Any thoughts on the Greddy emanage ultimate ?
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Any thoughts on the Greddy emanage ultimate ?
I noticed it while looking on http://www.mohdparts.com/emanage/.
being able to plot RPM x PSI(rather than just TP%) now in the AFA map is a definite plus IMO, very nice...the extra options aren't bad either and some of the new mapping options. DIP switched separate maps is nice too! and looks like an addition of an ignition based rev-limiter/cut too... 
Can't wait to see who installs one first to see what features we can use.
Awesome new features that interest me are:
Map trace
MAF-->MAP or smaller to larger MAF upgrade
Directly driven injector map w/o MAF conditioning plus or minus
Acceleration Fuel/Timing maps for closed loop boosting
Individual cylinder injection/ignition maps
Rev limit cut for fuel cut type ECUs
AFR Target Map with WB02 input
Advanced Timing ability, since controls crank/cam angle signal
NVCS control for CVVTC????
If this thing does HALF of what it promises, I've got to have it.
Awesome new features that interest me are:
Map trace
MAF-->MAP or smaller to larger MAF upgrade
Directly driven injector map w/o MAF conditioning plus or minus
Acceleration Fuel/Timing maps for closed loop boosting
Individual cylinder injection/ignition maps
Rev limit cut for fuel cut type ECUs
AFR Target Map with WB02 input
Advanced Timing ability, since controls crank/cam angle signal
NVCS control for CVVTC????
If this thing does HALF of what it promises, I've got to have it.
"Airflow Output Map - Previously labeled “Airflow Adjustment Map” is now “Airflow Output Map”. This can now used to eliminate the factory airflow meter.
The improved “Injection Adjustment Map” is used to trim and add fuel directly by controlling the injector signal, therefore it will not affect the ignition timing at all."
you can also setup maps to correct for intake air temp, coolant temp (to make cold start and warmup better.) Also, wideband input with AF target table, rev limiter cut (to up limiter), user set output (shift light), and analag output map (nitrous on/off controlled by 16x16 map!)
looks to be a GREAT unit if all works as promised!
The improved “Injection Adjustment Map” is used to trim and add fuel directly by controlling the injector signal, therefore it will not affect the ignition timing at all."
you can also setup maps to correct for intake air temp, coolant temp (to make cold start and warmup better.) Also, wideband input with AF target table, rev limiter cut (to up limiter), user set output (shift light), and analag output map (nitrous on/off controlled by 16x16 map!)
looks to be a GREAT unit if all works as promised!
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
The site's info has been updated...
New Applications listed:
VQ35DE
VQ30DET
VQ25DE
VQ20DE
New Applications listed:
VQ35DE
VQ30DET
VQ25DE
VQ20DE
Now I hate to say, this thing is better than the SMT since it can have its own revlimiter.
I don't know yet...sounds too good to be true so I'm still skeptical until Sharrif@my350Z tests it very soon.
All the other features still make it worthwhile IMHO, but if it can up the revlimiter...it will be a blessing to those without JWT/TS options.
All the other features still make it worthwhile IMHO, but if it can up the revlimiter...it will be a blessing to those without JWT/TS options.
not a bad price considering the massive amount of improvements. but if I were any of you on here, I wouldn't touch ANY of the first run units with a 1000ft pole....let the brave test monkeys do their thing 
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
1)Main unit $535
2)(3)harness(14/18/12 pin) kit $89
Optional:
3)Pressure sensor/harness unless getting Profec e01
4)WB02 input harness
2)(3)harness(14/18/12 pin) kit $89
Optional:
3)Pressure sensor/harness unless getting Profec e01
4)WB02 input harness
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This unit looks very promising, I've been watching it on my350z. If you can change our revlimiter that would be great, I guess we will have to see once sharrif at my350z tries it out. But if every thing works out the why it says I most likely might have to switch over to this bad boy.
Looks like Greddy hasn't figured out the crank/cam signal issue yet. Larger injector control seems to be better, which is good news.
Latest on a 350Z install:
Latest on a 350Z install:
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
LOL...sorry for the delay guys.
To solve the rough idle, I upgraded firmware to version 1.05 (which I will send to anyone that wants it), and I also corrected one improper dip switch setting. When you get your units. You will see there are 6 dip switches for the injectors, plus one "extra" switch that also needs to be set to the "open"position. After doing that, the car runs perfectly. I even noticed that the car idles better than the blue eManage, probably due the injectors being scaled via IPW reduction, rather than MAF conditioning.
