VE technology vs. VQ technology
Let me throw something else in. The SE-R's are similar to the Maxima, year by year. The old SE-R's just have that edge, you can tweak them a bit more, and they hang high. Then you have the 95+ 200sx SE-R which just doesnt have that edge to it. Well, same with the Maxima. No matter what, we are not going to see a VE walk away from a VQ, and a VQ walk away from a VE. They are pretty damn close. I think we can see that hear. But all the "BS" being posted, it is not "FACT" I believe it was car and driver that said "It just doesnt have the 4DSC feel" Why did Nissan take of the 4DSC sticker? Maybe they know something we dont.
I am going to attempt to leave this thread with this to show. http://autos.werd.com/dmontzmax/MaximaVideo%27s/
Go to 3rd vs. 4th, now I dont know who these people are, but I know they have the same mods, the 4th gen gets more rubber on the launch, but hey NO VLSD. It doesnt look like the VQ wasted the VE. Also here is a quote from another thread that is going...
I'm going to chime in here as the new guy with a mostly outside perspective. My background is mostly Ford-influenced, and I've been into Mustangs since somewhere in high school. Maximas basically don't exist in the Mustang world.. they're a speck on the map, and it seems to be that way with most of the rest of the imports as well. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anything bad about the Maxima, and in fact, I'm quite pleased with the VE I just picked up.
My point is this: if you're the Luxembourg army against the world, try to keep the infighting to a minimum, as that does nothing to support the cause of Luxembourg. Get it?
All this from someone that is a hardcore FORD Fanatic, and is very surprised with the VE...
Go to 3rd vs. 4th, now I dont know who these people are, but I know they have the same mods, the 4th gen gets more rubber on the launch, but hey NO VLSD. It doesnt look like the VQ wasted the VE. Also here is a quote from another thread that is going...
I'm going to chime in here as the new guy with a mostly outside perspective. My background is mostly Ford-influenced, and I've been into Mustangs since somewhere in high school. Maximas basically don't exist in the Mustang world.. they're a speck on the map, and it seems to be that way with most of the rest of the imports as well. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anything bad about the Maxima, and in fact, I'm quite pleased with the VE I just picked up.
My point is this: if you're the Luxembourg army against the world, try to keep the infighting to a minimum, as that does nothing to support the cause of Luxembourg. Get it?
All this from someone that is a hardcore FORD Fanatic, and is very surprised with the VE...
okay this thread has rn its course.....bith sides(VE and VQ) are running out of steam, you guys are pulling **** out your *** and it s just getting more and more of a "my junk is bigger than yours" constest....can we all just come to a conclusion that both engines are rather equal!?! look at the track times for the 5spd VE and 5spd VQ, they are rather equal with avg. drivers....and look at the track times on here for the VE and VQ autos, the VQ auto is a few tenths faster, big deal......you can all LIVE WITH THAT RIGHT????
and you are all missing the point that without the creation of the VG in 85(screw the 1st gen with the L28
) and eventually implanting it in the Max in 87 many of you all wouldn't even have your VEs or VQs cause most likely the Max wouldn't exist, so can we please put this to rest...GEEEEEEZ! VG power ownz you all cause without it there would be no 4dsc, PERIOD! 
Good night.........
and you are all missing the point that without the creation of the VG in 85(screw the 1st gen with the L28
) and eventually implanting it in the Max in 87 many of you all wouldn't even have your VEs or VQs cause most likely the Max wouldn't exist, so can we please put this to rest...GEEEEEEZ! VG power ownz you all cause without it there would be no 4dsc, PERIOD! Good night.........
Originally posted by SprintMax
who gives a ****.. you seem to be on this trip lately to prove that the VE is better than the VQ.. who gives a **** if it is.. and who gives a **** if it isn't.. the fact is.. the VQ and the VE are still around in nissan products.. you think if you b!tch enough they will start making more parts for VE's? no one cares.. this thread is just like the paper i used to wipe my A$$.. it should be flushed..
who gives a ****.. you seem to be on this trip lately to prove that the VE is better than the VQ.. who gives a **** if it is.. and who gives a **** if it isn't.. the fact is.. the VQ and the VE are still around in nissan products.. you think if you b!tch enough they will start making more parts for VE's? no one cares.. this thread is just like the paper i used to wipe my A$$.. it should be flushed..
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Originally posted by DA-MAX
and you are all missing the point that without the creation of the VG in 85(screw the 1st gen with the L28 ) and eventually implanting it in the Max in 87 many of you all wouldn't even have your VEs or VQs cause most likely the Max wouldn't exist, so can we please put this to rest...GEEEEEEZ! VG power ownz you all cause without it there would be no 4dsc, PERIOD!
Good night.........
and you are all missing the point that without the creation of the VG in 85(screw the 1st gen with the L28
) and eventually implanting it in the Max in 87 many of you all wouldn't even have your VEs or VQs cause most likely the Max wouldn't exist, so can we please put this to rest...GEEEEEEZ! VG power ownz you all cause without it there would be no 4dsc, PERIOD! Good night.........
