ice in the intake...crazy idea
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ice in the intake...crazy idea
ok im bored so cut me some slack......im going to the track tomorow and its supposed to be hot as **** so im going to do everything i can to make my car run its best. i was thinking.....i have the lower half of my airbox in place underneath my hybrid setup and it has a hose running underneath my car.....what if i put like a little ice pak (wrapped in plastci so water doesn't get out when it melts) underneath a little screen in the aribox to make the air colder when being sucked in the intake? would this work? or am i a worthless idiot......please don't flame me i dont think i can take it
Trevor
Trevor
#2
Hold an icepak in your right hand for a minute. Now, pass that icepak grazing your left hand very quickly. Does your left feel as cool as your right? The point is, the air will be rushing by so fast that the pak won't cool down that much, if at all. You would need alot of icepaks, but then we're talking restricted airflow now.
The icepak would be best used to cool down your intake manifold between runs. Reduce the heat soak.
DW
The icepak would be best used to cool down your intake manifold between runs. Reduce the heat soak.
DW
#4
get a couple bags of ice, a cooler and call it a day
place on bag on your intake manifold and the other on the tb. don't worry about the intake pipe itself. that gets over ridden by the cold intake manifold
it works. did it on my ve
place on bag on your intake manifold and the other on the tb. don't worry about the intake pipe itself. that gets over ridden by the cold intake manifold
it works. did it on my ve
#12
Originally posted by Bryan H
the best heat transfer object in nature, is not nitrous, nor dry ice
its water
the best heat transfer object in nature, is not nitrous, nor dry ice
its water
#13
Re: Re: Re: Re: ice in the intake...crazy idea
Originally posted by mzmtg
As the dry ice sublimes, it will pollute the intake charge with excess CO2. This would not be good...
As the dry ice sublimes, it will pollute the intake charge with excess CO2. This would not be good...
I would think the O2 would be beneficial to combustion.
#15
Originally posted by NmexMAX
Thats why a coolant mixture with more water than anti-freeze cools better, and coolant mixture with less water cools less effectively, but wont freeze.
Thats why a coolant mixture with more water than anti-freeze cools better, and coolant mixture with less water cools less effectively, but wont freeze.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ice in the intake...crazy idea
Originally posted by mzmtg
CO2 ... not O2...
Dry ice is solid CO2
CO2 ... not O2...
Dry ice is solid CO2
Sort of like N20 providing MORE oxygen for combustion.
Don't flame me, I slept through Chemistry(damn 8:00am freshman course), but still got a B.
#17
Originally posted by Bryan H
get a couple bags of ice, a cooler and call it a day
place on bag on your intake manifold and the other on the tb. don't worry about the intake pipe itself. that gets over ridden by the cold intake manifold
it works. did it on my ve
get a couple bags of ice, a cooler and call it a day
place on bag on your intake manifold and the other on the tb. don't worry about the intake pipe itself. that gets over ridden by the cold intake manifold
it works. did it on my ve
#18
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Originally posted by Mizeree_X
You're close, but technically that is the case because water has a very high heat capacity so it can absorb a very large amount of energy without rising in temperature too much (compared to other liquids).
You're close, but technically that is the case because water has a very high heat capacity so it can absorb a very large amount of energy without rising in temperature too much (compared to other liquids).
Also, in the above example the water-to-steam change is an endothermic reaction ABSORBS heat from the intake charge. This is the theory behind water injection.
#19
Mmmmmm...lots of chemistry in this thread. I suck at chemistry, but don't tell my boss though, I currently work as an environmental engineer
Trevor, screw the ice at the intake or on the intake manifold. It's simply too hot to make a difference. It's currently 93 degrees outside (I've been working in it for the past 3 days). When it's this hot out, it doesn't make a difference if you can cool down your car because the air is already very hot and humid (big killer) plus you'll be sitting in line for much of the day getting ready to race which means your intake manifold and every connected to it will be insanely hot. I suggest you get to KCIR when the gates open (9am) and make as many passes as you can before the temps get into the upper 80s (~12pm). It's going to be well into the 90s this weekend. Don't expect any new bests. Not to poop on your fun tommorrow, but you'll probably be looking at running a new worst ET. Seeing that you were approximately .2-.3 slower in 70 degree weather, you'll be about .5 seconds and 2-3 mph slower in mid 80+ weather. Trust me, I know. This is why I'm not racing this summer. There's no point in punishing my car when I know there's no chance of a best ET.
I'll see you on Sunday.
