HID question for I30 ...sorry for the repost!
03-06-2006, 08:18 AM
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HID question for I30 ...sorry for the repost!
my appologies for reposting this again..i know that this has been discussed several times before..
I want to buy some HID's for my 2001 I30. I am planning to purchase them through carparts.com..i believe 1120 a piece. What all do i need to get them to work from a non HID I30? is it just plug and play
I want to buy some HID's for my 2001 I30. I am planning to purchase them through carparts.com..i believe 1120 a piece. What all do i need to get them to work from a non HID I30? is it just plug and play
03-06-2006, 09:21 AM
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for sure dieselX...and i want to make sure my parts that i buy are legit and 100% not stolen..I would rather pay the high price for a genuine part from nissan rather than someone elses HID's from say NY or Cali.
03-06-2006, 09:25 AM
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kingofsorrow...I did notice something about umnitza's HID conversion project but i thought they were for only 5th gen maximas. I didnt know that the design of the I30 headlamps were the same as the 5th gens. Is it rather significantly cheaper to go this router rather than to buy the whole I35 headlamp setup ( ballasts and all?)
03-06-2006, 09:27 AM
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Seriously just go with a good kit. The 9006 reflector is one of the best candidates for a retrofit. You'll be done for $400-$500 (maybe less, I havent really looked at prices recently) instead of $2k+. Check the GD section, Umnitza might still be having a sale.
Just make sure to re-aim after you're done with the install.
If you're worried about glare, purchase or make a cutoff shield.
Just make sure to re-aim after you're done with the install.
If you're worried about glare, purchase or make a cutoff shield.
03-06-2006, 09:40 AM
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WOW, that's a lot of money, i just bought a kit for $200.00
http://www.hid-lights.com/
it all depends on the buyer what you are willing to buy, i was willing to buy a kit for $200.00 lol.
http://www.hid-lights.com/
it all depends on the buyer what you are willing to buy, i was willing to buy a kit for $200.00 lol.
03-06-2006, 12:27 PM
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ok so after looking at 20+ pages of the helios conversion kit on the GD forum. I am rather confused now on what to buy. I looked for 9006 on the forums but no one posted pictures of it yet. maximabest says that its just a plug and play kit that fits just right. I guess i'm confused with the H3/H4/9000/etc fittings....
03-06-2006, 06:14 PM
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hey naijai where did you get your hid conversion kit?? I also have another question: so if you get....say 9006, can you switch different 1000X Kelvin bulbs or does the 9006 mean that you just get on specific Kelvin type bulb? I would like to go close to mercedes/BMW style HID's...I read on the other forums that its roughly a 7000K~9000K bulb.
This HID stuff can get rather confusing...now i know why most people steal these suckers off of I35's....
This HID stuff can get rather confusing...now i know why most people steal these suckers off of I35's....
03-06-2006, 07:18 PM
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i got the 6000K which would be higher than stock which i believe is 4300K gives good output and slight purpulish color anyh higher would mostly be for look rather than light output
the reason the mercedes and bmw headlights look like that are because they have projectors headlights
the reason the mercedes and bmw headlights look like that are because they have projectors headlights
03-06-2006, 07:34 PM
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Hey flipinstyxs, I'm not saying you should buy stolen parts, I'm saying careful not to get your shyt robbed. I've heard stories of people's lights getting stolen in broad daylight in busy streets, so even if you have a garage, you're bound to go out and park somewhere.
03-06-2006, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DieselX
Hey flipinstyxs, I'm not saying you should buy stolen parts, I'm saying careful not to get your shyt robbed. I've heard stories of people's lights getting stolen in broad daylight in busy streets, so even if you have a garage, you're bound to go out and park somewhere.
03-06-2006, 10:29 PM
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I think i may do the retrofit of the HID kit..just because i want a headlamp that is black with them crazy halo lights; the stock chome on the headlamp just doesnt cut it for me anymore..especially since my I30 is black. If i can snag one of these black headlamp sets from ebay and then ghetto rig it with some mad HID kits then this might be one worthwhile project.
I think i may stick with an 7K or 8K bulb..but i have to use a 9006 setup right?
I think i may stick with an 7K or 8K bulb..but i have to use a 9006 setup right?
