In these times I was surprised that the thread was closed.
So, before closing a thread or making comments, do a little research.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=200227

Vegetable oils can be made to perform as well as synths and almost always perform better than dino/mineral oils. I've used soy based oils in small 2stroke engines with excellent results. I've been waiting for a local supply for vegetable motor oil for my car. With troops sacrificing their lives for our oil/gas/energy, I would think that ANY alternative to "well oil" would be worthwhile to investigate.

Lubegard, amg2000, and renewablelube have vegetable/seed based oils.

Biodiesel is also a seriously effective FI/Topend/Engine/AT cleaner when mixed in small %'s in the fluids as a flush. Some FI cleaners with "fatty esters" are biodiesels. Some questionable snake oils also have seed/vegetable/fruit based oils and actually work.

If anyone wants to prove that vegetable oil is ineffective, buy some and analyse it. You will be surprised.

Start here:
http://www.renewablelube.com
http://www.greatplainsoil.com/amg2000.htm
http://www.lubegard.com/about.html
http://www.agromgt.com/
http://www.unitedsoybean.org/feedstocks_pdf/fs9807.pdf
http://www.montanagreenpower.com/har...y/johnson.html
http://www.unitedsoybean.org/what_nu_industrial.cfm
http://www.unitedsoybean.org/what_nu_consumer.cfm

 

That's why I use synthetics and change the oil at 10k intervals(if the analysis allows)

 

wrong or right.. its never a good idea to repost information contained in locked threads.. best thing to do is pm the moderator with your information and request the thread be re-opened

 

The same doubters didn't believe that duck fat, fish oil, or red wine could add years to ones life!

Anybody that wants to enhance their crankcase with vegetable oil, more power to you. Maybe the car appreciates the monounsaturated fats the way your body does. And who knows, you may even lower your car's cholesterol!

 

Frank, Ignorance is bliss! It was the same with using synths. It will be the same with vegetable/seed/fruit oils. Only time will tell.

Sprintmax, you're right. Too late now. I'll regret it later, but I am making a point.

Jeff92se--I use and support synthetic oil. But, all the basestocks come from the big chemical and oil companies. I am tired of supporting them. They get enough from me at the gas pump.

I also completely forgot about the most popular one--Castor oil(benol/klotz). Castor oil is an excellent lube that has been used for years. Too bad noone ever thinks that it is a plant seed oil.
Anyone wonder where the name "Castrol" comes from?

http://www.plasma.kth.se/~olsson/castor.html
http://www.sterifab.com/Lubricants/trizol2.html
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archiv...2/oils0402.htm
http://www.linnaeus.net/press_release.htm

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/p...99/v4-247.html
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/v5-029.html

 

i remember watching something on tv about these guys who drove a van across the u.s. entirely on vegetable oil. pretty neat...

 

They used it as fuel not a lubrication. Desiel type thing

 

i saw that too

 

ahh yes, my mistake.

 

Biodiesel (which is processed from vegetable oil) is used in diesel cars (such as the VW TDI cars) with great results.

With a blend of 20% biodiesel and 80% regular diesel, your emissions ARE drastically reduced while still maintaining the same performance and sometimes better fuel economy.

The only downside is that if you live in cold climates, biodiesel gels really quick so its not to good to use in low low temps.

Check out www.veggievan.com to see how to make your own biodiesel at home.

 

I could never understand why diesel fuel is so expensive given it needs less refining than unleaded gasoline. Supply and demand. I understand it even less why diesel vehicles get a pass at the emissions testing station when they pollute way more.

For the average joe, he has a baby, a mortgage, a girlfriend, a wife, and a job he has to go to everyday. He can't be spending $5/gallon for fuel and $8/quart for motor oil just to be different and try the latest thing he saw on the web. It's not cool anymore once you reach 25. Let's be serious, for the average joe, price does matter. Maybe check with Mickey D's, they reformulated their cooking oil, they may be able to help.

 

More misinformed BS.
Where does Biodiesel cost $5 a gallon? I've seen it for $2-$4 and can make it for less than $1 a gallon. Blends are even cheaper only adding $.10 to $.50 a gallon depending on ratio.
Where did you get $8 for a quart of oil?
Whats with the infatuation with food?

Pollute more
http://www.tdiclub.com/TDIFAQ/TDiFAQ-5.html
http://www.stealthtdi.com/Emissions.html

Diesel emissions have been reduced over the years. Diesel demand in local gas stations is low. Simple economics is why cost is higher even though the fuel is cheaper to produce. It takes a long time for some gas stations to sell a tanker of diesel vs. weekly tanker deliveries of gas.
Using biodiesel or blends can reduce emissions greatly. Cleaner diesel fuel also will reduce emissions as it gets phased in. Improved catalysts and precatalysts will move emissions to levels as good as any current engine. Toss in a little propane and power/MPG/emissions are better than current gasoline engines.
Automakers have spent millions on gasoline engine developement for cleaner emissions. They haven't spent much money(if any) on R&D for diesels. When they do, emissions will be just like current gas engines and possibly better.