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But Dave you have seen someone run mid 14's with a modded NA VE 5spd now haven't you (dude you know who you are fruit cake LOL) 
. As for the dyno your car makes about 10-20whp more in the midrange and has the same power fall off as his car does. Other than the UDP and intake you have the Y pipe + B pipe advantage. While I won't say he will have more peak power with simular mods. A VE would hold its power longer than a VQ. Either way both cars are great to start modifications. Where as the VG would need either a motorswap or build + nitrous to run 14s.
. As for the dyno your car makes about 10-20whp more in the midrange and has the same power fall off as his car does. Other than the UDP and intake you have the Y pipe + B pipe advantage. While I won't say he will have more peak power with simular mods. A VE would hold its power longer than a VQ. Either way both cars are great to start modifications. Where as the VG would need either a motorswap or build + nitrous to run 14s.
Originally posted by Dave B
Alright, until I see slip for a NA modded VE hitting 95+mph in the 1/4 mile or getting low to mid 14s in the 1/4 with NA mods, I'll never agree that the VE is a "top end" killer. I looked over Matt93SE's dyno plot and my VQ peaks EXACTLY at the same rpm as his VE. My power falls off at the same pace just like his VE. He's making 150fwhp at 6300rpms and I'm making 152fwhp at 6300rpms. I'm making a ton more torque and HP from 2000-5500 rpms over his VE. I do need to note that I do have a Y-pipe, UDP, and B-pipe.
Dave
Alright, until I see slip for a NA modded VE hitting 95+mph in the 1/4 mile or getting low to mid 14s in the 1/4 with NA mods, I'll never agree that the VE is a "top end" killer. I looked over Matt93SE's dyno plot and my VQ peaks EXACTLY at the same rpm as his VE. My power falls off at the same pace just like his VE. He's making 150fwhp at 6300rpms and I'm making 152fwhp at 6300rpms. I'm making a ton more torque and HP from 2000-5500 rpms over his VE. I do need to note that I do have a Y-pipe, UDP, and B-pipe.
Dave
dude comparing the sentra to the max isnt cool this is about the VE and VQ.. i dont see how the VQ lost the 'edge' over the VE the Sentra SE-R kept an SR20DE and lost its edge because it became alot heavier
just give it a rest... I mean you cant argue that N/A VQs are not running quicker 1/4s-not to say the VEs are far behind....
dude you dont have to prove to us that the VE is the best engine in the world... ur car is a sweet car i dont care what gen what year and just cuz i have a fourth gen with a VQ doesnt mean i dont respect your car... we jus **** around with that ****... haha i mean who wouldnt!?! I know if you had a 4th gen and I had a 3rd gen we'd be talking the same **** just turned around
people who choose NOT to respect the VEs its up to them... you dont have to take on the world! dude imagine how tough it'd be to make a HONDUH guy respect a VE (unless you run him ) I'm sitting here i respect the VE but by no means do i think overall its a better engine than the VQ for the reasons stated in this thread... you dont have to feel like i'm hating on the VE
just give it a rest... I mean you cant argue that N/A VQs are not running quicker 1/4s-not to say the VEs are far behind....
dude you dont have to prove to us that the VE is the best engine in the world... ur car is a sweet car i dont care what gen what year and just cuz i have a fourth gen with a VQ doesnt mean i dont respect your car... we jus **** around with that ****... haha i mean who wouldnt!?! I know if you had a 4th gen and I had a 3rd gen we'd be talking the same **** just turned around
people who choose NOT to respect the VEs its up to them... you dont have to take on the world! dude imagine how tough it'd be to make a HONDUH guy respect a VE (unless you run him
) I'm sitting here i respect the VE but by no means do i think overall its a better engine than the VQ for the reasons stated in this thread... you dont have to feel like i'm hating on the VE
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Originally posted by Nismo87SE
But Dave you have seen someone run mid 14's with a modded NA VE 5spd now haven't you (dude you know who you are fruit cake LOL). As for the dyno your car makes about 10-20whp more in the midrange and has the same power fall off as his car does. Other than the UDP and intake you have the Y pipe + B pipe advantage. While I won't say he will have more peak power with simular mods. A VE would hold its power longer than a VQ. Either way both cars are great to start modifications. Where as the VG would need either a motorswap or build + nitrous to run 14s.