03-06-2006, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by flipinstyxs
I think i may do the retrofit of the HID kit..just because i want a headlamp that is black with them crazy halo lights; the stock chome on the headlamp just doesnt cut it for me anymore..especially since my I30 is black. If i can snag one of these black headlamp sets from ebay and then ghetto rig it with some mad HID kits then this might be one worthwhile project.
I think i may stick with an 7K or 8K bulb..but i have to use a 9006 setup right?
I think i may stick with an 7K or 8K bulb..but i have to use a 9006 setup right?
03-06-2006, 10:54 PM
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03-07-2006, 04:25 AM
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There is no need to spend $1200+ on a kit. You can buy it for about $200-$300. Retrofitting some projectors would be the best available option or you can just go with a kit. But please, get a wiring harness so you don't fry your OEM factory harness.
03-07-2006, 09:28 AM
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I'd just get some relays and wire the Ballasts directly to the battery. The relay will make it so your stock harnesses will control the lights, but they will draw their prower from the battery.
This way you dont have to worry about frying any of your stock electronics. These HID ballasts draw a lot of initial power to start up the bulbs.
This way you dont have to worry about frying any of your stock electronics. These HID ballasts draw a lot of initial power to start up the bulbs.
03-07-2006, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by NewLoveI30
I'd just get some relays and wire the Ballasts directly to the battery. The relay will make it so your stock harnesses will control the lights, but they will draw their prower from the battery.
This way you dont have to worry about frying any of your stock electronics. These HID ballasts draw a lot of initial power to start up the bulbs.
This way you dont have to worry about frying any of your stock electronics. These HID ballasts draw a lot of initial power to start up the bulbs.
being that they are 35W ballasts how will they fry the harnesses
03-07-2006, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NewLoveI30
I'd just get some relays and wire the Ballasts directly to the battery. The relay will make it so your stock harnesses will control the lights, but they will draw their prower from the battery.
This way you dont have to worry about frying any of your stock electronics. These HID ballasts draw a lot of initial power to start up the bulbs.
This way you dont have to worry about frying any of your stock electronics. These HID ballasts draw a lot of initial power to start up the bulbs.
You're right on the money. The juice the ballasts draw during initial startup is HUGE. I would never want to run that through stock wiring. IMO, relays with power wires run straight to the battery are a MUST.
For reference:
How can I ensure that I do not fry my cars internal headlight harness?
During normal HID operation, you use only 42 watts (35W to run the bulb plus 7W in heat losses in ballast) instead of the 55 watts that the halogen bulb uses, which is less, but, during HID cold startup, and for the first several seconds during warmup, the HID system can draw up to triple the normal operating power to run the ignitor circuit during that time. As the bulb warms up, the current draw tapers down to the normal running level. By powering the ballast through a relay straight from the battery to HID ballast, the heavy load is removed from stock headlight curcuit. Triggering the relay only requires 0.1 amps, so stock headlamp curcuit has no problem powering that. A relay is just a remotely mounted heavy duty switch, and the trigger power that goes to it just draws a small amount of current through the headlight switch to run an electromagnet that mechanically closes the contacts inside the relay which in turn hooks battery power strait to HID ballast power terminal. This insures that you wont ever overdrive the ratings of your vehicle's harness.
During normal HID operation, you use only 42 watts (35W to run the bulb plus 7W in heat losses in ballast) instead of the 55 watts that the halogen bulb uses, which is less, but, during HID cold startup, and for the first several seconds during warmup, the HID system can draw up to triple the normal operating power to run the ignitor circuit during that time. As the bulb warms up, the current draw tapers down to the normal running level. By powering the ballast through a relay straight from the battery to HID ballast, the heavy load is removed from stock headlight curcuit. Triggering the relay only requires 0.1 amps, so stock headlamp curcuit has no problem powering that. A relay is just a remotely mounted heavy duty switch, and the trigger power that goes to it just draws a small amount of current through the headlight switch to run an electromagnet that mechanically closes the contacts inside the relay which in turn hooks battery power strait to HID ballast power terminal. This insures that you wont ever overdrive the ratings of your vehicle's harness.
03-08-2006, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by bi30
MetaOrbit, that's a good link, i learnt a thing or two.
Doesn't our car have a relay already for the headlights?
Doesn't our car have a relay already for the headlights?
03-08-2006, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bi30
do you have dyi on how you did yours, or any pics.
i just bought the hid kit and i was going to hook it up today, but now i'm reading about the relays setup.
i just bought the hid kit and i was going to hook it up today, but now i'm reading about the relays setup.
