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Old Apr 22, 2002 | 08:54 AM
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Quaife Diff Cheap - Just need competition

I found this from Quaife America on the Vortex Site. It appears that if someone offers a cheaper diff, that Quaife will beat their price. They have lowered their list price down to $895 because of the Peloquin Diff and will lower further if anyone can find the Peloquin cheaper. Interesting sales approach. What do you think? We need more competition?

Dear VW Vortex Enthusiast,
We wish to thank all of you that have supported Quaife America & Quaife U.K. over the years with the purchase of ATB differentials and gearkits. With the introduction and apparent success of the lower cost Peloquin differential introduced in the past few years, we have recognized the need to be more price competitive and thus will do whatever is necessary to retain your business.

Effective 04/11/02, we will now offer Quaife 02A & 02J differentials for $50 less than whatever a Peloquin diff can be purchased for, with documentation for support. If you can provide proof (invoice, fax, e-mail, VW Vortex thread, etc) that a Peloquin can be purchased for a stated price, say $750 for example, we will offer you the Quaife for $700. If you happen to find a Peloquin on a "Group Buy" for say, $700, we will offer the Quaife for $650. As an added incentive, this new policy WILL ALSO INCLUDE the ARP HD Bolt Kit. Not only will you get the Quaife diff for cheaper, but the best bolt kit available from ARP of engine fastener fame (which is sold normally for $80 by itself). Every Quaife diff still features our WRITTEN Ltd. Lifetime Warranty, even when used for competition purposes. A copy of the warranty and warranty registration card is sent with every differential purchased. You may also view a copy of the warranty online at http://www.quaifeamerica.com.

The point is, WE WILL NO LONGER BE UNDERSOLD! Not only will you get the premium quality of the Quaife differential for $50 less, you also get the ARP diff bolt kit for free. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us at (949) 240-4000 or toll free at (800) 553-1055. Our new pricing policy is also applicable to our current trade customers, potential trade customers or current Peloquin trade customers.

Thank you for your time and consideration of this post.

Sincerely,

Ron Moser
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Autotech Sport Tuning Corp./Quaife America
Old Apr 22, 2002 | 09:14 AM
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Re: Quaife Diff Cheap - Just need competition

Well, Brian Catts controls the Maxima Quaife differentials. It's up to him to change pricing, not Quaife. If you look at their website, it shows Cattman Performance as the distributor. All Maxima differentials are sold through him. And I don't think anyone is going to be coming out with another Maxima diff soon. Knowing how much it cost him to get it done, and how much it is costing me to get the auto diffs done, it's just not a wise investment for anyone else. There's not enough business in this market to justify a price war on differentials.

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I found this from Quaife America on the Vortex Site. It appears that if someone offers a cheaper diff, that Quaife will beat their price. They have lowered their list price down to $895 because of the Peloquin Diff and will lower further if anyone can find the Peloquin cheaper. Interesting sales approach. What do you think? We need more competition?

Old Apr 22, 2002 | 11:15 AM
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Knowing how much it cost him to get it done, and how much it is costing me to get the auto diffs done, it's just not a wise investment for anyone else. There's not enough business in this market to justify a price war on differentials.

from a business standpoint?

also, what exactly does the quaife. isnt the concept to keep you from peeling out? dont I30s have diffs? i assume we cannot just use one of those huh? at least not for any cheaper than a quaife.
Old Apr 22, 2002 | 01:34 PM
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from a business standpoint?

also, what exactly does the quaife. isnt the concept to keep you from peeling out? dont I30s have diffs? i assume we cannot just use one of those huh? at least not for any cheaper than a quaife.
You can get the whole 5 speed conversion with a I30. The tranny runs around 500 at most junkyards.
Old Apr 22, 2002 | 01:34 PM
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from a business standpoint?

also, what exactly does the quaife. isnt the concept to keep you from peeling out? dont I30s have diffs? i assume we cannot just use one of those huh? at least not for any cheaper than a quaife.
You can get the whole 5 speed conversion with a I30. The tranny runs around 500 at most junkyards.

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Originally posted by SuDZ


You can get the whole 5 speed conversion with a I30. The tranny runs around 500 at most junkyards.

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And it's on the auto's as well from my understanding
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And it's on the auto's as well from my understanding
Only thing there is a big difference between a Quaife and a VLSD from Nissan. I know because my car came with VLSD from the factory and I have driven a car with the Quaife.
Old Apr 22, 2002 | 03:14 PM
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The number of I30 manual transmissions in the junkyard w/ LSD's is pretty small. And its definitely going to cost more than $500 to convert a car to manual. You also need all the parts for the clutch, pedal, shifter assembly, etc. Plus you're getting a used transmission that may have serious problems with it. Just look at how hard it is to find a decent 5spd Max. Shadow's just trying to make something that nobody else offers currently(a new automatic tranny LSD). Since the majority of Maximas out there are automatic its a good product to develop especially since the auto can hold a good amount of power if properly prepared.