Ok, now for the review. Couple of points to keep in mind.
Many of the features have been tested by me, but others have not. In collaboration with Greddy USA, here is a review of the EU Features, and their current functionality on the VQ35. Kenji has an EU installed on their Blue Greddy 350Z, and I've had extensive conversations with him, to help confirm some of the functions, that I was not able to test....either due to time or physical constraints. ie....I cant test the speed limiter disable function.
Background notes:
THe EU has been tested by Greddy Japan, Greddy USA, and myself, and at last we can confirm that diodes are not needed on the ignition harness output wires. They have used completely new ignition and injector drivers, and this has solved the problem of the blown coils.
Wiring up the EU is relateveily straightforward. There are still a few wires I havent connected becuase for the life of me, I couldnt find the pin locations for water temp, and a few other things. Easiest way to wire it up, by far, is to use the AutoSport patch harness, and have the Greddy TT instruction manual in hand, referencing the pages that speak to the old eManage blue wiring. Some of the main wiring is identical, and the ECU pin locations will make it easy to wire up the Emanage Ultimate. Pay close attention to the order/pin location of Injector 1-6 which corrospond to Channel 1-6 on the EU. Same thing applies to the ingnition wires, as channel order is now critical for the EU to work properly, and allow for individual cylinder adjustments of fuel and timing. I used the EU Complete Harness for this application, as I wanted to completely remove the old eManage wiring mess that was left by a previous installer. If you have the eManage blue wired to your satisfaction, you can just get the Supplemental Harness. But you will need to verify that your emanage blue timing harness is properly matched by channel...ie...Channel 1 ignition needs to be matched to Ignition Coil Wire #1.
So here we go:
Airflow Adjustment map..ie..MAF corrections: YES
Boost Limter Cut (MAF voltage clamp) YES
Anti Engine Stalling setting: YES
Ignition Timing retard: YES
Ignition Timing Retard by Individual Cyclinder: YES
Fuel Enrichment and decrease via Injector adjustment: YES
Fuel enrichment and decrease by individual cylinder: YES
Ignition Timing advance: Not yet...Greddy Japan is working on a fix, becuase the EU is having trouble picking up up the crank and cam angle signals from the ECU. This will be resolved very shortly, according to Greddy.
A/F Target mapping/tuning: YES. Right now, the A/F harness is not avail, so you can purchase another pressure sensor harness, and wire up the A/F input to that cable instead. There are two ports on the eManage. One of which I would suggest using for the pressure sensor input, and the second port can be used for the A/F input. The ports are assignable in the software, so you can set them up however you wish.
Vehicle Speed Inputs and corrections: YES...with this feature, you can correct your mapping by speed input as well.
Water Temp Adjustment map: YES....mapping can be adjusted or corrected for coolant temp...nice touch.
Intake Temp Adjustment Map: Maybe....if someone can find a way to pull the temp out of the MAF signal, or maybe there is some other wire to tap?? This one stumped me, but with an intake temp input, this function will work just fine.
Idle Adjustment Setting: I THINK this will work. It has some adjustments for throttle position correction....havent fully tested it, but look promising:
Vehicle Speed adjustment map: YES...in this area, you can correct speed signal input/output to calibrate your speedo for larger wheels and tires. Can also be used to eliminate speed cut. Can someone tell me what pin location the speed sensor signal is located at??
OK, thats the highlights. Any questions.
The one thing still pending is the darn crank angle signal. As mentioned, as soon as we get the EU to recognize RPM via this signal, then real time timing can be displayed, and actual timing can be set. Sounds like a fix is very close. Currently, the EU is picking up the RPM signal off the ignition wires, without the use of an RPM adaptor...thank God for that!
To solve the rough idle, I upgraded firmware to version 1.05 (which I will send to anyone that wants it), and I also corrected one improper dip switch setting. When you get your units. You will see there are 6 dip switches for the injectors, plus one "extra" switch that also needs to be set to the "open"position. After doing that, the car runs perfectly. I even noticed that the car idles better than the blue eManage, probably due the injectors being scaled via IPW reduction, rather than MAF conditioning.
Ok, now for the review. Couple of points to keep in mind.
Many of the features have been tested by me, but others have not. In collaboration with Greddy USA, here is a review of the EU Features, and their current functionality on the VQ35. Kenji has an EU installed on their Blue Greddy 350Z, and I've had extensive conversations with him, to help confirm some of the functions, that I was not able to test....either due to time or physical constraints. ie....I cant test the speed limiter disable function.