Dave
Trevor, screw the ice at the intake or on the intake manifold. It's simply too hot to make a difference. It's currently 93 degrees outside (I've been working in it for the past 3 days). When it's this hot out, it doesn't make a difference if you can cool down your car because the air is already very hot and humid (big killer) plus you'll be sitting in line for much of the day getting ready to race which means your intake manifold and every connected to it will be insanely hot. I suggest you get to KCIR when the gates open (9am) and make as many passes as you can before the temps get into the upper 80s (~12pm). It's going to be well into the 90s this weekend. Don't expect any new bests. Not to poop on your fun tommorrow, but you'll probably be looking at running a new worst ET. Seeing that you were approximately .2-.3 slower in 70 degree weather, you'll be about .5 seconds and 2-3 mph slower in mid 80+ weather. Trust me, I know. This is why I'm not racing this summer. There's no point in punishing my car when I know there's no chance of a best ET.
I'll see you on Sunday.
Dave
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ice in the intake...crazy idea
Originally posted by IceY2K1
Isn't that the same. The more oxygen the better.
Sort of like N20 providing MORE oxygen for combustion.
Don't flame me, I slept through Chemistry(damn 8:00am freshman course), but still got a B.
Isn't that the same. The more oxygen the better.
Sort of like N20 providing MORE oxygen for combustion.
Don't flame me, I slept through Chemistry(damn 8:00am freshman course), but still got a B.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ice in the intake...crazy idea
Originally posted by Anachronism
CO2 = Carbon Dioxide and carbon dioxide does not support combustion, or life for that matter.
CO2 = Carbon Dioxide and carbon dioxide does not support combustion, or life for that matter.
u ish wrong sir...we (human) inhale oxygen...then we exhale carbon dioxide....with plants...they inhale carbon dioxide then exhale oxygen...or am i thinking of something else...o well...atleast i tried to sound smart....
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ice in the intake...crazy idea
Originally posted by Yellowbrother
u ish wrong sir...we (human) inhale oxygen...then we exhale carbon dioxide....with plants...they inhale carbon dioxide then exhale oxygen...or am i thinking of something else...o well...atleast i tried to sound smart....
u ish wrong sir...we (human) inhale oxygen...then we exhale carbon dioxide....with plants...they inhale carbon dioxide then exhale oxygen...or am i thinking of something else...o well...atleast i tried to sound smart....
In any case your car would not run if it took in only carbon dioxide and I imagine there would be some power loss if there was carbon dioxide mixed with the incoming air or more than is normally present.
#23
Re: ice in the intake...crazy idea
Originally posted by Soon2BMaxed
ok im bored so cut me some slack......im going to the track tomorow and its supposed to be hot as **** so im going to do everything i can to make my car run its best. i was thinking.....i have the lower half of my airbox in place underneath my hybrid setup and it has a hose running underneath my car.....what if i put like a little ice pak (wrapped in plastci so water doesn't get out when it melts) underneath a little screen in the aribox to make the air colder when being sucked in the intake? would this work? or am i a worthless idiot......please don't flame me i dont think i can take it
Trevor
ok im bored so cut me some slack......im going to the track tomorow and its supposed to be hot as **** so im going to do everything i can to make my car run its best. i was thinking.....i have the lower half of my airbox in place underneath my hybrid setup and it has a hose running underneath my car.....what if i put like a little ice pak (wrapped in plastci so water doesn't get out when it melts) underneath a little screen in the aribox to make the air colder when being sucked in the intake? would this work? or am i a worthless idiot......please don't flame me i dont think i can take it
Trevor
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Re: ice in the intake...crazy idea
Originally posted by Soon2BMaxed
ok im bored so cut me some slack......im going to the track tomorow and its supposed to be hot as **** so im going to do everything i can to make my car run its best. i was thinking.....i have the lower half of my airbox in place underneath my hybrid setup and it has a hose running underneath my car.....what if i put like a little ice pak (wrapped in plastci so water doesn't get out when it melts) underneath a little screen in the aribox to make the air colder when being sucked in the intake? would this work? or am i a worthless idiot......please don't flame me i dont think i can take it
Trevor
ok im bored so cut me some slack......im going to the track tomorow and its supposed to be hot as **** so im going to do everything i can to make my car run its best. i was thinking.....i have the lower half of my airbox in place underneath my hybrid setup and it has a hose running underneath my car.....what if i put like a little ice pak (wrapped in plastci so water doesn't get out when it melts) underneath a little screen in the aribox to make the air colder when being sucked in the intake? would this work? or am i a worthless idiot......please don't flame me i dont think i can take it
Trevor
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ice in the intake...crazy idea
Originally posted by PATRICK94SE
CO2 Puts out fires
CO2 Puts out fires
#29
Originally posted by PATRICK94SE
There is no way that any amount of ice would last more then ten minutes in the engine bay
There is no way that any amount of ice would last more then ten minutes in the engine bay
#30
It would depend. I suppose if you used several layers and changed them every run you have a good chance. I however doubt that it would have any great effect on the air temp other than keeping it from getting hotter, although that would happen as soon as it entered the TB.
