View Poll Results: Which kit is better and why?
Nigel's
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Which turbo "kit" is better?
#121
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Originally posted by Y2KevSE
Should done it my way.
I wish we were getting a free gauge.
Should done it my way.
I wish we were getting a free gauge.
I think Nig will splurge a bit and get us some free gauges. After all... what is it? Only 3 guys?!?! C'mon Nig!!!
Deac
#122
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Originally posted by Deac
I think Nig will splurge a bit and get us some free gauges. After all... what is it? Only 3 guys?!?! C'mon Nig!!!
Deac
I think Nig will splurge a bit and get us some free gauges. After all... what is it? Only 3 guys?!?! C'mon Nig!!!
Deac
#123
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Originally posted by Deac
I think Nig will splurge a bit and get us some free gauges. After all... what is it? Only 3 guys?!?! C'mon Nig!!!
Deac
I think Nig will splurge a bit and get us some free gauges. After all... what is it? Only 3 guys?!?! C'mon Nig!!!
Deac
can I get one too?
#124
Nigel, I was NOT knocking you guys for qouting books, I was saying that as a compliment.
And yeah your correct on the heat issue. I just was saying if you BOTH would let the petty little dumb **** go, yall both could help MOST of us.
But I will stop there
And yeah your correct on the heat issue. I just was saying if you BOTH would let the petty little dumb **** go, yall both could help MOST of us.
But I will stop there
#126
Originally posted by Y2KevSE
Unbiased analysis...
PFI
Cons
- need to cut metal bumper support
- need to drill holes into frame
- non-mandrel bend piping if you don't upgrade (pressure bends)
- tap oil return to valvecover
- may be missing parts
- bad instructions (I didn't even use the instructions) might be better now
- piping may be off
Pros
- T-bolt clamps
- engine bay looks clean after install
- "bolt-on" kit
HLH
Cons
- lose fog lights
- extra piping around turbo to TB
- piping hangs a bit low
- removal of stock fans for smaller fans
- exhaust piping runs next to the radiator (the left half)
- needs custom installation
- 2.5" down-pipe leading to 3" cat-back
- tap lower oil pan to return oil
- no flex section
Pros
- free install
- no need to cut bumper
- 3" cat-back included
- boost and a/f gauge included (a/f gauge is useless unless you like light shows)
- turbo timer included
Unbiased analysis...
PFI
Cons
- need to cut metal bumper support
- need to drill holes into frame
- non-mandrel bend piping if you don't upgrade (pressure bends)
- tap oil return to valvecover
- may be missing parts
- bad instructions (I didn't even use the instructions) might be better now
- piping may be off
Pros
- T-bolt clamps
- engine bay looks clean after install
- "bolt-on" kit
HLH
Cons
- lose fog lights
- extra piping around turbo to TB
- piping hangs a bit low
- removal of stock fans for smaller fans
- exhaust piping runs next to the radiator (the left half)
- needs custom installation
- 2.5" down-pipe leading to 3" cat-back
- tap lower oil pan to return oil
- no flex section
Pros
- free install
- no need to cut bumper
- 3" cat-back included
- boost and a/f gauge included (a/f gauge is useless unless you like light shows)
- turbo timer included
just curious to know what u mean by free install.
#129
Originally posted by nadir_s
just curious to know what u mean by free install.
just curious to know what u mean by free install.
It's a con because if you run into issues and you live far away... you're somewhat screwed.
#130
Originally posted by Y2KevSE
Free install can be a con or pro... but almost everyone will look at it as pro since cost has been included in the kit.
It's a con because if you run into issues and you live far away... you're somewhat screwed.
Free install can be a con or pro... but almost everyone will look at it as pro since cost has been included in the kit.
It's a con because if you run into issues and you live far away... you're somewhat screwed.
#131
Originally posted by johnvt1111
disagree, that's why you plan it out so if problems do arise you find ways around them....(rent or borrow a car for the time being in the shop). With all the headaches it saves with installing yourself, free install is definately worth it and saves$$$$$$$$
disagree, that's why you plan it out so if problems do arise you find ways around them....(rent or borrow a car for the time being in the shop). With all the headaches it saves with installing yourself, free install is definately worth it and saves$$$$$$$$
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Rent a car? That's money out from your pockets. How long will it take to fix a problem? You don't know...... two, three days.... maybe more. Another important question: Are you always going to drive to Kentucky if you live in say, Maryland?
You gain experience from installing the kit. You also can probably diagnose a problem easier since you will be somewhat familiar with it.
Free install is good if done professionally.