The point of a LSD is better power distribution both off the line and at speeds. It does help off the line starts but it keeps the car cornering better.
Old Apr 22, 2002 | 03:44 PM
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Okay, somebody please help me here. Last I heard the only limited slip diff. options for the auto was to procure a Canadian spec. LSD tranny and do the swap. What new development have I missed?
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Originally posted by Jime


Only thing there is a big difference between a Quaife and a VLSD from Nissan. I know because my car came with one from the factory and I have driven a car with the Quaife.
Ok, I thought the I30 AUTO had the option of the QUAIFE.

Am I wrong?

Thanks
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Originally posted by bags533


Ok, I thought the I30 AUTO had the option of the QUAIFE.

Am I wrong?

Thanks
but thats not my ?. couldnt you just get the limited slip from an I30 in a junkyard instead of getting quaife. wouldnt that save some money. where did the auto to 5spd come from?
Old Apr 22, 2002 | 04:20 PM
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VLSD does not = Quaife lsd. The viscous Nissan unit will only transfer about 25% of the slipping wheel's power to the other. The Quaife if setup to transfer 35-40%(I think).


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but thats not my ?. couldnt you just get the limited slip from an I30 in a junkyard instead of getting quaife. wouldnt that save some money. where did the auto to 5spd come from?
Old Apr 22, 2002 | 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
VLSD does not = Quaife lsd. The viscous Nissan unit will only transfer about 25% of the slipping wheel's power to the other. The Quaife if setup to transfer 35-40%(I think).
The Quaife is close to 50-50 and has no plates or clutches, its gear driven so much more efficient than VLSD.

Bags my SE is Cdn so comes standard with the LSD. For strip use I'm not sure the Quaife would be much better because mine leaves two solid strips of black. But for cornering, they are far superior and the fact that they have a lifetime warranty even for racing is unreal. My Son has one in his VR6 and runs very low 13's and dumps the clutch at 4k with M/T slicks and does a 1.7 60'. He has raced for two years and still running strong, so they are bullet proof.
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50-50? You mean up to 50% transfer right? Anyway yeah, the Quaife doesn't have any "lag time" in transfering power but the VLSDs were super easy to produce, very quiet in operation and were very smooth. It's commendable on Nissan's part that went ahead and introduced a HLSD in the 3.5VQs. But at 255hp, the FWD probably HAD to get something that transfered more than 25% to counter torque steer.

Originally posted by Jime


The Quaife is close to 50-50 and has no plates or clutches, its gear driven so much more efficient than VLSD.

Bags my SE is Cdn so comes standard with the LSD. For strip use I'm not sure the Quaife would be much better because mine leaves two solid strips of black. But for cornering, they are far superior and the fact that they have a lifetime warranty even for racing is unreal. My Son has one in his VR6 and runs very low 13's and dumps the clutch at 4k with M/T slicks and does a 1.7 60'. He has raced for two years and still running strong, so they are bullet proof.
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Jime- Thanks for the info, I knew the VLSD was not as good as the QUAIFE.

Now I am more confused, You have a LSD in a SE maxima, what do the I30 ATUO'S come with?

And I used howstuffworks.com and sportcompact car to understand Quaife , but I have not yet looked at HLSD. I'll assume that is the "cut angle" from what pics I have seen. Guess time to do more research.

BTW Which is better?

And I have an AUTO so that's how I brought up the AUTO instead of the 5-speed. I try to make thing difficult sometimes,
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Jime- Thanks for the info, I knew the VLSD was not as good as the QUAIFE.

Now I am more confused, You have a LSD in a SE maxima, what do the I30 ATUO'S come with?

And I used howstuffworks.com and sportcompact car to understand Quaife , but I have not yet looked at HLSD. I'll assume that is the "cut angle" from what pics I have seen. Guess time to do more research.

BTW Which is better?

And I have an AUTO so that's how I brought up the AUTO instead of the 5-speed. I try to make thing difficult sometimes,
As far as I know the I30 comes with the same VLSD as the Cdn Max. I don't think they ever had the option of the Quaife. However, I have been wrong before. Heheh From all that I have read on the subject the Viscous LSD is probably the least efficient and the Quaife type, gear driven the best with the others clutch etc somewhere in between. I still haven't proven that the VLSD is any better in the 1/4 than the open diff, but give me a little time and I will report back on my 60' progress. Not sure what the best auto 60' is, but I am going to see how close to 2 seconds I can get.
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I love my quaife! Its my second favorite modification, next to the boost.
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how exactly is VLSD and HLSD different. i know that Viscous works on the heat/expansion/friction of flid in the diff.. because of its properties the fluid will try to match the speed of both axles. but how does HLSD work??
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Originally posted by DAREN
how exactly is VLSD and HLSD different. i know that Viscous works on the heat/expansion/friction of flid in the diff.. because of its properties the fluid will try to match the speed of both axles. but how does HLSD work??
Here are a couple or URL's that explain the differences better than I can. http://www.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm , http://www.globalwest.net/torsen_tra...fferential.htm and http://www.roadraceengineering.com/quaife.htm

As I understand it the Helical LSD is like the Torsen and Quaife both of which have helical gears.
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