Ok, there has been alot of talk going on lately. Some say the VQ is a much further advanced motor than the VE. But I want to hear facts. Post all the info you know about each motor, and what makes them better. I know the VE has variable everything, and a much better top end. VE has Viscous Limited Slip Differential, which allows you to approach most any driving situation with confidence. Electronic Concentrated Control System, delivers high end engine performance, and efficient fuel management. Dual over head cams mixed with variable induction, and variable valve timing allow it to peak at extremely high rpm. Sequential multi point fuel injection, Valve timing control system, ABS, 10:1 compression, 190hp@5600rpm all the way well into 6700rpm range. 190lb ft.@4000rpm well up to 6700rpm as well. The 5 speed has a gear ratio of 3.823 and the auto is 3.619 any info would be greatly appreciated, I am not flaming, I would just like to know how the VQ is "Superior" compared to the VE...

 

well the VQ has an aluminum block... while
it may not make it a stronger motor,
it definitely makes it lighter..
hp/weight, the VQ is better

people argue that the VE has better top end, but i'm curious
to see how the VQ would be with the VI.. i've heard it cures
the top end issues

although the VE has the VTC's... those things arent known
for reliability. also, the VQ's have been able to
achieve the same HP with more torque without having to delve into
valve timing control

just a few things i wanted to toss in...

 

Good opinions, iron block does allow for more boost. Also I looked at my curb weight in my door, compared to a 4th gens, and it said the 3rd gen was 110lbs lighter. VTC is reliable, but, you must treat it well. Oil changes, with good oil, and OEM Nissan filters. And it should be fine...alot of old VE's out there have it. Because alot of people that bought them originally had no idea about the car, and therefore, might not of changed the oil for 10,000 miles at a time, like my boss...

 

don't the 95+ I30's(VQ) come with VLSD trannies???

 

Only in Canada.

 

The 1st gen I30t has a VLSD.

 

yeah I was about to say, I know two guys with I30s and LSD and I know they didn't fly to canada to buy them!

 

Don in Texas has one too.

 

well, from what i hear, the VQ gets its added tq because it was destroked, but bored. also, from the butt dyno, the top end of the VQ really is hurting. I rode in sam's with the PR cai. . . . with it in CAI mode, to pop charger mode, you can totally tell the difference. HOWEVER, i did notice that there is a bit more bottom end. that's just butt dyno results... . .

 

Arent they pretty hard to find? But that is besides the subject at hand STOCK for STOCK

 

The VE is better since it comes wrapped in a better package.



I don't know enough about the VQ to argue either way. But I sure do love the top end on my VE.

 

I would have to say VE. I think if Nissan kept it around a little longer they would have been able to get a lot more HP out of it. But, when the VE came out they probable already had VQ in the works. VE gets the most respect though for having all that tech in it 10 yrs ago.

 

I think I heard it once that the VE was just test bed for some of the VQ technologies, ie, timing chain (less NVH problems and no need to change it for 100.000 under normal wear and tear), distributorless ignition systems, pioneered on such cars as the R31 and 32 skylines, and then most the bigger Nissan engines had them after that.

The iron block vs. aluminum isn't that big a deal unless you have to lift the engine or you plan on forcing air in... but stock for stock, our car and the 4th gen isn't that dissimilar in weight.

I do have to back up the top end of the VE over the VQ. I have driven a couple 4th gens and a VQE from a 00 GLE... and although they have more torque off the line, at about 4000rpm the VE that I have starts to pull, and it keeps pulling, never letting me out of my seat... hell, I had a celica owner that is a friend of mine ask if mine was turbo'd cause suddenly it just starts pullin' and never stops till redline...

I said, nope... just variable timing cams that tick.

 

The VQ30DE-K(2K-2K1 5th gen) has VIAS(Variable Induction Air Control System) and at 5K rpms it switches the air flow from the LONG intake runners to SHORT intake runners, allowing the 5th gen. to pull all the way to redline(6400). The 4th gen(VQ30DE) does NOT have this, but the ME manifold sounds like it may due something similar.