Background notes:
THe EU has been tested by Greddy Japan, Greddy USA, and myself, and at last we can confirm that diodes are not needed on the ignition harness output wires. They have used completely new ignition and injector drivers, and this has solved the problem of the blown coils.
Wiring up the EU is relateveily straightforward. There are still a few wires I havent connected becuase for the life of me, I couldnt find the pin locations for water temp, and a few other things. Easiest way to wire it up, by far, is to use the AutoSport patch harness, and have the Greddy TT instruction manual in hand, referencing the pages that speak to the old eManage blue wiring. Some of the main wiring is identical, and the ECU pin locations will make it easy to wire up the Emanage Ultimate. Pay close attention to the order/pin location of Injector 1-6 which corrospond to Channel 1-6 on the EU. Same thing applies to the ingnition wires, as channel order is now critical for the EU to work properly, and allow for individual cylinder adjustments of fuel and timing. I used the EU Complete Harness for this application, as I wanted to completely remove the old eManage wiring mess that was left by a previous installer. If you have the eManage blue wired to your satisfaction, you can just get the Supplemental Harness. But you will need to verify that your emanage blue timing harness is properly matched by channel...ie...Channel 1 ignition needs to be matched to Ignition Coil Wire #1.
So here we go:
Airflow Adjustment map..ie..MAF corrections: YES
Boost Limter Cut (MAF voltage clamp) YES
Anti Engine Stalling setting: YES
Ignition Timing retard: YES
Ignition Timing Retard by Individual Cyclinder: YES
Fuel Enrichment and decrease via Injector adjustment: YES
Fuel enrichment and decrease by individual cylinder: YES
Ignition Timing advance: Not yet...Greddy Japan is working on a fix, becuase the EU is having trouble picking up up the crank and cam angle signals from the ECU. This will be resolved very shortly, according to Greddy.
A/F Target mapping/tuning: YES. Right now, the A/F harness is not avail, so you can purchase another pressure sensor harness, and wire up the A/F input to that cable instead. There are two ports on the eManage. One of which I would suggest using for the pressure sensor input, and the second port can be used for the A/F input. The ports are assignable in the software, so you can set them up however you wish.
Vehicle Speed Inputs and corrections: YES...with this feature, you can correct your mapping by speed input as well.
Water Temp Adjustment map: YES....mapping can be adjusted or corrected for coolant temp...nice touch.
Intake Temp Adjustment Map: Maybe....if someone can find a way to pull the temp out of the MAF signal, or maybe there is some other wire to tap?? This one stumped me, but with an intake temp input, this function will work just fine.
Idle Adjustment Setting: I THINK this will work. It has some adjustments for throttle position correction....havent fully tested it, but look promising:
Vehicle Speed adjustment map: YES...in this area, you can correct speed signal input/output to calibrate your speedo for larger wheels and tires. Can also be used to eliminate speed cut. Can someone tell me what pin location the speed sensor signal is located at??
OK, thats the highlights. Any questions.
The one thing still pending is the darn crank angle signal. As mentioned, as soon as we get the EU to recognize RPM via this signal, then real time timing can be displayed, and actual timing can be set. Sounds like a fix is very close. Currently, the EU is picking up the RPM signal off the ignition wires, without the use of an RPM adaptor...thank God for that!
The next time I see Sharif I'l ask him about this thing in detail.
Two things concerning that post:
1. There isn't a pinout for water temp. The Gauges in that car are all connected to the CAN BUS.
2. The intake temp IS part of the MAF assembly, so yes it would be read from there, not derived from the mass flow.
Two things concerning that post:
1. There isn't a pinout for water temp. The Gauges in that car are all connected to the CAN BUS.
2. The intake temp IS part of the MAF assembly, so yes it would be read from there, not derived from the mass flow.
any updates on this? im willing to be the guinea pig as ive wanted to pick up either emanage or SAFC. only problem is i know nothing about tuning and would need someone local to help me out.
also very interested if the raised rev limiter function works.
also very interested if the raised rev limiter function works.
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The VQ is listed and the ultimate seems veeery interesting!!!!
There is an application listed now for the VQ's!!!! This is big because now, I am using the application from the 240sx for my settings w/my e-manage blue!