But Dave you have seen someone run mid 14's with a modded NA VE 5spd now haven't you (dude you know who you are fruit cake LOL)
. As for the dyno your car makes about 10-20whp more in the midrange and has the same power fall off as his car does. Other than the UDP and intake you have the Y pipe + B pipe advantage. While I won't say he will have more peak power with simular mods. A VE would hold its power longer than a VQ. Either way both cars are great to start modifications. Where as the VG would need either a motorswap or build + nitrous to run 14s.Nismo:
Yep, I know the certain "fruitcake"
that had the quickest VE in existence (Bryan H). Bryan's mods were fairly extensive. I'm not at liberty to divulge what he had done, but I'll just say the stuff that was done to that motor and 3rd gen body has not been before. I never raced him on the track nor did I ever see him run, but we did play on the street once. It was actually the first time I met him. We were both on our 17s and all I had at the time was an intake and muffler. From 5mph to 70mph we were neck and neck. He was surprised as hell. I believe Bryan's best with his VE was a 14.3@96mph. On the NOS he went high 13s. I'm pretty sure JustinMC has some pics of Bryan at the track. Bryan's VE was very quick, no doubt and his shifting skills are the best I've ever witnessed. I rode with him one night and the motor does pull to 6000+rpms. The thing I noticed was the lack of low and mid range punch. It just didn't snap your neck like the VQ does nor did it get off the line as hard. Bryan rode with me after I got my UDP installed (y-pipe, intake, B-pipe, light wheels) and he was amazed at how quick my VQ was. After seeing my dyno plot, he openingly admitted that my car was making a bit more power than his departed VE. Comparing slips to his, my car is typically trapping out a little quicker than his old VE. We both agree that I may have the quicker car if I were to let him drive it down the 1/4 Dave
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dave B
[B]Alright, until I see slip for a NA modded VE hitting 95+mph in the 1/4 mile or getting low to mid 14s in the 1/4 with NA mods, I'll never agree that the VE is a "top end" killer. I looked over Matt93SE's dyno plot and my VQ peaks EXACTLY at the same rpm as his VE. My power falls off at the same pace just like his VE. He's making 150fwhp at 6300rpms and I'm making 152fwhp at 6300rpms. I'm making a ton more torque and HP from 2000-5500 rpms over his VE. I do need to note that I do have a Y-pipe, UDP, and B-pipe.
i ran a 15.2@91mph with just an intake and lowering springs. . . . . i'm hoping for mid 14's now. . ..
[B]Alright, until I see slip for a NA modded VE hitting 95+mph in the 1/4 mile or getting low to mid 14s in the 1/4 with NA mods, I'll never agree that the VE is a "top end" killer. I looked over Matt93SE's dyno plot and my VQ peaks EXACTLY at the same rpm as his VE. My power falls off at the same pace just like his VE. He's making 150fwhp at 6300rpms and I'm making 152fwhp at 6300rpms. I'm making a ton more torque and HP from 2000-5500 rpms over his VE. I do need to note that I do have a Y-pipe, UDP, and B-pipe.
i ran a 15.2@91mph with just an intake and lowering springs. . . . . i'm hoping for mid 14's now. . ..
and ceasar ran 14.8 bone stock 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by flyry110
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by flyry110
[B]
Originally posted by Dave B
Alright, until I see slip for a NA modded VE hitting 95+mph in the 1/4 mile or getting low to mid 14s in the 1/4 with NA mods, I'll never agree that the VE is a "top end" killer. I looked over Matt93SE's dyno plot and my VQ peaks EXACTLY at the same rpm as his VE. My power falls off at the same pace just like his VE. He's making 150fwhp at 6300rpms and I'm making 152fwhp at 6300rpms. I'm making a ton more torque and HP from 2000-5500 rpms over his VE. I do need to note that I do have a Y-pipe, UDP, and B-pipe.
i ran a 15.2@91mph with just an intake and lowering springs. . . . . i'm hoping for mid 14's now. . ..
Alright, until I see slip for a NA modded VE hitting 95+mph in the 1/4 mile or getting low to mid 14s in the 1/4 with NA mods, I'll never agree that the VE is a "top end" killer. I looked over Matt93SE's dyno plot and my VQ peaks EXACTLY at the same rpm as his VE. My power falls off at the same pace just like his VE. He's making 150fwhp at 6300rpms and I'm making 152fwhp at 6300rpms. I'm making a ton more torque and HP from 2000-5500 rpms over his VE. I do need to note that I do have a Y-pipe, UDP, and B-pipe.
i ran a 15.2@91mph with just an intake and lowering springs. . . . . i'm hoping for mid 14's now. . ..
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Originally posted by Dave B
The beam axle isn't ideal, but it does get the job done. It can get a little frantic in a bump turn, but you've got to remember that this isn't a "live axle" (ie rwd). When you hit a bump with a beam axled fwd car, the rear end doesn't step out.
As far as I remember, the quickest mag time for the VE was along the lines of 15.5@91mph by MT, 6.7 0-60. The 95 SE in MT went 15.2@92mph, 6.6 0-60. Members within this org seem to post quicker and faster numbers with the modded NA VQs over the modded VEs. I believe Matt93SE best was a 15.0 around 92mph. He had a CAI, advanced timing, lightened flywheel and the typical track prep (gutted trunk). It was his first time racing this particular SE. He did quite well. For comparison, I was running 14.7s@95mph that day at the track. I believe our 60 foots were pretty close to one another, 2.3s.
Dave
The beam axle isn't ideal, but it does get the job done. It can get a little frantic in a bump turn, but you've got to remember that this isn't a "live axle" (ie rwd). When you hit a bump with a beam axled fwd car, the rear end doesn't step out.
As far as I remember, the quickest mag time for the VE was along the lines of 15.5@91mph by MT, 6.7 0-60. The 95 SE in MT went 15.2@92mph, 6.6 0-60. Members within this org seem to post quicker and faster numbers with the modded NA VQs over the modded VEs. I believe Matt93SE best was a 15.0 around 92mph. He had a CAI, advanced timing, lightened flywheel and the typical track prep (gutted trunk). It was his first time racing this particular SE. He did quite well. For comparison, I was running 14.7s@95mph that day at the track. I believe our 60 foots were pretty close to one another, 2.3s.
