Way to Fix Oversteer with the FSTB
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Way to Fix Oversteer with the FSTB
Ok guys, as many of you have experienced. Our Maximas have and excessive amount of understeer without the FSTB. But after the addition of the FSTB, it kinda gives us a little too much oversteer. I mean, I am not complaining, but I think I found a solution that may work.
Why don't we install a rubber bushing in between the FSTB bracket and the body of the car, that can compress when the weight of the car is applied to that strut during hard manuevering? Do you follow me? This will still allow the FSTB to function as it always has, but maybe "decrease" the amount of oversteer.
Anyone else want to elaborate on this? Just an idea.
Why don't we install a rubber bushing in between the FSTB bracket and the body of the car, that can compress when the weight of the car is applied to that strut during hard manuevering? Do you follow me? This will still allow the FSTB to function as it always has, but maybe "decrease" the amount of oversteer.
Anyone else want to elaborate on this? Just an idea.
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i thought the sway bar gave the over steer while the strut bar sort of counteracted by keepin the front solid. eh i duno. cuz ive noticed, when my agxs are tighter on the front and soft in back, i dont have as much oversteer, while if i tighten up the back, the a$$ swings around. just me spewin off.
Re: Way to Fix Oversteer with the FSTB
Originally posted by Ramius83
Ok guys, as many of you have experienced. Our Maximas have and excessive amount of understeer without the FSTB. But after the addition of the FSTB, it kinda gives us a little too much oversteer. I mean, I am not complaining, but I think I found a solution that may work.
Why don't we install a rubber bushing in between the FSTB bracket and the body of the car, that can compress when the weight of the car is applied to that strut during hard manuevering? Do you follow me? This will still allow the FSTB to function as it always has, but maybe "decrease" the amount of oversteer.
Anyone else want to elaborate on this? Just an idea.
Ok guys, as many of you have experienced. Our Maximas have and excessive amount of understeer without the FSTB. But after the addition of the FSTB, it kinda gives us a little too much oversteer. I mean, I am not complaining, but I think I found a solution that may work.
Why don't we install a rubber bushing in between the FSTB bracket and the body of the car, that can compress when the weight of the car is applied to that strut during hard manuevering? Do you follow me? This will still allow the FSTB to function as it always has, but maybe "decrease" the amount of oversteer.
Anyone else want to elaborate on this? Just an idea.
Re: Re: Way to Fix Oversteer with the FSTB
Originally posted by iwannabmw
My solution was to put a RSB on it. Worked great and took the car to the next level.
My solution was to put a RSB on it. Worked great and took the car to the next level.
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Re: Way to Fix Oversteer with the FSTB
Originally posted by Ramius83
Ok guys, as many of you have experienced. Our Maximas have and excessive amount of understeer without the FSTB. But after the addition of the FSTB, it kinda gives us a little too much oversteer. I mean, I am not complaining, but I think I found a solution that may work.
Why don't we install a rubber bushing in between the FSTB bracket and the body of the car, that can compress when the weight of the car is applied to that strut during hard manuevering? Do you follow me? This will still allow the FSTB to function as it always has, but maybe "decrease" the amount of oversteer.
Anyone else want to elaborate on this? Just an idea.
Ok guys, as many of you have experienced. Our Maximas have and excessive amount of understeer without the FSTB. But after the addition of the FSTB, it kinda gives us a little too much oversteer. I mean, I am not complaining, but I think I found a solution that may work.
Why don't we install a rubber bushing in between the FSTB bracket and the body of the car, that can compress when the weight of the car is applied to that strut during hard manuevering? Do you follow me? This will still allow the FSTB to function as it always has, but maybe "decrease" the amount of oversteer.
Anyone else want to elaborate on this? Just an idea.
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textbook answer would be that a FSTB would cause understeer if anything. and a RSB would cause oversteer. my advice is to spend that $120 for an addco RSB and then get used to the new handling characteristics of your car. I also think you should pay close attention to your tires and air pressure. If you feel you have too much oversteer than make the front and back tire pressures equal (factory calls for the front to be higher so you get a little oversteer). maybe even drop the back pressure 1-3psi from the front.
Do you realize if you put rubber bushings on FSTb, your front suspension will be loose as the bolts hold it to the frame of the car. Putting bushings will give it a lot of play and it may even break off.
A wha? A FSTB only stiffens the box made by the engine bay. It in no way has any bearing on the general handling characteristics of the car. If it understeered before, it will after you install the FSTB. The ONLY way to change the over/understeering of your car is by using different thickness swaybars.
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Your Maxima oversteers?? I have all the suspension goodies on my Max and it still understeers big time, even with the Addco RSB. I'm not complaining, I am happy with the handling, but I find it improbable that the FSTB will cause oversteer.
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Originally posted by Eric L.
Your Maxima oversteers?? I have all the suspension goodies on my Max and it still understeers big time, even with the Addco RSB. I'm not complaining, I am happy with the handling, but I find it improbable that the FSTB will cause oversteer.