Some useful stats I got off someones website:
1989-1994 GXE, 1989-1991 SE
VG30E
SOHC
3.0L
2nd Gen: 152hp@ 5200, 167tq@ 3600
3rd Gen: 160hp@ 5200, 182tq@ 3200


1992-1994 SE
VE30DE
DOHC
3.0L
190hp@ 5600
190tq@ 4000
DOHC and variable valve timing comes to the Maxima.


1995-1999 All
VQ30DE
DOHC
3.0L
190hp@ 5600
205tq@ 4000
No variable valve timing or intake length path.


2000-2001
VQ30DE-K
DOHC
3.0L
222@ 6400
217@ 4000
New and improved VQ. Heavier than 4th gen.
VIAS switches between long and short intake runners.
Pulls ALL the way to redline.

2K2
VQ35
3.5-liter DOHC 24-valve V6 engine
255 hp @ 5,800 rpm
246 lb-ft of torque @ 4,400 rpm
Continuously Variable Timing Control System (CVTCS)
Variable Intake Manifold.
HP peaks around 5,800 and then drops off.

 

WOW! Thanks for the info. Where do the 4th gen owners get the manifold? ROAD BEAST?

 

About the top end performance... the VE really stands out for high end power in my book too... especially while in the upper gears. A VQ really does lack that "pull" at the top of the gear, unless you are driving a 2k2. They rip you through every gear at ANY rpm all the way up to redline. TRUST ME.

 

Man just throw an SC on there and it'll scream to redline quicker than you can imagine.

 

Just a note. The auto VE guys should be able to fit the varible intake from the 5-sp easy. Just buy the same rpm switch and Nissan baro switch as the 4-gen MEI dudes. But this will improve your LOW end and keep your high end.

 

who gives a ****.. you seem to be on this trip lately to prove that the VE is better than the VQ.. who gives a **** if it is.. and who gives a **** if it isn't.. the fact is.. the VQ and the VE are still around in nissan products.. you think if you b!tch enough they will start making more parts for VE's? no one cares.. this thread is just like the paper i used to wipe my A$$.. it should be flushed..

 

Sprint,


Why was this necessary? I don't see the point of your comments.


The contention that underlies this is whether Nissan has done anything "innovative" in the VQ besides an aluminum block and improving the low end. There's nothing wrong with discussing this here.


Your comments disappoint me.

 

Sprint, I want you to be honest and tell us how you REALLY feel about this post, don't hold back this time.




[QUOTE]Originally posted by SprintMax
who gives a ****.. you seem to be on this trip lately to prove that the VE is better than the VQ.. who gives a **** if it is.. and who gives a **** if it isn't.. the fact is.. the VQ and the VE are still around in nissan products.. you think if you b!tch enough they will start making more parts for VE's? no one cares.. this thread is just like the paper i used to wipe my A$$.. it should be flushed.. [/QUOTE

 

my point is.. every thread or so i see this guy jumps up about VE this and VE that.. who cares.. who cares if the VE is better than the VQ.. who cares if the VQ is better htan the VE.. do a search on his prior posts you will see what i am talking about.. you think volcanos exploded the same day?

 

I understand your frustration(s), but the premise of the thread is good for discussion.





No, I figured it was a culmination of posts, but haven't seen them myself, which is odd since I see and know everything that goes on here......

 

Sprint sit down, and dont try and jump down my throat. I am just trying to compare engines, they are both great. But, I want to know what sets them apart. You are a VE hater like the rest.

 

you see what i am driving at here bill? like the rest.. its like he is on a mission to prove the greatness of the VE.. "like the rest" .. please.. i couldn't care less about the differences with the VQ and the VE .. i actually bought my car for the price and the looks to tell you the truth.. i never knew the power of the engine when i purchased it.. and i am working with what i have.. i am not on any VQ trip.. so please get off your VE trip

 

Nothing Sprint stated could lead you to this conclusion. There's no need to knee-jerk. He simply said he didn't care......

 

It has the microfinished parts, so it could be smoother and quieter than the VE. My '99 GXE's VQ is at least smoother than my dad's '89 SE VG, but I don't know how the VE is. The VQ also has more awards.

 

*ahem* VE POWER!