I have OEM HID...
03-08-2006, 02:26 PM
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Now if relays are needed more than likely that would already be built into the wiring of the car since the I30t has HID i dont think they would make a seperate circuit just for the I30 and I30t or maybe they are built into the headlights
03-08-2006, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by naijai
Now if relays are needed more than likely that would already be built into the wiring of the car since the I30t had HID i dont think they would make a seperate circuit just for the I30 and I30t or maybe they are built into the headlights
Were it me, I'd rather not take the risk.
And as for the headlight circuits being different...you never know. Manufacturers have been known to do dumber things when it would seem to make more sense to make them all one way..
03-08-2006, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MetaOrbit
A good assumption, but it's never been proven or unproven.
Were it me, I'd rather not take the risk.
And as for the headlight circuits being different...you never know. Manufacturers have been known to do dumber things when it would seem to make more sense to make them all one way..
Were it me, I'd rather not take the risk.
And as for the headlight circuits being different...you never know. Manufacturers have been known to do dumber things when it would seem to make more sense to make them all one way..
WIth Nissan's cost cutting but i know "prevention is better than cure" its the same way with a car without fogs the harness is already there all you need to do is buy the kit
So how would the relay be connected especially since there are 2 Headlights will 2 relays need to be run or would 1 really be sufficent (seems i will need to upgrade to my optima battery saturday)
03-08-2006, 04:38 PM
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^^ Good question, I'm going to do one for each headlight, since I have two relays on hand. I can't think of any reason one wouldn't work though.
Anyone know what size fuse is needed for the ballasts?
Anyone know what size fuse is needed for the ballasts?
03-08-2006, 04:57 PM
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I would use two relays.
For an example, an auxillary wiring harness can help with wiring up ballasts:
http://www.myi35.info/harness.jpg
Pictured is a 9005/9006 auxillary wiring harness that I dug out of my closet literally minutes ago. I bought it YEARS ago, back before hardly anyone knew what HID was much less a retrofit. It has two relays, weatherproofed wiring, sockets to accept the stock 9005 and 9006 plugs (to activate the relays) and then the additional pairs of 9005 and 9006 plugs for each headlight (drawing power directly from the battery).
Now. I'm not sure what ballasts you guys are using, but back in the day, the Phillips LVQ-212 ballasts had 9006 connector-style power sockets on them. Meaning? You could use this harness as plug and play to run power (with relays) directly from the battery to the ballasts. Theoretically you could do the same with any ballast (would just need to cut off the 9006 plugs on the harness above that get power directly from the battery and then wire those to the power leads on the ballasts).
LOL, hope that made some measure of sense. Anyways, I never ended up using it as I got a new car before I ended up doing my retro. But it's an easy and safe(r) solution.
For that matter (shameless plug), if any of you want it I'll sell it off for $20 shipped. I think I paid that for it years upon years ago and it's been sitting in the closet ever since.
For an example, an auxillary wiring harness can help with wiring up ballasts:
http://www.myi35.info/harness.jpg
Pictured is a 9005/9006 auxillary wiring harness that I dug out of my closet literally minutes ago. I bought it YEARS ago, back before hardly anyone knew what HID was much less a retrofit. It has two relays, weatherproofed wiring, sockets to accept the stock 9005 and 9006 plugs (to activate the relays) and then the additional pairs of 9005 and 9006 plugs for each headlight (drawing power directly from the battery).
Now. I'm not sure what ballasts you guys are using, but back in the day, the Phillips LVQ-212 ballasts had 9006 connector-style power sockets on them. Meaning? You could use this harness as plug and play to run power (with relays) directly from the battery to the ballasts. Theoretically you could do the same with any ballast (would just need to cut off the 9006 plugs on the harness above that get power directly from the battery and then wire those to the power leads on the ballasts).
LOL, hope that made some measure of sense. Anyways, I never ended up using it as I got a new car before I ended up doing my retro. But it's an easy and safe(r) solution.
For that matter (shameless plug), if any of you want it I'll sell it off for $20 shipped. I think I paid that for it years upon years ago and it's been sitting in the closet ever since.
03-20-2006, 03:00 PM
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flipinstyxs - I found this if you are interested...
http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/pts/143640261.html
http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/pts/143640261.html
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