Dave
a 15.0 is a decent time, but i ran a 15.2 with less mods. ghetto intake, and springs. You can't say matt's got the full flywheel, it's a lightened stock unit, which provides gains, but not as much as the aluminum flywheel. . ..
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I agree I knew you trapped at a higher speed than bryan did, so I figured your car is faster. But did Bryan have a Y pipe or ECU upgrade? Other than that I would have to say that since the VQ is a lighter car with more midrange-lowend torque it is faster. You should let him drive your car to a low 14 right before he breaks your tranny doing it 
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I guess everyone needs to relieze that nissan made an improved motor in the VQ30DE over the VG30DE/VE30DE. Its lighter, more powerful and already has a turbo version VQ30DET. There is no doubt that even equal mods the VQ would beat the VE due to more area under the curve. I still belive the VE30DE is a better stock engine for boost though.
. I guess everyone needs to relieze that nissan made an improved motor in the VQ30DE over the VG30DE/VE30DE. Its lighter, more powerful and already has a turbo version VQ30DET. There is no doubt that even equal mods the VQ would beat the VE due to more area under the curve. I still belive the VE30DE is a better stock engine for boost though.
Originally posted by Dave B
Nismo:
Yep, I know the certain "fruitcake" that had the quickest VE in existence (Bryan H). Bryan's mods were fairly extensive. I'm not at liberty to divulge what he had done, but I'll just say the stuff that was done to that motor and 3rd gen body has not been before. I never raced him on the track nor did I ever see him run, but we did play on the street once. It was actually the first time I met him. We were both on our 17s and all I had at the time was an intake and muffler. From 5mph to 70mph we were neck and neck. He was surprised as hell. I believe Bryan's best with his VE was a 14.3@96mph. On the NOS he went high 13s. I'm pretty sure JustinMC has some pics of Bryan at the track. Bryan's VE was very quick, no doubt and his shifting skills are the best I've ever witnessed. I rode with him one night and the motor does pull to 6000+rpms. The thing I noticed was the lack of low and mid range punch. It just didn't snap your neck like the VQ does nor did it get off the line as hard. Bryan rode with me after I got my UDP installed (y-pipe, intake, B-pipe, light wheels) and he was amazed at how quick my VQ was. After seeing my dyno plot, he openingly admitted that my car was making a bit more power than his departed VE. Comparing slips to his, my car is typically trapping out a little quicker than his old VE. We both agree that I may have the quicker car if I were to let him drive it down the 1/4
Dave
Nismo:
Yep, I know the certain "fruitcake"
that had the quickest VE in existence (Bryan H). Bryan's mods were fairly extensive. I'm not at liberty to divulge what he had done, but I'll just say the stuff that was done to that motor and 3rd gen body has not been before. I never raced him on the track nor did I ever see him run, but we did play on the street once. It was actually the first time I met him. We were both on our 17s and all I had at the time was an intake and muffler. From 5mph to 70mph we were neck and neck. He was surprised as hell. I believe Bryan's best with his VE was a 14.3@96mph. On the NOS he went high 13s. I'm pretty sure JustinMC has some pics of Bryan at the track. Bryan's VE was very quick, no doubt and his shifting skills are the best I've ever witnessed. I rode with him one night and the motor does pull to 6000+rpms. The thing I noticed was the lack of low and mid range punch. It just didn't snap your neck like the VQ does nor did it get off the line as hard. Bryan rode with me after I got my UDP installed (y-pipe, intake, B-pipe, light wheels) and he was amazed at how quick my VQ was. After seeing my dyno plot, he openingly admitted that my car was making a bit more power than his departed VE. Comparing slips to his, my car is typically trapping out a little quicker than his old VE. We both agree that I may have the quicker car if I were to let him drive it down the 1/4 Dave
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Originally posted by Dave B
The beam axle isn't ideal, but it does get the job done. It can get a little frantic in a bump turn, but you've got to remember that this isn't a "live axle" (ie rwd). When you hit a bump with a beam axled fwd car, the rear end doesn't step out. Most road courses don't have potholes or ruts in the turns. The beam axle should be entirely fine for road racing. I've pushed my Max pretty hard into some bumpy turns and I never felt out of control. My 94 Z28, on the otherhand.
As far as I remember, the quickest mag time for the VE was along the lines of 15.5@91mph by MT, 6.7 0-60. The 95 SE in MT went 15.2@92mph, 6.6 0-60. Members within this org seem to post quicker and faster numbers with the modded NA VQs over the modded VEs. I believe Matt93SE best was a 15.0 around 92mph. He had a CAI, advanced timing, lightened flywheel and the typical track prep (gutted trunk). It was his first time racing this particular SE. He did quite well. For comparison, I was running 14.7s@95mph that day at the track. I believe our 60 foots were pretty close to one another, 2.3s.
As for weight, here's mine: 96 SE, 5 speed, Bose, full leather, power seat, moonroof, 1/2 tank gas, spare = 2,945lbs. My registration lists the car at 3002lbs. This makes sense assuming I had a little more gas, and the stock exhaust (an extra 20lbs or so).
