well my buddies 89' was wrecked and the tranny and engine were rebuilt. i think he had the 700 R tranny or something like that? maybe my gearing is just better than that car was or something? and my buddy with the firebird... i dunno man? he is automatic and all he has is flowmasters. i know a maxima will almost never win off the line against an f-body i was just stating that a modded max might have a chance from a roll or on the top end. but both of my experiences seem to have proved nothing i guess.

 

You always nag on the Maxima, yet you still have it. If you hate it so much, why don't you get rid of it already. I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'm kind of tired of your whining. Get rid of the Maxima ASAP if this isn't a car for you. Why the heck you got a Maxima in the first place. You are one strange fella guy.

 

How's the automatic in the 94+ F-Body? Absolutely amazing. It is by far the best auto tranny you can get in RWD car for under $40K. Hell, for a while GM was the source supplier of BMW automatics if that says anything (might still be). The 4L60E tranny in the 94+ F-Body, Vette, and lightbody trucks is awesome. The tranny has a very deep 3.06 1st gear which makes the F-Bodies leap off the line as if the car had a 4.10 gear. The tranny is completely docile at cruise and is never harsh. There is no slip between the gears. HOWEVER, once you lay your foot into the gas, the tranny pounds the gears on the shifts. On the highway at 60mph, going WOT induced an instant 2nd gear downshift. It was wicked. The 4L60E is based off the old 700R4 which has been used since the early 80s. In the mid 90s, the name changed to 4L60E which means 4 gears, longitudal layout (RWD), 60 (?), electronic. The FWD GM cars mostly use the 4T65E.


Dave

 

Was your buddies 89 a 350 or a 305? It's pretty rare to find a 350 in the 3rd gen Camaro/Firdbirds. Most are doggish throttle body injected 305s pushing 200hp (high 15s). The TPI (tuned port injected) 305 were good for 215-220hp (low 15s). The L98 350 TPIs were good for 240-260hp (mid to high 14s). The problem with the L98 was that it lacked the ability to breath past 4800rpms due to a ultra long intake runner design. These car made huge torque, but tended to fall flat in the topend compared to the LT1/LS1. The LT1 and LS1 actually make less tq than the L98, but surpass the L98 in hp by a long shot. A stock L98 is lucky to break 94mph in 1/4 mile.

As for your buddies LT1 Firebird, it's not black is it? I raced a black Firebird (94-95 version) a year back or so and I got him pretty good, twice. The problem with the LT1 is that it is very touchy when it comes to heat soak. An LT1 on a hot summers day is a good 4 tenths slower. The LT1 requires a good bit of maintenance to run good. Spark plug wires, spark plugs, ignition, coil, intake bellows, and gaskets need constant inspection. These parts wear out quickly due to the heat under the hood. If you've looked under the hood of a F-body, you know what I'm talking about. The V8 is shoe-horned in, therefore there's no where for the heat to go. Hell, half of the motor actually sits under the windshield. Chances are you buddies Firebird is just in a bad state of tune and/or the car has been ragged on pretty hard.

But, a win is a win


Dave

 

I totally agree too. Talk about being racist...geez. Maybe he should hang with Eric Wong who IIRC hated being Asian.

 

my buddies 89' was the TPI 350. so it was the L98? i always thought it was the LT1. so it makes sense that he had no top end now eh? btw, my buddy's 95' formula is red and its funny how you mentioned the heatsoak thing because we raced last july when it was hot as shlt. see dave, i wasn't lying! take care man.

Trevor

 

This is my friend's 95 Z28,
http://www.bryanb.com/site/maxima/camaro/car.html

It's one of the fastest cars I've ever been in. But even when it was stock, it was very fast. I don't think any year maxima would keep up with the newer style Z28s.

PS - If anyone is interested he's selling this camaro. He's getting rid of it to build a Cobra replica.

 

Good God, he's got a Ford 9" rear end in that Z28!!!!!!!! That's a $2500 modification. That Ford 9" allows that Z28 to be an absolute beast because you can launch that thing at any rpm. With as much NOS as he's got, slicks, and the rear end, he should be very close to lower 11s. He should be able to 60' in the 1.7 range, at the least. Nice car for sure.


Dave

 

Eric-

You should really get rid of your Maxima since it bothers you so much. You'll take a hit in resale, but you've got to remember that cars are not investments (except for a few). I suggest taking the $8000-10000 you'll get from your Maxima and put it towards a mint early 90s 5.0. I suggest the 5.0 because they tend to be a bit more reliable than the LT1 F-Bodys you could get for the same price. Working on the Mustang is very easy. The F-Body on the otherhand is a pain and they're a ***** to trouble shoot when you've got a problem. You should be able to pick up low mileage 5.0 for around $7000. Right from the start with $1500 you can get headers, H-pipe, larger MAF, larger injectors, intake manifold, lowering springs, and some 3.73 gears. You should be able to mid 13s with this setup. Then you can get a heads and cam package which will put you in the 12s.

