Quality Aftermarket HID Petition - Please sign if you care to keep HID's available
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Quality Aftermarket HID Petition - Please sign if you care to keep HID's available
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As much as I would love to put HID's on my max, and how much better they would light up the road . . . the current housing is not meant for HID headlights, and although it may look good from your driver's seat, it is annoying to other drivers on the road - whenever I see a non-factory HID equiped car, It is so obnoxiously bright, looks as if they have their highbeams on. Anyone else agree?
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Re: Quality Aftermarket HID Petition - Please sign if you care to keep HID's available
Originally posted by deezo
http://www.petitiononline.com/hidforum/petition.html
http://www.petitiononline.com/hidforum/petition.html
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How do we define quality here? Just because some kid with too much of his parents money in his wallet lays out $800 for a kit...doesn't make that kit "quality".
And Frank, if you've ever driven in the severe fog, rain or snow, you'd learn to appreciate those cars equipped with rear foglamps (those would be the only cars you can see before you are 2 meters away from their bumper). There's a reason why the SAE mandates their usage. You may ask, "How often do I drive in the fog?". Well, I'm sure you've heard of Murphy's Law...and remember: "Chance favors the prepared mind". Also, BMWs and Vws are equipped with rear foglamp systems, they are simply "unwired" in the models sold here.
And Frank, if you've ever driven in the severe fog, rain or snow, you'd learn to appreciate those cars equipped with rear foglamps (those would be the only cars you can see before you are 2 meters away from their bumper). There's a reason why the SAE mandates their usage. You may ask, "How often do I drive in the fog?". Well, I'm sure you've heard of Murphy's Law...and remember: "Chance favors the prepared mind". Also, BMWs and Vws are equipped with rear foglamp systems, they are simply "unwired" in the models sold here.
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Originally posted by Albertt
How do we define quality here? Just because some kid with too much of his parents money in his wallet lays out $800 for a kit...doesn't make that kit "quality".
And Frank, if you've ever driven in the severe fog, rain or snow, you'd learn to appreciate those cars equipped with rear foglamps (those would be the only cars you can see before you are 2 meters away from their bumper). There's a reason why the SAE mandates their usage. You may ask, "How often do I drive in the fog?". Well, I'm sure you've heard of Murphy's Law...and remember: "Chance favors the prepared mind". Also, BMWs and Vws are equipped with rear foglamp systems, they are simply "unwired" in the models sold here.
How do we define quality here? Just because some kid with too much of his parents money in his wallet lays out $800 for a kit...doesn't make that kit "quality".
And Frank, if you've ever driven in the severe fog, rain or snow, you'd learn to appreciate those cars equipped with rear foglamps (those would be the only cars you can see before you are 2 meters away from their bumper). There's a reason why the SAE mandates their usage. You may ask, "How often do I drive in the fog?". Well, I'm sure you've heard of Murphy's Law...and remember: "Chance favors the prepared mind". Also, BMWs and Vws are equipped with rear foglamp systems, they are simply "unwired" in the models sold here.
I gotta run to a meeting now but do a search online.
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Originally posted by deezo
Look at the Catz HID system and you'll know what I mean by quality.
I gotta run to a meeting now but do a search online.
Look at the Catz HID system and you'll know what I mean by quality.
I gotta run to a meeting now but do a search online.
Also, what about beam leveling and lens washing. As some of you may know, in Europe, any car equipped with HIDs must have autoleveling and lens washers.
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Misaligned HID's are a problem. Banning the complete sale of them will not solve it. Those who want them aftermarket bad enough will find them, and most likely install them incorrectly themselves, since no shop will be willing to help. By allowing the sale, quality will remain higher, and in theory installs will be cleaner, and aligned correctly.
Misaligned HID's are a problem. Banning the complete sale of them will not solve it. Those who want them aftermarket bad enough will find them, and most likely install them incorrectly themselves, since no shop will be willing to help. By allowing the sale, quality will remain higher, and in theory installs will be cleaner, and aligned correctly.
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Originally posted by Albertt
Ok, the parts look to be of quality. But the only picture that shows the output on the road lacks detail. Is there a sharp beam cutoff? Anyone have some pictures of the beam pattern shown on a wall?
Also, what about beam leveling and lens washing. As some of you may know, in Europe, any car equipped with HIDs must have autoleveling and lens washers.
Ok, the parts look to be of quality. But the only picture that shows the output on the road lacks detail. Is there a sharp beam cutoff? Anyone have some pictures of the beam pattern shown on a wall?
Also, what about beam leveling and lens washing. As some of you may know, in Europe, any car equipped with HIDs must have autoleveling and lens washers.
These people are serious about HID's and they even have a forum.
Here's a pic of the cutoff,
Plus there are many other pics to show how the Catz system looks on the road.
http://www.liteswap.com/Merchant2/me...ory_Code=photo
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Went to the site...I'm happy that it provides for a high beam. From this picture
it looks as though the design of the 9004 replacement is of good quality.