#132
Originally posted by carnal_c30
if you drive to the shop in kentucky you get free install
if you drive to the shop in kentucky you get free install
#133
Originally posted by nadir_s
kev drove all the way to kentucky ?
kev drove all the way to kentucky ?
Hal's kit... you need to drive to Kentucky. PFI/Nigel's kit... you can install it in your own garage if you get the right parts.
#134
Originally posted by Y2KevSE
I would not let anyone I do not know work on my car.
Hal's kit... you need to drive to Kentucky. PFI/Nigel's kit... you can install it in your own garage if you get the right parts.
I would not let anyone I do not know work on my car.
Hal's kit... you need to drive to Kentucky. PFI/Nigel's kit... you can install it in your own garage if you get the right parts.
ooohh i get it now
#135
Originally posted by Y2KevSE
I would not let anyone I do not know work on my car.
Hal's kit... you need to drive to Kentucky. PFI/Nigel's kit... you can install it in your own garage if you get the right parts.
I would not let anyone I do not know work on my car.
Hal's kit... you need to drive to Kentucky. PFI/Nigel's kit... you can install it in your own garage if you get the right parts.
#136
Originally posted by carnal_c30
thats why I'll get a job at the local jiffy lube and demod your car while you let me do an oil change :-)
thats why I'll get a job at the local jiffy lube and demod your car while you let me do an oil change :-)
So when are you coming up again? SoCal and Hal must be corrupting you.
#137
Originally posted by Y2KevSE
So when are you coming up again? SoCal and Hal must be corrupting you.
So when are you coming up again? SoCal and Hal must be corrupting you.
john
#138
Originally posted by johnvt1111
Kev have you hit the track yet with your new setup, or any nice "closed course" runs? Very interested in what you've done to the car like to know how things are with it since you have so many goodies
john
Kev have you hit the track yet with your new setup, or any nice "closed course" runs? Very interested in what you've done to the car like to know how things are with it since you have so many goodies
john
#143
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Originally posted by max88q
Plus renting a car isnt as easy if your state has an age limit that you havent met yet. 25 in Texas to rent a car. Then what?
Plus renting a car isnt as easy if your state has an age limit that you havent met yet. 25 in Texas to rent a car. Then what?
#146
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Originally posted by max88q
nuh uh for real!!! Dang Im 21 did this change recently?
nuh uh for real!!! Dang Im 21 did this change recently?
#148
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Originally posted by passat8mycash
dont waste uer money on nigels kit, waste it on hals, cuz hals is way better!!!
dont waste uer money on nigels kit, waste it on hals, cuz hals is way better!!!
#149
Originally posted by passat8mycash
dont waste uer money on nigels kit, waste it on hals, cuz hals is way better!!!
dont waste uer money on nigels kit, waste it on hals, cuz hals is way better!!!
Ryan
#151
Originally posted by dafro
Do you even know what your talking about, i would rather have a kit that doesn't give me any problems than one that was obviously not planned very well. Pfi the company designed the kit is a very well known performance shop in the import world, Their kit was designed alot better than Hals, im sorry but the turbo placment with hals is way to close to the engine and hoses, which causes melting, baggs has already seen this, with the auto kit the piping runs under the tranny pan loosing clearance plus the work that the shop does to install it is crap. I would rather have a company that desings kits for many cars and proven that they work install a turbo on my car, i would rather deal with small little issues than **** melting and breaking on me. Im not trying to bash you in any way hal but i just think that their could have been a little more planning involved with your kit. Just for the record i was very temtped to go with hals until i talked to the guys at pfi and they showed me what was wrong with it, and to anyone that has issues with pfi's work i have had no problems with the install job, it is very clean and nothing has failed on my car yet.
Ryan
Do you even know what your talking about, i would rather have a kit that doesn't give me any problems than one that was obviously not planned very well. Pfi the company designed the kit is a very well known performance shop in the import world, Their kit was designed alot better than Hals, im sorry but the turbo placment with hals is way to close to the engine and hoses, which causes melting, baggs has already seen this, with the auto kit the piping runs under the tranny pan loosing clearance plus the work that the shop does to install it is crap. I would rather have a company that desings kits for many cars and proven that they work install a turbo on my car, i would rather deal with small little issues than **** melting and breaking on me. Im not trying to bash you in any way hal but i just think that their could have been a little more planning involved with your kit. Just for the record i was very temtped to go with hals until i talked to the guys at pfi and they showed me what was wrong with it, and to anyone that has issues with pfi's work i have had no problems with the install job, it is very clean and nothing has failed on my car yet.