Cold weather pure biosdiesel use is an issue. Blends cure that. And, sooner or later(when demand exists) someone will create a biosdiesel antigel since normal diesel antigels do not work with bio.

 

I'll have to disagree with you there. My father works for the largest Diesel engine company in the US in the fuel injection area and they are constantly pouring money into R/D yearly to meet the rigid government regulations on diesel emmissions every year to avoid millions of dollars in fines. As a matter of a fact, the government is putting so much emphasis on reducing Diesel emissions that come 10 years down the road, they may surpass gasoline engines in repsect to emissions....which shows just how much they are throwing into R/D.

 

I did a lot of 2 stroke racing in the 70's and 80's both bikes (flat track) and snowmobiles. We used Castro R or Blenzall both are castor based and the best lubricant as far as I know to man.

It was first used in aircraft in the second world war and was a total loss system, not recirculated.

Its a great lubricant, the only problem is the residue it leaves, engines had to be taken apart and cleaned every couple of races. The best part is the smell is really sweet and a very nice odor.

 

anyone wonder how his RX7 died? wrong oil?

on a serious note...how often do you change the oil? 3 months or so i assume. ok how much is changed? 4ish-5 qts..let's just say it's a even gallon ever 3 months.

now...
how often do you go get gas? how much gas do you burn? i think it would be better to concentrate more on flex fuels, hydro electric cars than figuring out what kind of motor oil works in a gas driven car.

yes i know oil and gas is different and it's made differently, but it all came from the ground.

final note...use what YOU want in your car. use lard if you feel the need to but don't come here and preach to us what oil to use and etc. fact of the matter dino oil is currently economical. under 2 bucks for a qt of oil which the car makers recommends you to use. until the prices go up amazingly high people will not change.
not sure if nissan will warranty your 6th gen VQ engine because you ran w/ veggie oil.

IMO unless Mobil, Castrol, valvoline, havoline, etc etc start mixing and selling veggie oil it's not going to fly.

 

Make sure you disagree with something I said.
So what vehicles this this largest diesel engine company make? Where can I buy one? AUTOMAKERS! VW TDI is the only available here now.
Government? They have their heads up their a$$. Why reduce diesel emissions when only one car sold here is powered by diesel?
I know that buses, trucks..... are being improved. But, a commercial truck isn't being used as my daily transportation.

 

No, my vert is dead as a performance car. Too heavy and flexible. Not in the mood for a turbo 3.8 buick swap, yet. Didn't bother beating a dead horse. It serves its purpose as a summer fun vehicle.

You cried about the average man concerning $8 oil and $5 fuel. But, then you blabbler about unknown technology with unknown costs. Hybrids(great choice of hybrids ) are being sold at a loss. What makes you think that they can produce other alternative vehicles that the common man can afford that will make the automaker a profit?

Yep, use whatever oil you want. Just letting people know that their are CHOICES. Free country, don't forget. And, noone is using lard. Please stop making stupid pessimistic comments without showing any proof.

Where does crude oil come from? fossil fuels? Not animals. Comes from millions of years of decomposing plants, trees, algae..... Why wait millions of years when we can grow various plants/seeds that can give us young oil! So guess what? Everyones' crude oil based ATF and motor oil is plant/algae based from millions of years ago! So, unless you are using a chemically derived synth, you're already using vegetable oil.

You're right. If big brother doesn't push it through the big oil companies, we might just be better off making Iraq the 51st state.

http://www.energyquest.ca.gov/story/chapter08.html
http://www.chevron.com/learning_center/crude/

 

You said

I misunderstood you i guess. I thought you meant Diesel manufacturers don't spend anything on R/D for emission controls. However, the goevernment does not have their heads up their a$$es when it comes to emissions. A few years ago, diesel engine manufactureres lost $100 million total in fines to the government for not meeting emission standards.

As for my father, he works at Catepillar. Emissions regulation is so important that diesel manufacturers like his company are leading in development of alternative fuel engines (natural gas) etc. You see, diesel cars aren't the problem, it's all diesel engines regardless of where they come from.

So, you do have a valid point, but I'm just trying to point out that any diesel engine made today, from an auto manufacturer to a truck manufacturer, are under tight restrictions by the government.

 

Keep the thread clean. Any stupid remarks get deleted.(ie,, the one I've deleted already)

Also Dead, consider saving this info as it might disappear once the new servers go online.

 

Preaching? Just giving a choice. Trying to post as much factual info so that those who make fun of, or who comment negatively with no proof, can learn something.
Thread title said "any takers". I am not taking any forums members hostage. I am not forcing anyone to use it. I am trying to give some risk takers a choice. Like with synthetics(still not recommended by some), there are alternatives to imported oil that the majority do not even know about.

Some comments in this thread sounds like CNN. Too much speculation and wordy misinterpretation.

Str8riding--- I'll stay out of the truck diesel info. Pity that truck engine mfg's didn't spend that $100 million fine on new diesel technology to avoid the fine.