 

I was impressed with Jeff's "Personal Test Drive on How to Race in rain-slicked Seattle" a couple of weeks ago.











































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Dmontz and others - the sooner you are able to ignore stuff like what is written in Sprint's posts, the sooner you will be one with.. Nevermind. Just ignore it. It's pure BS and doesn't warrant any response whatsoever. Just point and laugh.

Oh and he DOES care. Why else would he have seen this thread, clicked on it, and bothered to respond several times?? If he didn't care, he would have ignored it like I will ignore all his future posts.

Anyway... I was confused - I thought you were talking about just the engines and not the whole car... BUT since you brought up the LSD and everything else, I would have to cast my vote for the 3rd gen SE. I know I have one, but that doesn't change my views on it.

The 3rd gen SE is a great all around car and it feels much more solid on the road than any 4th gen I have been in. Also, the rear twist-beam suspension of the 4th gen is rediculous. The nice independent rear suspension of the 3rd gen blows it away on paper and on the road. I read a few road tests on the 4th gen when it came out, and all the car mags said the same thing - that the 4th gen was a nice car, but a step down from the 3rd gen. Every article mentioned the rear suspension. The rest of the car is pretty similar and most of it has to do with personal taste.

The VE does have an iron block, but the car itself is lighter (AFAIK anyway - mine weighs 3100lbs ready to ride and with a full tank) or about the same weight. Performance is about the same, and the VE has proven to acrue plenty of miles. We'll probably have to wait a little to see really high mileage 4th gens pop up, but honestly I don't know enough about them to comment further. I do know that from what I have read, the VQ (in all it's forms) is rated as one of the very best engines ever, and it does have a lot of good things going for it. Those pics of the block sure are cool in those Nissan ads...

As far as the VE itself, the only thing that perplexes me is that Nissan only used it in one model of one generation of a car and then only for three years. Why didn't they continue it's use? Obviously they thought there was more future with the VQ. Doesn't make the VE bad, just makes it sort of an orphan. Mine works great though - the only complaint is the Jekyll/Hyde personality it has. Sometimes I feel like the Max should be at the track, and sometimes I can't pass someone for anything. Odd... Obviously some sort of failure and it shouldn't be used to criticize the engine, but I do know that there are a few people out there with the same problem.

3rd gen SE's are great, and so are 4th gens. It really all boils down to which ever you prefer. I prefer a 3rd gen, though I knew nothing about Maximas (except what I read in road tests) before I bought mine. I had no idea what a VE30DE was till I popped the hood when I was looking at mine...

-Jacob

 

Oh no.......another "3rd gen ownz joo" post.



Let's not turn this into 3rd gen vs. other gens. This topic only discusses the motors and I say we leave it at that.


















Plus, we all already know the 3rd gens are superior, so it's useless to re-state the obvious.

 

good post, thanks for attempting to bring it back on topic.

one more thing... I was lucky enough to get in Jeff92se's car again last night and his car is SOOOOOOOOOO much smoother then mine, but I think it's the tranny though. but... ours are the same year, same model and all, but his makes mine look and sound and feel like ish....


I love his car.

 

he kinda reminds me of the people that pay 2.95 on a phone poll to say "i don't know"

 

about the 4th gen rear beam. . is it similiar to the 5th gens? i run autox and the beam suspension really helps the beginners. It helps with the turn in on the stock suspension. my max suffered from understeer but when i watched the stock 5th gen, just when you thought it would understeer, the rear seemed to come around. NOT oversteer, but more turn in. I was fairly impressed with it. HOWEVER, modded, i would take Independent. but needless to say, i was impressed with the turnin of a stock car that size.

 

Getting off the topic of the engines but here is the cliff notes on beam/independant

Beam = cheap suspension but keeps wheels straight up/down no matter what. Good for flat surfaces but does the hop-a-long on bumpy turns.

Independent = more expensive and should give more neg camber when turned harder(good). Much better suspension for uneven surfaces(bumpy)

This is the reason why for auto-x, stiffer is better.

 

did your wife tell you that?

 

No your sister did

 

neither my mom or dad had any female children are you talking about my church sister? i have a couple of those :-D and church girls are freaky

 

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