Guys I already posted a thread about this but problem got even more uncertain!

Chronology of events:

1) Drove my 99 SE with no air filter for 10 min (and regret it), then stopped to put in a K&N that I just washed and oiled (actually over-oiled). The engine started and stalled a couple of times and then wouldn't start at all.

2) Gently cleaned the MAF sensor with cutip and rubbing alcohol = car still wound't start (just to make sure sure if I was supposed to clean the little wire or the green chip??? I didn't touch the wire, but poured rubbing alcohol all over).

4) Checked ECU codes, but there was nothing.

3) Disconnected the fuel pump from the intake manifold, and manually added some fuel = WHAAM! The engine started. I manually checked the Camshaft position sensor and it works! I figured that it must be the immobilizer! Why the hell else would there be no pressure in the fuel pump???

5) Took it to the Dealership (spent $125 on towing). Today they called me and said that "the engine is flooded" and said that I need to change sparkplugs (which I changed myself last week) and an oil change. For ths they want !!! $350 + tax!!!

Guys, what the hell should I do? I think the dealership doesn't know what the problem is and are feeding me with bull****! How could the engine be flooded if I started it when I manually added fuel into the intake manifold??? There must be a spark then, right??? WTF does oil have to do with any of this??? They say that there is "too much gas in the oil"...

Right now I don't even know where the hell else to tow my car. I really think that it's the MAF sensor, but then WHY DOESN'T IT GIVE ME A CODE??? I can't just buy an expensive sensor without knowing 100% that that is the problem.

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Should have never attempted to clean the MAF. Bad idea. And pouring gas into the Manifold another bad idea. You added gas right into your oil. If that motor cranks your probably doing severe damage to your cylinder walls. Not cool.

Get the car back from Nissan right now, Change your oil, change your plugs, get an MAF on the .org for $50 and see where you are at.

-matt

 

But why doesn't it give me a code for a bad MAF? Should I really buy a MAF without knowing 100% that it's bad? Othe people cleaned their MAF and it was fine... How do find a new MAF from .org???

How bad could the damage to the cylinder walls be? Isn't gas supposed to naturally go into the intake manifold?

Also, should I put in new plugs right away or should I leave it open and let it dry?

 

Yea gas goes into the cylinders, but not dumped into the cylinders without being burnt. Thats why its bad to run rich alot of the time because extra gas will make it to your oil and contaminate it quickly. What you did is really bad... I bet all that gas made it right down into your motor. Bad stuff

Get new plugs, there like $12. They are most likely fouled if they came in contact with Fuel

I would never even attempt to clean my MAF. Even if people clean them, they are a really sensative peice of electronics. Even if its bad, the car may have not been running long enough to trip the CEL. Get new plugs, new oil, and see where you are at

-matt

 

Matt,

Thank you for the replies, I really appreciate your feedback!

Where can I find a new maf on .org? I looked through the classifieds and there aren't any posted.

 

Post a wanted thread. "WTB: 4th Gen MAF" They are out there for sale for sure. If its still running like cra*, you may want to look into Coils. On the 99's they are notorious for blown coils. Used set of coils on here are about $150-$200. Our engines have 6 of those

-matt

 

yeah, my coil went bad already, I replaced them.

Please tell me there is no possibility that I killed or severely damaged the engine after pouring gas into the intake...

 

I cant promise anything. I would have NEVER started the car or even advised you to start it. That was a really horrible idea. You may have done some damage, may have not

-matt

 

First off, the car WILL start and run with a bad MAF sensor. Just unplug the MAF and start the car. It will run in limp mode, RPM's limited to just around 2500.

Pouring a little fuel into the intake isn't going to damage anything, the fact that it made it fire for a second tells us you have spark.

You should have spent $15 on a Haynes shop manual instead of $125 on the tow.

It seems like you have a fuel problem. You could have easily trouble shot the car with a shop manual and the help of some of us on here.

I don't think your problem had anything to do with the fact that you drove your car with no air filter for 10 min. or the K&N install.

Tell the dealer not to change the plugs, but to clean and dry them and reuse them. Let them know you will change the oil yourself after the car is up and running. That will stop them from billing you for parts that you don't need as of now. If the problem isn't plug/flooding related, the car isn't going to start for the dealer after that work is performed. That's going to make them start to trouble shoot in depth a bit more. Once they find the real problem you can complain to them about the unnecessary work (spark plugs R&I) and see if they will work with you on some of the labor costs.

Did you tell the dealer you sprayed some fuel into the intake to see if it would start? You could justify the flooding/fuel issue they probably see, maybe avoiding the whole spark plug issue.

 

Tom,

If you read his first post, he sais he Poured fuel into the intake manifold. Thats different then spraying

-matt

 

nothing better then a good ol tuneup

 

I can't agree more, tune it up and it'll be running great. You can do it yourself also

 

Thanks guys for the feedback. Today it all got figured out.

The MAF was ****ed and the immobilizer kicked in as well. So there I couldn't avoid the dealer all together.

Since it was already at the dealership I told them to change the oil and re-program the key. Then when I brought a MAF they installed it for free. They said that they normally charge an hour of labour for that. LOL I laughed in his face. They charged me a total of $182. I could have about half of that but I am too lazy to change the oil (actually I don't really have a place to do it anyway). I changed the spark-plugs myself. I put in the NGK Laser platinum ones and now the car is running a lot better.

I just have one more question. When I took out my old spark-spugs (which weren't really that old), the botton rings were totally black. Could have have happened when I flooded the engine?

 

Matt BTW,

I didn't "POUR" a lot of fuel into the manifold. I sort of "injected" in about a cup.