Dave
The beam axle isn't ideal, but it does get the job done. It can get a little frantic in a bump turn, but you've got to remember that this isn't a "live axle" (ie rwd). When you hit a bump with a beam axled fwd car, the rear end doesn't step out. Most road courses don't have potholes or ruts in the turns. The beam axle should be entirely fine for road racing. I've pushed my Max pretty hard into some bumpy turns and I never felt out of control. My 94 Z28, on the otherhand.
As far as I remember, the quickest mag time for the VE was along the lines of 15.5@91mph by MT, 6.7 0-60. The 95 SE in MT went 15.2@92mph, 6.6 0-60. Members within this org seem to post quicker and faster numbers with the modded NA VQs over the modded VEs. I believe Matt93SE best was a 15.0 around 92mph. He had a CAI, advanced timing, lightened flywheel and the typical track prep (gutted trunk). It was his first time racing this particular SE. He did quite well. For comparison, I was running 14.7s@95mph that day at the track. I believe our 60 foots were pretty close to one another, 2.3s.
As for weight, here's mine: 96 SE, 5 speed, Bose, full leather, power seat, moonroof, 1/2 tank gas, spare = 2,945lbs. My registration lists the car at 3002lbs. This makes sense assuming I had a little more gas, and the stock exhaust (an extra 20lbs or so).
Dave
As far as the road courses - you don't need to exaggerate to make your point - facts are much more fun. Have you ever been on a road course? I have only been on two but neither of them are smooth or even nicely surfaced for that matter. Much like regular streets without the debris. I have only seen two Maximas at the track - both were at Sears Point, both were 5th gens and BOTH spun out (massive oversteer). I even heard someone comment on the "sh!tty rear suspension" a few times. Sure - driver error, but... The only other car out there besides those two to have trouble was an over-exuberant driver in a Trans Am who went off the track. I wish I had the cash to do a few things to my SE so I could see what it's like out there - but I don't. Bummer.
Interesting info about the weight - I can honestly say I am surprised. As far as the track times and performance of your car, nice numbers but this is the first time I have ever heard of anything like that. Seems like your car is the exception rather than the rule or something. I have never even had a minor issue walking away from or at least nosing ahead of any other Maxima on the street or freeway (many other cars as well - except for a 540i that handed me my a$$ one day) even with my completely stock '93 SE. I have never taken my car to a drag strip - and I probably never will though - and that would be the place to bring it down to a true comparison.
I'm sure though in the grand scheme of things, the rear suspension really doesn't matter - it's just sad to me that Nissan did such a downgrade to such a nice car when they upgraded other parts of it.
Anyway, sad to hear the 3rd gen is so outclassed by it's younger brother, but hey - guess that means I will have to keep my car just because I like it or something.
-Jacob
Originally posted by flyry110
Ask newbiemax or whatever his name is. his maxima gets squirly as heck around the bends with progress tech springs. He would actually get scared at times!
Ask newbiemax or whatever his name is. his maxima gets squirly as heck around the bends with progress tech springs. He would actually get scared at times!
they just simple don't know how to drive..
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Originally posted by Dave B
The beam axle isn't ideal, but it does get the job done. It can get a little frantic in a bump turn, but you've got to remember that this isn't a "live axle" (ie rwd). When you hit a bump with a beam axled fwd car, the rear end doesn't step out. Most road courses don't have potholes or ruts in the turns. The beam axle should be entirely fine for road racing. I've pushed my Max pretty hard into some bumpy turns and I never felt out of control. My 94 Z28, on the otherhand.
Dave
The beam axle isn't ideal, but it does get the job done. It can get a little frantic in a bump turn, but you've got to remember that this isn't a "live axle" (ie rwd). When you hit a bump with a beam axled fwd car, the rear end doesn't step out. Most road courses don't have potholes or ruts in the turns. The beam axle should be entirely fine for road racing. I've pushed my Max pretty hard into some bumpy turns and I never felt out of control. My 94 Z28, on the otherhand.
Dave
Dave, do Lightnings have a live rear axle as well? My friend has a '01 SVT and I can't even count how many times he floores it while the car is crooked and he spins around violently, almost hitting trees, or back end swerving from lane to lane...
Anyways, I think FWD is really alot easier to control under certain situations.
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Originally posted by Craig Mack
Dave's right about this one...my friend with a 2000 V6 Mustang 5spd, heavily modded, decided to gun it on a turn. I was following behind him and he turned into a part of the road that was all bumpy with potholes..he downshifted and floored it while his stang wasn't perfectly straight, and me and my friend see his rear violently shake back and forth. He's done stuff like this all the time, becuase it's really hard to control that thing.
Dave, do Lightnings have a live rear axle as well? My friend has a '01 SVT and I can't even count how many times he floores it while the car is crooked and he spins around violently, almost hitting trees, or back end swerving from lane to lane...
Anyways, I think FWD is really alot easier to control under certain situations.
Dave's right about this one...my friend with a 2000 V6 Mustang 5spd, heavily modded, decided to gun it on a turn. I was following behind him and he turned into a part of the road that was all bumpy with potholes..he downshifted and floored it while his stang wasn't perfectly straight, and me and my friend see his rear violently shake back and forth. He's done stuff like this all the time, becuase it's really hard to control that thing.