Your Maxima oversteers?? I have all the suspension goodies on my Max and it still understeers big time, even with the Addco RSB. I'm not complaining, I am happy with the handling, but I find it improbable that the FSTB will cause oversteer.
for me....oversteer is when i go around corners at 40mph and the butt of the car swings around the corner wide even though the front of the car made the turn close to the curb.....does that description describe oversteer??
my rsb will be installed manana!!!
Originally posted by ms.thicknes
ok...oversteer and understeer...can ya be a lil more specific about what you mean??
for me....oversteer is when i go around corners at 40mph and the butt of the car swings around the corner wide even though the front of the car made the turn close to the curb.....does that description describe oversteer??
my rsb will be installed manana!!!
ok...oversteer and understeer...can ya be a lil more specific about what you mean??
for me....oversteer is when i go around corners at 40mph and the butt of the car swings around the corner wide even though the front of the car made the turn close to the curb.....does that description describe oversteer??
my rsb will be installed manana!!!
oversteer is inherent in RWD cars because the rear wheels are providing the power while the front are providing the direction, so even after turning the front wheels, the rear wheels tend to continue in the straight line pushing the car outwards.
understeer is a characteristic of FWD cars like ours since the front wheel is providing the drive as well as the direction and pulling the rear wheels with it, so when a turn is made, the rear is pulled along inwards thus making a narrower turn.
correct me if i am wrong guys...but thats my $0.02
Originally posted by MaximaRox
yes, oversteer is when your front makes the turn but your rear goes wide pushing outwards away from the curb while understeer is when your front makes the turn while your rear makes a narrower turn pulling inwards into the curb.
oversteer is inherent in RWD cars because the rear wheels are providing the power while the front are providing the direction, so even after turning the front wheels, the rear wheels tend to continue in the straight line pushing the car outwards.
understeer is a characteristic of FWD cars like ours since the front wheel is providing the drive as well as the direction and pulling the rear wheels with it, so when a turn is made, the rear is pulled along inwards thus making a narrower turn.
correct me if i am wrong guys...but thats my $0.02
yes, oversteer is when your front makes the turn but your rear goes wide pushing outwards away from the curb while understeer is when your front makes the turn while your rear makes a narrower turn pulling inwards into the curb.
oversteer is inherent in RWD cars because the rear wheels are providing the power while the front are providing the direction, so even after turning the front wheels, the rear wheels tend to continue in the straight line pushing the car outwards.
understeer is a characteristic of FWD cars like ours since the front wheel is providing the drive as well as the direction and pulling the rear wheels with it, so when a turn is made, the rear is pulled along inwards thus making a narrower turn.
correct me if i am wrong guys...but thats my $0.02
Originally posted by iwannabmw
I like these definitions better:
Oversteer = scared passengers.
Understeer = scared driver
I like these definitions better:
Oversteer = scared passengers.
Understeer = scared driver
http://www.brownandwilliamson.com/in...130%26Sect%3D3
(first result of yahoo! search "understeer vs. oversteer")
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Originally posted by MaximaRox
yes, oversteer is when your front makes the turn but your rear goes wide pushing outwards away from the curb while understeer is when your front makes the turn while your rear makes a narrower turn pulling inwards into the curb.
oversteer is inherent in RWD cars because the rear wheels are providing the power while the front are providing the direction, so even after turning the front wheels, the rear wheels tend to continue in the straight line pushing the car outwards.
understeer is a characteristic of FWD cars like ours since the front wheel is providing the drive as well as the direction and pulling the rear wheels with it, so when a turn is made, the rear is pulled along inwards thus making a narrower turn.
correct me if i am wrong guys...but thats my $0.02
yes, oversteer is when your front makes the turn but your rear goes wide pushing outwards away from the curb while understeer is when your front makes the turn while your rear makes a narrower turn pulling inwards into the curb.
oversteer is inherent in RWD cars because the rear wheels are providing the power while the front are providing the direction, so even after turning the front wheels, the rear wheels tend to continue in the straight line pushing the car outwards.
understeer is a characteristic of FWD cars like ours since the front wheel is providing the drive as well as the direction and pulling the rear wheels with it, so when a turn is made, the rear is pulled along inwards thus making a narrower turn.
correct me if i am wrong guys...but thats my $0.02
Originally posted by ms.thicknes
the rear sway bar that I just installed today makes a BIG noticable difference in body roll.....I got the addco from greg....a worthy investment!!
the rear sway bar that I just installed today makes a BIG noticable difference in body roll.....I got the addco from greg....a worthy investment!!
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Originally posted by MaximaRox
oh yeah !! RSB was my first mod. immediately took the car out for a spin on a nice windy road. loved every bit of it...plus lane changes at high speed has never felt much tighter
oh yeah !! RSB was my first mod. immediately took the car out for a spin on a nice windy road. loved every bit of it...plus lane changes at high speed has never felt much tighter
maxima.org should be written into the sales contract...you must sign up with the org within 5 days or the org members get to strip you car and scatter the pieces amongst thier own cars!!!
and since I just had a traumatic experience with the mini me on the mini motorcycle...i got dibs on the rims LOL
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