BTW co2 can be used in the nitrous style intercoolers but that is a closed system that will not release the gas into the intake
BTW co2 can be used in the nitrous style intercoolers but that is a closed system that will not release the gas into the intake
#32
Originally posted by Dave B
Mmmmmm...lots of chemistry in this thread. I suck at chemistry, but don't tell my boss though, I currently work as an environmental engineer
Trevor, screw the ice at the intake or on the intake manifold. It's simply too hot to make a difference. It's currently 93 degrees outside (I've been working in it for the past 3 days). When it's this hot out, it doesn't make a difference if you can cool down your car because the air is already very hot and humid (big killer) plus you'll be sitting in line for much of the day getting ready to race which means your intake manifold and every connected to it will be insanely hot. I suggest you get to KCIR when the gates open (9am) and make as many passes as you can before the temps get into the upper 80s (~12pm). It's going to be well into the 90s this weekend. Don't expect any new bests. Not to poop on your fun tommorrow, but you'll probably be looking at running a new worst ET. Seeing that you were approximately .2-.3 slower in 70 degree weather, you'll be about .5 seconds and 2-3 mph slower in mid 80+ weather. Trust me, I know. This is why I'm not racing this summer. There's no point in punishing my car when I know there's no chance of a best ET.
I'll see you on Sunday.
Dave
Mmmmmm...lots of chemistry in this thread. I suck at chemistry, but don't tell my boss though, I currently work as an environmental engineer
Trevor, screw the ice at the intake or on the intake manifold. It's simply too hot to make a difference. It's currently 93 degrees outside (I've been working in it for the past 3 days). When it's this hot out, it doesn't make a difference if you can cool down your car because the air is already very hot and humid (big killer) plus you'll be sitting in line for much of the day getting ready to race which means your intake manifold and every connected to it will be insanely hot. I suggest you get to KCIR when the gates open (9am) and make as many passes as you can before the temps get into the upper 80s (~12pm). It's going to be well into the 90s this weekend. Don't expect any new bests. Not to poop on your fun tommorrow, but you'll probably be looking at running a new worst ET. Seeing that you were approximately .2-.3 slower in 70 degree weather, you'll be about .5 seconds and 2-3 mph slower in mid 80+ weather. Trust me, I know. This is why I'm not racing this summer. There's no point in punishing my car when I know there's no chance of a best ET.
I'll see you on Sunday.
Dave
Trevor
#34
crazy idea but what about rigging the washer nozzle squirters so that they spray the radiator? maybe fill the resovoir with ice water. dont think it will help performance but may help things cool down after hard runs at the track
#35
Last night as I fell asleep, I had the craziest idea. Consider this: What do you do when the inside of the car is too hot? Turn on the a/c! What does your engine want to run better? Cold air! So, logically, we route the a/c into the intake, giving us cool air in any weather! Problem #1: Probably wouldn't supply enough air, but it would be a cooling supplement. Problem #2: Running the a/c would probably rob more power than it supplies. Too bad...it'd be an easy fix on a hot day if it worked....
#36
well im back from the track, i didn't do very well all i ran were 15.1s and several 15.2s but i did ice the intake and tb down between runs for 20 minutes or so. i think i would have done better but my 60fts were killing me (best of 2.3--)
#37
Originally posted by Bryan H
ya know, speaking of air temps, i thought id say this
i have gotten mybest times ever out of any of my cars in the dead heat of summer, here in kc and in dallas. over 100 degrees on the track.
thought id share this.
ya know, speaking of air temps, i thought id say this
i have gotten mybest times ever out of any of my cars in the dead heat of summer, here in kc and in dallas. over 100 degrees on the track.
thought id share this.
Dave
#38
mine was too, but i also pulled the corner lens, headlight and grill out to get a more solid rish of air.
maybe it was just me driving harder because i was melting in the car
who knows
also. when i was at the staging lights themselves the car was just barely over cold
maybe a 1/8th of an inch
that might have had something to do with it
maybe it was just me driving harder because i was melting in the car
who knows
also. when i was at the staging lights themselves the car was just barely over cold
maybe a 1/8th of an inch
that might have had something to do with it
#40
Originally posted by Bryan H
ya know, speaking of air temps, i thought id say this
i have gotten mybest times ever out of any of my cars in the dead heat of summer, here in kc and in dallas. over 100 degrees on the track.
thought id share this.
ya know, speaking of air temps, i thought id say this
i have gotten mybest times ever out of any of my cars in the dead heat of summer, here in kc and in dallas. over 100 degrees on the track.
thought id share this.