Dave, do Lightnings have a live rear axle as well? My friend has a '01 SVT and I can't even count how many times he floores it while the car is crooked and he spins around violently, almost hitting trees, or back end swerving from lane to lane...
Anyways, I think FWD is really alot easier to control under certain situations.
The Lightning is a Ford pickup truck. OF COURSE it has a live axle. It also has leaf springs locating said axle. We gonna bring up a lawn tractor next? They have live axles too...
Do you even know what Dave was saying with that paragraph?
-Jacob
Actually Bryan's mods were not extensive at all. Fairly routine mods. His was just driving skill. And body work? far as i know he had no bodywork done. Search and he's told everything that he's done to his car. There's a 3rd gen owner that had comparable mods to a 5spd 4th gen, and they raced. VQ pulled off the line, VE caught and stayed even in the topend and slowly inched away. Dont' remember their names though, both parties backed up the story in the 3rd gen forum.
I've owned a VG and VE. The VE is extremly smooth, mine is the smoothest engine i've ever seen. Except it makes noises due to the fact i snapped an exhaust stud. But in all honesty? I'd take a VQ over a VE. I don't think it's "better" but i do think it is newer, better designed, and better built.
I've owned a VG and VE. The VE is extremly smooth, mine is the smoothest engine i've ever seen. Except it makes noises due to the fact i snapped an exhaust stud. But in all honesty? I'd take a VQ over a VE. I don't think it's "better" but i do think it is newer, better designed, and better built.
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Originally posted by Sith
Actually Bryan's mods were not extensive at all. Fairly routine mods. His was just driving skill. And body work? far as i know he had no bodywork done. Search and he's told everything that he's done to his car. There's a 3rd gen owner that had comparable mods to a 5spd 4th gen, and they raced. VQ pulled off the line, VE caught and stayed even in the topend and slowly inched away. Dont' remember their names though, both parties backed up the story in the 3rd gen forum.
I've owned a VG and VE. The VE is extremly smooth, mine is the smoothest engine i've ever seen. Except it makes noises due to the fact i snapped an exhaust stud. But in all honesty? I'd take a VQ over a VE. I don't think it's "better" but i do think it is newer, better designed, and better built.
Actually Bryan's mods were not extensive at all. Fairly routine mods. His was just driving skill. And body work? far as i know he had no bodywork done. Search and he's told everything that he's done to his car. There's a 3rd gen owner that had comparable mods to a 5spd 4th gen, and they raced. VQ pulled off the line, VE caught and stayed even in the topend and slowly inched away. Dont' remember their names though, both parties backed up the story in the 3rd gen forum.
I've owned a VG and VE. The VE is extremly smooth, mine is the smoothest engine i've ever seen. Except it makes noises due to the fact i snapped an exhaust stud. But in all honesty? I'd take a VQ over a VE. I don't think it's "better" but i do think it is newer, better designed, and better built.
-Jacob
i own both VE and VQ 5sp driven regularly.
VE
for having been developed 10+ years ago it is an outstanding engine. innovations: chain drive , distributorless ignition, 10 to 1 CR, variable capacity intake manifold. with a little more R&D or tenure (only 3yrs) i'm sure it had more potential.
as far as modding is concearned an iron black is great for boost. the VE30DE,VG30DETT,VG30DE share the SAME connecting rods so swapping in some Z32TT pistons and adding a turbo would make a nice project.
if you want to N/A mod it you could swap in some Z32n/a pistons bump the CR up. with a nice ECU program i am sure this would be fun also.
VQ
chain drive , distributorless ignition, 10 to 1 CR, 80lbs lighter then VE, less moving parts then VE, lighter valvetrain, micropolished internals, 3 yrs newer design? (then a VE)
for boost we have already seen the results stillen/jwt/factory JDM.
for n/a the MEVI or 5th gen VQ-K intake manifold is good. even better you might be able to swap in some 2K2 cams or even some 350z cams.
i love both of my cars for different reasons. to be honest since 1992 the 0-60 times of a 5sp maxima have been between 6.6-7.1 sec despite growing hp and tq #'s. to me the whole point of this board and being an "enthusiast" is to enjoy your vehicle and to make it more than what it was/is when you first got it.
VE
for having been developed 10+ years ago it is an outstanding engine. innovations: chain drive , distributorless ignition, 10 to 1 CR, variable capacity intake manifold. with a little more R&D or tenure (only 3yrs) i'm sure it had more potential.
as far as modding is concearned an iron black is great for boost. the VE30DE,VG30DETT,VG30DE share the SAME connecting rods so swapping in some Z32TT pistons and adding a turbo would make a nice project.
if you want to N/A mod it you could swap in some Z32n/a pistons bump the CR up. with a nice ECU program i am sure this would be fun also.
VQ
chain drive , distributorless ignition, 10 to 1 CR, 80lbs lighter then VE, less moving parts then VE, lighter valvetrain, micropolished internals, 3 yrs newer design? (then a VE)
for boost we have already seen the results stillen/jwt/factory JDM.
for n/a the MEVI or 5th gen VQ-K intake manifold is good. even better you might be able to swap in some 2K2 cams or even some 350z cams.
i love both of my cars for different reasons. to be honest since 1992 the 0-60 times of a 5sp maxima have been between 6.6-7.1 sec despite growing hp and tq #'s. to me the whole point of this board and being an "enthusiast" is to enjoy your vehicle and to make it more than what it was/is when you first got it.