All the new capabilities are awesome too, Speed Limiter cut, Rev limiter cut... among other things. I want to switch mine out. The only question I have is... I have all the harnesses from the blue. Do I need to get all new harnesses for the ultimate and I have the profec e-o1 as well. I hope all these things will just translate over... if they do and someone want to buy the blue brain for a great price, I'll be selling mine very soon
Deac
All the new capabilities are awesome too, Speed Limiter cut, Rev limiter cut... among other things. I want to switch mine out. The only question I have is... I have all the harnesses from the blue. Do I need to get all new harnesses for the ultimate and I have the profec e-o1 as well. I hope all these things will just translate over... if they do and someone want to buy the blue brain for a great price, I'll be selling mine very soon
Deac
Originally Posted by Deac
There is an application listed now for the VQ's!!!! This is big because now, I am using the application from the 240sx for my settings w/my e-manage blue!
All the new capabilities are awesome too, Speed Limiter cut, Rev limiter cut... among other things. I want to switch mine out. The only question I have is... I have all the harnesses from the blue. Do I need to get all new harnesses for the ultimate and I have the profec e-o1 as well. I hope all these things will just translate over... if they do and someone want to buy the blue brain for a great price, I'll be selling mine very soon
Deac
All the new capabilities are awesome too, Speed Limiter cut, Rev limiter cut... among other things. I want to switch mine out. The only question I have is... I have all the harnesses from the blue. Do I need to get all new harnesses for the ultimate and I have the profec e-o1 as well. I hope all these things will just translate over... if they do and someone want to buy the blue brain for a great price, I'll be selling mine very soon
Deac
From what i know all you have to do is get the conversion harness. check out sgpracing.com.
this is from that website http://www.mohdparts.com/emanage/index.html
GReddy - E-manage Ultimate Harness Supplement Harness
- E-manage Ultimate Supplement Harness, ONLY $34*
* GReddy Part Number #15901501
* Harness Containing 14-PINS
* This Harness is for existing E-manage Blue Owners that want to upgrade to the e-manage ultimate, if that's that case, you already own 18-PIN & 12-PIN Harness, all you need is this 14-PIN harness to take full advantage of your e-manage ultimate.
GReddy - E-manage Ultimate Harness Supplement Harness
- E-manage Ultimate Supplement Harness, ONLY $34*
* GReddy Part Number #15901501
* Harness Containing 14-PINS
* This Harness is for existing E-manage Blue Owners that want to upgrade to the e-manage ultimate, if that's that case, you already own 18-PIN & 12-PIN Harness, all you need is this 14-PIN harness to take full advantage of your e-manage ultimate.
Originally Posted by mingo
* This Harness is for existing E-manage Blue Owners that want to upgrade to the e-manage ultimate, if that's that case, you already own 18-PIN & 12-PIN Harness, all you need is this 14-PIN harness to take full advantage of your e-manage ultimate.
on the blue it didn't matter.
the eu can make individual cylinder changes.
Originally Posted by Deac
There is an application listed now for the VQ's!!!! This is big because now, I am using the application from the 240sx for my settings w/my e-manage blue!
The nice thing about the UE is that it doesn't need to condition the MAF voltage to indirectly scale back bigger injectors since it directly controls pulse width, therefore you can run bigger injectors then the Blue ever could. One 350Z guy has even said the car idles smoother with the UE and bigger injectors.
All the new capabilities are awesome too, Speed Limiter cut, Rev limiter cut... among other things. I want to switch mine out. The only question I have is... I have all the harnesses from the blue. Do I need to get all new harnesses for the ultimate and I have the profec e-o1 as well. I hope all these things will just translate over... if they do and someone want to buy the blue brain for a great price, I'll be selling mine very soon
Deac
Deac
Buy the FULL harness set for the UE, since you'll be selling your Blue anyways and nobody will want it without the harness. Plus, the supplemental harness isn't even available yet.
Go here to save ~$50 over mohd.com:
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.p...42#post1596142
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.p...42#post1596142
Originally Posted by blazingchimp
any updates on this? im willing to be the guinea pig as ive wanted to pick up either emanage or SAFC. only problem is i know nothing about tuning and would need someone local to help me out.
also very interested if the raised rev limiter function works.
also very interested if the raised rev limiter function works.
I was reading the description and it says "when used with a wideband A/F Meter, the Air Fuel Target Map can self-tune an Injector base tuning Map, to speed up initial tuning". Which wideband would I be able to use with this? I was thinking about going with the Zetronics but if I cant use it Greddy Emanage Ultimate, then I will find something else.