If you really want to go fast for cheap, look at 87 Grand Nationals, if you can afford one (excellent condition $15000-23000). 12s are just $1000 away. I'm debating with myself about getting a GN and keeping the Max instead of getting a G35/Max/Altima. Unlike you, I'm in love with my Maxima and I still have about $1500 in mods I want to do (ME intake, new tires, SFCs).


Dave

 

Okay, first of all, I'm not speaking out of racism. If you ask me where the word "pimped out" comes from and I said it comes from pimps who drove cars with flashy accessories all over, I guess you would start asking about what my motives were on that and say how there are plenty of people in legitimate occupations with "pimped out" cars. Yes, there are many many people who drive "riced out" vehicles who are not Japanese, and the kid does not have to be Japanese, but in this case someone asked what "riced out" means and the origins come from slang to describe Japanese vehicles that were modded by Japanese people (You think SEMA crowd started in the US? Guess someone is a nationalist here!). I don't mean Japanese Americans, I mean people living in the island of Japan started the whole small-car mod phenomenon while the US was into small blocks and f-bodies. People who drove the Camaros/Firebirds/Mustangs etcetera referred to small Japanese cars as rice-burners because they mistakenly felt their large-displacement motor burned real gasoline while the imports burned rice. Of course it doesn't make sense, but that's the origin of rice-burners, which led to the term "ricing out" or "riced out" car! *slaps forehead* Some people think riced out is a flattering term that refers to a cool and fast import car, while another crowd refers to it as a car with a bunch of tacky equipment on it (such as a huge fin and tiny tires and wheels and overtinting). It's a matter of perspective.

Speaking of perspective, the original poster (whose handle I forgot) mentions the Camaro as a comparison because the Camaro is thought of as a fast car (and the Z28's and SS's are relatively fast). So the Camaro does have its share of respect in the auto world as a racer. As such, many people are misinformed and they start bragging about how they blew away the camaro in a drag race and saying how they are "holier than thou" (to use another post'ers words) than that high school kid when they blew away the camaro. In reality, depending on the year and the engine (you'd have to see the VIN or know the badging pretty well to know which stock engine is in the vehicle) Camaro's had a good range in horsepower, from 90-245 horsepower on Gen 3 Camaros (1982-1992) depending on year and engine, which is why I made that disclaimer "DEPENDING ON YEAR" in my original post. So my post about 130 horsepower is close when referring to a 1992 3.1 litre V6 which has 140 HP at 4400. See http://www.3gc.net/specs/enginespecs.shtml for more info (forgive me for not knowing HTML code) on 3rd gen Camaros. So my main point is the maxima may have dusted off a Camaro that has less horsepower than a Sentra SE-R, to put it in perspective.

The other point I want to make is that of the "Fish Story", the reference to which all should know means a story that is based on exaggeration and keeps getting blown out of proportion. I was pointing out the fact that this Maxima driver may have known he was racing and assumed the Camaro driver knew he was in a race too, when in reality the Camaro driver may not have been racing and the look of surprise was because he just realized he was being raced and was not prepared. Unless you are a drag strip or have titles on the line, it's not a real race. Also, it may have gone from beating a 1992 V6 auto to beating a 2002 V8 stick. In either case, there is too much unknown about this entire situation for the Maxima driver to have bragging rights, and to laugh about a "High-schooler" and act like a big shot and not be able to take the same type of belittlement. What goes around comes around, and if you are going to be a winner in a race, do it with dignity and grace.

 

P.S.- I do not have, nor have I ever owned a Camaro. I like the Maximas, and in fact am considering purchasing one. My attitude is reflective of my reaction to the attitude of the post originator, and not of the vehicles themselves. So the record is straight, I am not Maxima-bashing. Also, I was answering a person's question on "high-school rice fly by" and not just "lurking" to correct someone and compensate or something like that. Thanks!

 

I know the new rear cost alot, but I'm not sure how much. I do know that it has some kind of locking system to allow the wheels to spin together. But it now makes a clicking sound when he makes turns.

Without his nitrous he was mid 12s, I think 12.6 or 12.7 was his best time, and that was with an ailing clutch (according to my friend). We'll see how good of a driver he is once he replaces the clutch.