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Originally posted by DA-MAX
now I see why Sprint was saying a few weeks back....
now I see why Sprint was saying a few weeks back....
Jacob, the Mustang story was relivant becuase I was replying to Dave's comment on our beam axles and his comment on live axles..and since he knows alot about the 2 I thought I'd direct the Q at him...yes it doesn't have anything to do with VQ vs. VE directly but, I think you'll get over it.
Originally posted by Craig Mack
*edited I need to put my crack pipe down before posting *edited
*edited I need to put my crack pipe down before posting *edited
You have a homie in Cali. 
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Originally posted by Sith
Actually Bryan's mods were not extensive at all. Fairly routine mods. His was just driving skill. And body work? far as i know he had no bodywork done. Search and he's told everything that he's done to his car.
Actually Bryan's mods were not extensive at all. Fairly routine mods. His was just driving skill. And body work? far as i know he had no bodywork done. Search and he's told everything that he's done to his car.
), but Bryan had a few more things on that 3rd gen than he ever posted. We all know he had a 92 SE 5 speed with an intake, no cat, 2.5 catback, muffler, and ported TB. There is more he did to the motor and to the body, but I was told in confidence. Since Bryan is looking at getting another 3rd gen I doubt he would want me divulging some of his "one off" modifications that may be applied to his next Max. The dude is crafty and creative. Maybe he'll step in and tell you his special mods, but my lips are sealed. Dave
well of course i only know what Bryan has told me and some of his friends have told me. But from what Bryan himself has said, he's little "secret sauce" as he says it is his ability to drive. The man can drive a car.
Bryan ran a 14.3 in his car. he let one of his friends drive it and they could only get a 14.6 out of it. 14.6 in a VE is nothing special done to it other than intake exhaust. Bryans skills lied mostly in his driving.
Bryan ran a 14.3 in his car. he let one of his friends drive it and they could only get a 14.6 out of it. 14.6 in a VE is nothing special done to it other than intake exhaust. Bryans skills lied mostly in his driving.
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Originally posted by Dave B
There is more he did to the motor and to the body, but I was told in confidence. Since Bryan is looking at getting another 3rd gen I doubt he would want me divulging some of his "one off" modifications that may be applied to his next Max.
Dave
There is more he did to the motor and to the body, but I was told in confidence. Since Bryan is looking at getting another 3rd gen I doubt he would want me divulging some of his "one off" modifications that may be applied to his next Max.
Dave
By the way, I have read all these posts and I see there are a few people who are kind of silly about the 3rd gen's Amazing Super-niftiness, but you (and a few others) are the opposite end of the spectrum. There is nothing wrong with that at all - love your cars, enjoy the ride, but just remember - everyone is different and it's okay for someone to not like what you like. Honestly, what would be the point of convincing me that my car sucks and that I should buy one like yours? Anyway...
Being all into your cars is awesome, but it's when people start getting all petty and childish about things when it gets stupid and sometimes ugly. Let's all go wash our cars and go for a drive or something.
-Jacob
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Originally posted by jacob
That kind of crap is so stupid. Are we rivaling countries at war? Competing race teams? No - we are a group of people that have an unusual love for our cars. If I did something inventive and crafty to my car that safely gave me a power boost, I would document it, take pictures and tell everyone about it because that's part of what the whole 'automotive community' is about. I understand that it sucks getting harassed by a bezillion people who want to know the tricks, but that's part of it too and it's not hard to deal with.
That kind of crap is so stupid. Are we rivaling countries at war? Competing race teams? No - we are a group of people that have an unusual love for our cars. If I did something inventive and crafty to my car that safely gave me a power boost, I would document it, take pictures and tell everyone about it because that's part of what the whole 'automotive community' is about. I understand that it sucks getting harassed by a bezillion people who want to know the tricks, but that's part of it too and it's not hard to deal with.
Dave
yeah i know
But still what he had from that car were not extensive upgrades.In fact quite afew people in the 3rd gen forum have put them on. Some have even tried out other parts from that car on them.
"there really wasn't much of any secrets involved in it. just the fact it took a damn good driver to do those times. i had let other people drive it to see if it was just me or the car. they only did 14.8-14.9 in it. several times over.
the best mod i ever did to the car? was learning how to drive it"
^^ From Byran himself in a response i made to him about not being able to drive my car.
But still what he had from that car were not extensive upgrades.In fact quite afew people in the 3rd gen forum have put them on. Some have even tried out other parts from that car on them.
"there really wasn't much of any secrets involved in it. just the fact it took a damn good driver to do those times. i had let other people drive it to see if it was just me or the car. they only did 14.8-14.9 in it. several times over.
the best mod i ever did to the car? was learning how to drive it"
^^ From Byran himself in a response i made to him about not being able to drive my car.
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Originally posted by Sith
yeah i know
But still what he had from that car were not extensive upgrades.In fact quite afew people in the 3rd gen forum have put them on. Some have even tried out other parts from that car on them.