Jime---Castor has been blended to burn cleaner now but it is still a varnishy/gummy/sludgey oil. Some people use supermarket/drugstore castor oil and wonder why it burns horribly. Newer blends are cleaner than 100% castor.

I've used synthetics for 15 years and was badgered then. All the hearsay and BS concerning synths have been proven wrong and it is the best choice currently.
But, since there is a small vegetable motor oil movement, I am more than ready to switch to something grown in the US and can deal with the heckling. Availability and cost are the only concerns.
And both can be dealt with over time with economics.

$2 a quart? Cheaper than synth with equal performance!
http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/l...nd_Sustain.htm
http://www.wired.com/news/technology...,20316,00.html

Vegetable synths more thermally stable than PAO:
http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/newsletter_1000.htm

 

It's being used daily to bring the items you purchase daily to the point where you purchase them. When you need only 280 hp and 1100 ft-lbs. of torque, yah, turbodiesel is the motor of choice. Especially when time is money, you want the tractor on the road, 24/7, 365.

But let's be a little more objective when it comes to automobiles, which are used for business and pleasure. How boring life would be if somebody told us to buy a VW Jetta (that's a whole nother story in itself) because they said so, and try some Wesson in the crankcase. We work too hard to not make up our own minds and purchase what we think is best for our situations. Actually, I'm not really understanding why if the post were locked, it's just copied and pasted and started all over again. But I don't mind stoking the fire!

 

i didn't just read this post.... call me old fashioned but in 15 years when all the myths about vegetable lubrication have been cleared then perhaps i will trust it and floor it with corn in my block. till then i'll stick to what looks and smells like what you should put in a car.

Jeff92se edit. Fix you sig so it's not 10x longer than your post.

 

I second that, there is no way I'm driving a car running on vegetables. Even though I support deadrx7.

 

Yes, the veggie oil works pretty well in diesels...almost too well, according to the UK gov't.
In one small town, people begain using the oil to power their diesel cars. This allowed them to avoid paying the near 300% gov't tax on fuel at the pump. The authorities weren't too happy, and commissioned a special police unit to stop cars with emissions that smelled like grease. Violators were fined 500 Pounds, IIRC.

 

i run extra virgin olive oil in my fiat and i just finnished a bottle of wine.

"chiesti sono cosi che succhedoni ai vivi no ai morti"

 

I still prefer Amsoil in my cereal.

 

are you getting this from that email circulating now?

it's wrong

http://www.boycott-middle-east-oil.c..._about_oil.php

and

http://www.boycott-middle-east-oil.c...2003_large.gif

 

Just want to clear things up. There are two different topics here, one is plant based lubricants and the other is plant based fuels.
Biodiesel is a viable clean fuel if enough can be produced. Vegetarian motor oil is still in the infant stage but is already being used by some governtment agencies with good results.

One concern that I have is that one bioOil company is labelling it as 100% enviro. I'd prefer something ~50-80% with the proper TBN, antiwear, and VI additives(or chem synth blend), for better performance. This would go a long way in finding converts. They claim that they can synthesize the vegan oil not to need them! Due to the pseudo synthetic fiasco, I don't fully easily trust anything labelled full, pure, real, all, or 100%.

Diesels have come a long way since the last time that a Maxima had a diesel.
There are BMW's with 3.0 turbo diesels that hit 150mph, do a run to 60mph in <7.5 seconds, and can deliver ~35mpg when not being raced. Thats as fast as some VG Maximas but acceleration is slower then the newer VQ's with Sentra like fuel economy. To bad that VW doesn't give the JettaTDI the Euro engines. But when I drove the US TDI Jetta, it had plenty of power(another 30hp would be nice). Torque is unbelievable in the twisties where the boring 0-60 times are less important. The 2.5TDI in a Jetta with 180hp would be perfect.

http://www.james.marchant.com/bmwnews2002.htm
http://bt.newcarnet.co.uk/mag_latest_rtest.html?id=341

Only 14%(from api.org) of recycled motor oil is rerefined into motor oil. I guess that it isn't as good as most people think. Most used motor oil is used as fuel for powerplants etc. Used motor oil being used to produced electricity, heat.... is acceptable recycling by me.

Again, I will state that most mineral oils are plant based. That cheap fossil motor mineral oil is decomposed plants and forests from 300 million years ago. It aint no better than grabbing the oil straight from the plants being grown today. I provided enough links for your reading and research.

I guess that there will always be proactive, reactive, and inactive people.

Imported oil is imported oil. Doesn't make a difference if it comes from the Middleeast, S.America or Africa(especially considering recent strikes in Venezuela and Nigeria). The last time I look at the financial statements of phillips/conoco(not sure about all the subsidiaries, partners, etc), it said that they were importing ~200k barrels a day. Please, provide the company link showing the 0 drops of oil imported(by them and partners) from the MiddleEast or anywhere else.

Also glad to see that people have a sense of humour. Stoke away!