most people I run into that tell me to put out a cigarette are stodgy middle aged women. I usually tell them to change the brand of perfume they use because it "offends me and is polluting the air"

 

Laughing, Bill?.. I'll be loading up my shotgun and camping in front of my Max Waco style. As long as Janet Reno isn't around, I won't have much to worry about either.

Street racing's illegal Bill...

No it probably won't, but one thing that makes cigarettes different from other highly politicized products (guns, alcohol, etc.) is that smoking doesn't affect just the smoker. Smoker's force everyone around them to smoke as well, smoker's simply have the benefit of being able to choose a filter.

VERY difficult in KY. I can't even go into Hooters, BW3's or Hoops if it's too crowded because I might stumble out coughing, with burning eyes, nose, mouth and throat after an hour or so. I LOVE Hooter's Hot Wings. I'm supposed to sacrifice that because smokers can't find somewhere else to spread highly concentrated poison?

Tobacco companies have been around for far longer than 35 years, the "good ol' boys" were in power at that time, the tobacco industry had deep pockets even then.

That's because every person's body chemistry is different, so that study will possibly never exist, but enough people ARE affected by it that there SHOULD be concern for THEIR health.

I shouldn't HAVE to move ANYWHERE! I didn't choose to smoke, but whenever I'm around someone else who does, I am forced to smoke. If they all thought like you, I wouldn't be able to go anywhere smoker's were present, yeah, that's fair. Hmm... maybe if I was in a wheelchair things would be different. Then they'd HAVE to let me in.

Hmm... Smoker's can enjoy places that I can't because I'll have an allergic reaction and possibly end up in the Hospital with an Asthmatic Bronchitis attack like my Mom did two years ago when she attended a conference in Lexington for two days where nearly 80% of the guests in the hotel smoked. What if I was disabled and had to use a wheelchair, but there was no ramp, would I still have to stay away? Sounds like the double standard you're trying to kick me with.

Well they aren't rioting, because there are people who actually believe the Tobacco companies and are supporting the habit (I won't mention your name).

Hmm... A world w/o obesity... Nude beaches would be a hit! Although there probably wouldn't be any Oreos. What are you thinking!? Cigarettes affect MORE than just the smoker! Fat people do not spread their obesity, clogged arteries, heart attacks, diabetes and other such diseases by eating a greasy burger next to you. Mmmmmgggarrrlllll..... Cheeeeeseburgerrrrlrllll...

I'm not making them behave the SAME, but God forbid that we all live long, happy, healthy lives.

Actually, studies have shown that, were cigarettes invented today, they would not be allowed by the govt.'s health standards, specifically, those of the FDA and CDC.

Yes Bill! It IS okay for me to breath clean air. Our rights are the same, but just because someone has decided to buy a pack of cigarettes and throw their right to life out the window, doesn't give that person the privilege of ignoring MY rights too! Tolerance? How 'bout the tolerance for my allergic reaction? Where does that come in Bill? Oh no, let's just feel sorry for the smokers. Puh-leazze.

One problem Bill, cigarettes are the ONLY product, that when used AS DIRECTED kills 1/3 of it's customers. An argument can also be made about guns, but they generally don't kill their own users, they injure, miss and sometimes kill the user's attacker/target. 75% of cases where a victim draws a gun, the attacker flees and the weapon is never even fired. Gun-control is a joke anyway, studies have been done on small towns where homes were mandated to have at least one shotgun. Not surprisingly, crime dropped 10-15% across the board. I'm going to teach MY children about gun safety, so that I know my family, children, home and cars are well protected even when cops aren't around.


Yes, yes it is, however the difference in LA's air quality on smog days has improved. In fact, KY. passed a "no-burn" ordinance state-wide 2 years ago effective during summertime when pollution is at its worst. We have far fewer "ozone action" days in Louisville and haze has been significantly reduced. Don't get me wrong, smog pumps and lowered compression among other things were pointless, but significant advances have been made in internal combustion technology and frankly, the automakers have been able to keep performance up. Hopefully, the nearly pointless VET testing will be abolished soon along with other certain programs (car crushing) and we can all enjoy our wonderful machines. Believe me, I'll take a 550 Maranello over an Echo any day of the week, but it is nice to breath better air. When you live in a small town all your life and take a road trip to Chicago in the summertime, you can appreciate clean air.

No, I haven't, because I usually have to breath the unfiltered 2nd hand smoke. At least smoker's have the choice of a filter, but NOOOOO, not the rest of us. They can kiss it. Right to smoke? Just because you buy something doesn't give you the right to use it my friend, especially when using it endangers the health of others.

 

Second hand smoke, on the other hand, isn't filtered at all.

Interesting OT debate. I like the liberal vs. conservative angle, since both terms have lost so much meaning over the years. True conservatives believe in individual responsibility. True liberals want to halt the wanton excesses of the irresponsible. Both points of view have generally become lost in special interests.

Enough from this soapbox ... back to MAXIMAS!

 

Exactly right about the speeds, though some Maximas seem to get pretty close ... the main advantage of the higher rated tires for most people is the sidewall stiffness - good for autocrossing, for instance. I wonder if a softer sidewall would be better for the drag racers? Hmm, probably not, when I think about it. Breaking down the stiffness is a side effect, not a goal. The offroaders have different criteria.

 

I dont mean to bump the thread but.....i have never seen this commerical regarding ANY 2k2 max, and one thats pulling on death??? This I have to see....anyone got it?

 

I don't care really much about the 280HP limit on paper. I'd rather be suprised

It's like going to a restaurant and you order a salad. The waitress asks you what kind or dressing...you say, "suprise me."

I'm more bothered by their 113mph governers than their 280HP limit.

 

Never NEVER EVER say, "surprise me" at a resturant. ESPECIALLY when ordering dressing...

 

Those high hp cars you are talking about are either detuned to meet the horsepower restriction or not sold there at all. (for instance, the Lexus GS400 is not available in Japan)

 

I just came back from a 2 week vacation in Japan last Monday and I saw some over there, however, they have the Toyota emblem on them and not the Lexus emblem. It's interesting that I never saw any Lexus emblems on any vehicles.

Other observations:

- The IS300 is known as the Toyota Altezza. This model and the IS400 (I saw that it had the Toyota emblem on the trunk but didn't see the name) that I've seen have been modded with body kits, rims, what have you...
I saw one white IS400 in Kagoshima (island of Kyushu) that had a large wing-type spoiler one evening.

- the guys that own modded cars like to cruise the main drags too
- Saw just a handful of Cefiros (unmodded)
- Saw only one Cefiro that had fancy rims on it but it was moving away from me on the street
- Seen quite a few chromie rims

 

FWD the torque steer gets overwhelming. In rear wheel they do not limit: Q45,lexai,NSX etc.

 

You won't see an Acura or Infiniti there either. All those luxury labels were created just for the US. The rest of the world just gets the plain named Nissan, Toyota or Honda.

DW