"there really wasn't much of any secrets involved in it. just the fact it took a damn good driver to do those times. i had let other people drive it to see if it was just me or the car. they only did 14.8-14.9 in it. several times over.
the best mod i ever did to the car? was learning how to drive it"
^^ From Byran himself in a response i made to him about not being able to drive my car.
yeah i know
But still what he had from that car were not extensive upgrades.In fact quite afew people in the 3rd gen forum have put them on. Some have even tried out other parts from that car on them.
"there really wasn't much of any secrets involved in it. just the fact it took a damn good driver to do those times. i had let other people drive it to see if it was just me or the car. they only did 14.8-14.9 in it. several times over.
the best mod i ever did to the car? was learning how to drive it"
^^ From Byran himself in a response i made to him about not being able to drive my car.
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wowies. im still famous!
i have discussed this many times with other people Ve vs Vq. both motors have insane ability to produce hp. not sure how much psi the bottom end of a ve can take, but kevin has proven it can handle 2.5-13 psi on a stock lower end vq is peachy
i have also said this many times over. the mods i had done to my ve 5spd will work on ANY motor. i was used to hanging out with domestic guys and got majority of my idea's from them with out even cracking open a turbo magazine or super street.
with intake, removed silencer, no cat, 2.5 inch exhaust, and a muffler {sort of} it went 14.6
350 bucks in mods.
i had to dig deeper into the motor and other places to get the 14.3. the 14.3 was done without a modified ecu mas air. or anything else, was done without cracking open a valve cover.
then again had the car two years and about 6 clutches later and a tranny, i got it all right. im not sure if i can reproduce it now or not, its been so long. there are some things i have forgotten over time and new idea's that i have.
remember kids, the same idea's and mods i had on the ve will work on the vq, and the vg.
i prefer the VE myself, i like top end power. being able to walk away from vettes at 105 mph is always fun.
i have discussed this many times with other people Ve vs Vq. both motors have insane ability to produce hp. not sure how much psi the bottom end of a ve can take, but kevin has proven it can handle 2.5-13 psi on a stock lower end vq is peachy
i have also said this many times over. the mods i had done to my ve 5spd will work on ANY motor. i was used to hanging out with domestic guys and got majority of my idea's from them with out even cracking open a turbo magazine or super street.
with intake, removed silencer, no cat, 2.5 inch exhaust, and a muffler {sort of} it went 14.6
350 bucks in mods.
i had to dig deeper into the motor and other places to get the 14.3. the 14.3 was done without a modified ecu mas air. or anything else, was done without cracking open a valve cover.
then again had the car two years and about 6 clutches later and a tranny, i got it all right. im not sure if i can reproduce it now or not, its been so long. there are some things i have forgotten over time and new idea's that i have.
remember kids, the same idea's and mods i had on the ve will work on the vq, and the vg.
i prefer the VE myself, i like top end power. being able to walk away from vettes at 105 mph is always fun.
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Originally posted by Bryan H
wowies. im still famous!
i have discussed this many times with other people Ve vs Vq. both motors have insane ability to produce hp. not sure how much psi the bottom end of a ve can take, but kevin has proven it can handle 2.5-13 psi on a stock lower end vq is peachy
i have also said this many times over. the mods i had done to my ve 5spd will work on ANY motor. i was used to hanging out with domestic guys and got majority of my idea's from them with out even cracking open a turbo magazine or super street.
with intake, removed silencer, no cat, 2.5 inch exhaust, and a muffler {sort of} it went 14.6
350 bucks in mods.
i had to dig deeper into the motor and other places to get the 14.3. the 14.3 was done without a modified ecu mas air. or anything else, was done without cracking open a valve cover.
then again had the car two years and about 6 clutches later and a tranny, i got it all right. im not sure if i can reproduce it now or not, its been so long. there are some things i have forgotten over time and new idea's that i have.
remember kids, the same idea's and mods i had on the ve will work on the vq, and the vg.
i prefer the VE myself, i like top end power. being able to walk away from vettes at 105 mph is always fun.
wowies. im still famous!
i have discussed this many times with other people Ve vs Vq. both motors have insane ability to produce hp. not sure how much psi the bottom end of a ve can take, but kevin has proven it can handle 2.5-13 psi on a stock lower end vq is peachy
i have also said this many times over. the mods i had done to my ve 5spd will work on ANY motor. i was used to hanging out with domestic guys and got majority of my idea's from them with out even cracking open a turbo magazine or super street.
with intake, removed silencer, no cat, 2.5 inch exhaust, and a muffler {sort of} it went 14.6
350 bucks in mods.
i had to dig deeper into the motor and other places to get the 14.3. the 14.3 was done without a modified ecu mas air. or anything else, was done without cracking open a valve cover.
then again had the car two years and about 6 clutches later and a tranny, i got it all right. im not sure if i can reproduce it now or not, its been so long. there are some things i have forgotten over time and new idea's that i have.
remember kids, the same idea's and mods i had on the ve will work on the vq, and the vg.
i prefer the VE myself, i like top end power. being able to walk away from vettes at 105 mph is always fun.
you email me the secrets on how to get my car lighter, and i dont tell anyone