Ryan
#152
Originally posted by johnvt1111
what makes you think Hal hasn't thought out his turbo very well, it's basically the same price, comes with more, and get more h/p out of it.......so saying something isn't thought out isn't right, you guys are knocking hal, i'm pretty neutral, it's what you make out of it, how you tune it, and other goodies you add.........i think this thread is kinda out of order with people taking sides
what makes you think Hal hasn't thought out his turbo very well, it's basically the same price, comes with more, and get more h/p out of it.......so saying something isn't thought out isn't right, you guys are knocking hal, i'm pretty neutral, it's what you make out of it, how you tune it, and other goodies you add.........i think this thread is kinda out of order with people taking sides
#153
Originally posted by dafro
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with the auto kit the piping runs under the tranny pan loosing clearance
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with the auto kit the piping runs under the tranny pan loosing clearance
plus the work that the shop does to install it is crap.
I can only comment that I installed the PFI system myself because, hey, why not, "It's just a weekend thing." Not sure if Nigel is reading but I'd still like to know whether he's basing this thought on his own, solo, and actual installation of a 4th gen kit or if it's based on his understanding of the kit. If he did do it, did he do it at his own home, with his own tools, and the provided instructions?
I would rather have a company that desings kits for many cars and proven that they work install a turbo on my car, i would rather deal with small little issues than **** melting and breaking on me.
I agree with you there, but there is also a breaking point on the "small issues" when you pay dammned close to $5,000 for a "bolt-on" and "weekend thing" kit.
I'm not trying to bash you in any way hal but i just think that their could have been a little more planning involved with your kit. Just for the record i was very temtped to go with hals until i talked to the guys at pfi and they showed me what was wrong with it, and to anyone that has issues with pfi's work i have had no problems with the install job, it is very clean and nothing has failed on my car yet.
Ryan
Did you have to take it back after the initial return to you? If so, for how long and/or to have what issues addressed? Did you ever have to reschedule your install while they waited for the right parts to arrive? Did you tap your valve cover or the oil pan? Did you look to see whether they forced a 1/8 standard pipe thread into the 1/8" BSP fittings?
What all did you have them install? Maybe part of the deal with a PFI kit should be that you take your car to Ft. Collins for installation by the experts at PFI.
#154
Originally posted by joaquink
So it sounds like you had PFI do the install. How long did they, the shop that designed and custom fit this sytem, have your car?
Did you have to take it back after the initial return to you? If so, for how long and/or to have what issues addressed? Did you ever have to reschedule your install while they waited for the right parts to arrive? Did you tap your valve cover or the oil pan? Did you look to see whether they forced a 1/8 standard pipe thread into the 1/8" BSP fittings?
What all did you have them install? Maybe part of the deal with a PFI kit should be that you take your car to Ft. Collins for installation by the experts at PFI. [/B]
So it sounds like you had PFI do the install. How long did they, the shop that designed and custom fit this sytem, have your car?
Did you have to take it back after the initial return to you? If so, for how long and/or to have what issues addressed? Did you ever have to reschedule your install while they waited for the right parts to arrive? Did you tap your valve cover or the oil pan? Did you look to see whether they forced a 1/8 standard pipe thread into the 1/8" BSP fittings?
What all did you have them install? Maybe part of the deal with a PFI kit should be that you take your car to Ft. Collins for installation by the experts at PFI. [/B]
Yes i had pfi do the installation of the entire kit, They had my car for 5 weeks only b/c it was the first automatic they had done and they where trying a bunch of different setups for the piping (alot less room to work with due to the size of the auto trasmission). I have talked to them about install now on the kits and they told me that a week as long as all the parts are in stock, and it will be alot easier now that there exhaust guy is moving into a shop a couple buildings down. also i tapped the valve cover on mine and havn't had any issues.
Ryan
#155
Originally posted by dafro
They had my car for 5 weeks only b/c it was the first automatic they had done and they where trying a bunch of different setups for the piping (alot less room to work with due to the size of the auto trasmission).
They had my car for 5 weeks only b/c it was the first automatic they had done and they where trying a bunch of different setups for the piping (alot less room to work with due to the size of the auto trasmission).
Fair enough to make the modifications and get piping from their source. From what you're saying it sounds as if they don't make/bend the piping themselves to that's understood.
I have talked to them about install now on the kits and they told me that a week as long as all the parts are in stock, and it will be alot easier now that there exhaust guy is moving into a shop a couple buildings down.
So, the PROFESSIONALS WHO DESIGNED THE KIT FROM THE GROUND UP SAY IT WILL TAKE AT LEAST 1 WEEK (IF (that's a really big if based on my experience) ALL PARTS ARE IN STOCK.)
also i tapped the valve cover on mine and havn't had any issues.
Ryan
Ryan
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