None of the other photos specify the bulb type. The pattern in this picture is not of a 9004 replacement. If you look closely, notice the small square extentions on the top of the cutoff...this beam pattern was produced by a projector lamp, ruling it out as a 9004.
Deezo, I'm not trying to give you or any of the other guys a hard time here. I'm playing devil's advocate a bit. I'm just not a big fan of mods that are not well designed. Why do you think my car is near stock?
it looks as though the design of the 9004 replacement is of good quality.
None of the other photos specify the bulb type. The pattern in this picture is not of a 9004 replacement. If you look closely, notice the small square extentions on the top of the cutoff...this beam pattern was produced by a projector lamp, ruling it out as a 9004.
Deezo, I'm not trying to give you or any of the other guys a hard time here. I'm playing devil's advocate a bit. I'm just not a big fan of mods that are not well designed. Why do you think my car is near stock?
Originally posted by Albertt
Went to the site...I'm happy that it provides for a high beam. From this picture
it looks as though the design of the 9004 replacement is of good quality.
None of the other photos specify the bulb type. The pattern in this picture is not of a 9004 replacement. If you look closely, notice the small square extentions on the top of the cutoff...this beam pattern was produced by a projector lamp, ruling it out as a 9004.
Went to the site...I'm happy that it provides for a high beam. From this picture
it looks as though the design of the 9004 replacement is of good quality.
None of the other photos specify the bulb type. The pattern in this picture is not of a 9004 replacement. If you look closely, notice the small square extentions on the top of the cutoff...this beam pattern was produced by a projector lamp, ruling it out as a 9004.
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Originally posted by DanNY
i would say it might be a 9006 set up.
i would say it might be a 9006 set up.
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Originally posted by DanNY
i would say it might be a 9006 set up.
i would say it might be a 9006 set up.
Albertt: I know how particular you are about HID's. I actually sold my Hanabi kit to get a good Hi/Lo kit. I did purchase this kit because of the quality. I saw this kit up close being that my coworker bought this kit last month on a Sentra board. It is top notch.
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Originally posted by Stillnmax
i say start with the honda's that have the japanese conversions first... RHD light beams are bad... i doubt this banning of hid's will ever take place.
i say start with the honda's that have the japanese conversions first... RHD light beams are bad... i doubt this banning of hid's will ever take place.
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Originally posted by Albertt
How do we define quality here? Just because some kid with too much of his parents money in his wallet lays out $800 for a kit...doesn't make that kit "quality".
And Frank, if you've ever driven in the severe fog, rain or snow, you'd learn to appreciate those cars equipped with rear foglamps (those would be the only cars you can see before you are 2 meters away from their bumper). There's a reason why the SAE mandates their usage. You may ask, "How often do I drive in the fog?". Well, I'm sure you've heard of Murphy's Law...and remember: "Chance favors the prepared mind". Also, BMWs and Vws are equipped with rear foglamp systems, they are simply "unwired" in the models sold here.
How do we define quality here? Just because some kid with too much of his parents money in his wallet lays out $800 for a kit...doesn't make that kit "quality".
And Frank, if you've ever driven in the severe fog, rain or snow, you'd learn to appreciate those cars equipped with rear foglamps (those would be the only cars you can see before you are 2 meters away from their bumper). There's a reason why the SAE mandates their usage. You may ask, "How often do I drive in the fog?". Well, I'm sure you've heard of Murphy's Law...and remember: "Chance favors the prepared mind". Also, BMWs and Vws are equipped with rear foglamp systems, they are simply "unwired" in the models sold here.
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Originally posted by Frank Fontaine
What do you mean "learn to appreciate?" Let's not be elitist, let's be honest. Fog lamps on most vehicles in the US are decorations (the extreme would be Sunfire, Grand Am, etc.). If I decided to wire my Maxima so that the left tail lamp looked like I was braking, installed higher wattage bulbs, and drove around all the time with the rear left lit up redder than a brake lamp, people would be annoyed. Just because it's an Audi, MB, Jaguar, Rover, doesn't make it ok. Like I said, these silly things are not on BMW's, because they do not put unnecessary things on their USA cars (like a dual exhaust with a V6 and only one cat). I know you're just playing devil's advocate so that's cool.
What do you mean "learn to appreciate?" Let's not be elitist, let's be honest. Fog lamps on most vehicles in the US are decorations (the extreme would be Sunfire, Grand Am, etc.). If I decided to wire my Maxima so that the left tail lamp looked like I was braking, installed higher wattage bulbs, and drove around all the time with the rear left lit up redder than a brake lamp, people would be annoyed. Just because it's an Audi, MB, Jaguar, Rover, doesn't make it ok. Like I said, these silly things are not on BMW's, because they do not put unnecessary things on their USA cars (like a dual exhaust with a V6 and only one cat). I know you're just playing devil's advocate so that's cool.
