It is Hal's duty to make everything right because he is the vendor of the kit. Hal took the $$ so Hal needs to make sure his customers are happy.

It's called customer service.

 

just curious... how much money did bags spent into this whole project?

I've talked to Hal before... online at least and he was helpful. I've talked to Kev in person a couple times and he's definately very helpful. Let's just stick to hopin kirk get's his stuff fixed... u know eventually it will!


but i'd like to add my opinion from the pictures i've just seen... i'm no expert in turbo kits at all but that looks like the work has been half-assed! I can only imagine that he's spent thousands of dollars on the kit and it would kill me to see work done like that! I've i've seen kev's and matthel's turbo setup (also pics on sprint's site) and it's no where near close to being as organized.

I'm sure Hal cares about Kirk's problems and he's mentioned that he wasn't there to personally oversee the work... now it's his job to fix it all. OH well whatever it is, good luck kirk

 

Well when you "mod" a car you have problems either way. The "fastest maxima is a s/ced one. So until somebody shows numbers I dont see anything wrong with it. How does the stillen kit costs less when you add in the gauges and all the extras that go with it. That is easily 4 grand.

 

This is why I think hal is overnighting parts, etc...

 

then nigel/pfi and hal should both stop selling their turbo kit rite now...DAMMIT...and don't start selling it until u guyz get ur shiet together...

 

I did not think I would be in for anything. I was thinking it would be installed by a shop that knew what they were doing.

And most people would agree with me. But, I have moved past that and I am working on getting my car fixed.

For $4000+ I thought it was plug and play. And the little issues, I did let go. Hal and I are working on the big ones that bother me.

And the SC have thier own problems

 

On the whole, who do I deal with?

It is HAL. The shop is in Kentucky and I am in Georgia.

And I did not pay the shop hal did. So money went betwenn me and hal.


End of discussion.

I can't hold the shop accountable

 

Not to bash Hal, but he is who I had a traction with. Not the shop.

To make it simple....

I am HAL's customer.

Hal is the SHOP's customer.

See my point?

 

i see ur point...u take up ur problems w/ hal...once it's settled then it's between him and the shop...fair enuff...

 

cool.. just trying to make sure there is no misinformation.


And for the record again. Hal and I have been talking. He has not blown me off.

is he moving as fast as he can, I hope. I was blindsided by about 10 different problems the first 3 days with a turbo, so yeah I was a bit overwhlemed.

Hal is tyring to make me happy. He was working with me before this thread was started.

 

I would also like to mention that Nigel fronted the money for my intercooler for a whole month before i was able to pay him back.

 

but it does seem to me like Ben and a few of the moderators have a personal vendetta against Hal... just my observation of the last few of these bashing posts

look at the context, bags didnt even know he was going to post these pics, they were taken for constructive purposes and not bashing purposes which they have been used for in this thread

Hal has been doing his best to take care of bags and its difficult with him being away from the shop. Its a shame that this was the first kit done without Hal even being there- I think its understandable if not excusable and Hal has been doing his best to take care of these problems

and Hals 'attitude'?? look at all the crap people give ANYONE who does anything new for the Maxima its happened to me before- and it does kinda **** you off- I know a few guys on the org who get emailed stupid questions all day, get flamed for not posting dynos and 1/4 times... p

now its obvious things went wrong with this kit and Hal is trying to take care of it, I cant think of anyone who bought either kit who didnt have any problems whatsoever- this isnt Greddy and we dont have 200 people buying these kits- you want a quality 100% guaranteed kit for the Maxima? sure write me a check for 10 grand and I'll do it for you

~4000~ is a damn good value for all this power in a custom application, and problems SHOULD be expected- and once these problems arise, its good to see both Nigel and Hal taking care of business- no one is getting screwed here

 

I disagree with just about all of that.

 

GS400 guys pay 20 grand for a turbo kit- granted its much higher quality than these... IS guys still pay 10 or so forgot the actual price for the toyomoto kit

4 grand isnt much to work with, my old 240 had about 6 grand of work or so and it pushed just about 400 rwhp before it left the country

and how has Hal screwed Kirk? he has been trying to fix the problems no one can argue that

 

Actually Swiftracing.com charges 35k for a GS400 Twin Turbo kit.

Dixit

 

thats base soley on your opinion and you are entitled to that.

in coming months you will learn more.. pm me for more details on what i am talking aobut

this is not the first Hal kit with problems, BigDogg has problems, Qnpark has problems, Bags has problems and H2kFrosty has problems..

to my knowledge thats 100% of his customer base. Hal started bashing PFI in a thread in General and acted as though his kit doesn't have any problems. He said none of his customers. How can you say that openly when 100% of your customer base is having problems?

Hal got an ego before he started mass producing Turbo Kits.. so i don't know what you guys are talking about people bashing him. Someone posted this in the OT forum also, i won't repost him but i asked himm to do so. All these changes with Hal happend before he sold his first kit, so you guys don't know what you are talking aobut.

no ****.. but why is he saying no one had problems?

no one is denying that. I never said anything bad about nigel even though the kit wasn't perfect, however when you start bashing nigel saying his kit is not perfect and then say yours is, you are going to hear it from me

 

 

If I was going to call you out I would call you out. If you want a list of names of who I am addressing I would gladly give it, but that wasn't my intention. My intention was not to **** you off because I think we are friends and I don't like to **** off friends.

I was just trying to get everyone to see what it looks like from an outside perspective.

This is why I put a disclaimer at the top of my post.

hello malik

Jason

 

"Receive updates to this thread" button works even better

 

ok, well you know how i feel about not being addressed directly, and i figured since you used most of my points, if that was the case you would let me know.

 

haha hey Jason

now with Hals customers having problems, well with Qs problems we dont know the specifics do we? havent been following his threads in the NE forum- but either way havent all of PFI's customers have had problems yes? not like its a big deal but its to be expected

I think Hal has mentioned it before, but if someone can make a good kit for any cheaper than his or Nigels then he's all for it- I hope that the developments you're talking about Sprint have something to do with a new kit =) if not I'll PM ya for details I wana know!!

and Kev deserves heaps of thanks, while I havent seen his piping he did an awesome job of doing his own kit and helping with others, like Hal has- and Matthel, who started this whole turbo maxima thing and has been involved in every turbo Maxima to come out since I believe.

well I hope what comes out of these threads and bashing... is a better kit

 

What genius!

 

he hasn't let out the specifics ither, he just says everynow and then how much of a pain it is, and how he has to be fixing it. I don't think he intended to say something, it just came out. PFI's kit has problems, what i have a problem with is Hal saying PFI's kit has problems and his having none.

no its not anythign to do with New Kits. Hey i never said anything about my problems, because i wanted a turbo kit, i knew it would not be perfect and i accepted that. However its not fair for Hal to put down Nigel's to get more customers to his kit and his kit isn't any better.

Kev is a F A G. Matthel started the whole Turbo 4th Gen. Nigel was next. I don't know why everythign thinks Hal was second? i had my turbo kit before Hal was starting his.

who knows..

 

You must be mistaking me for someone else, so I'll send you a PM because I care not to discuss this on this thread

 

I thought UncleMax was second.....

Ok going back in corner now...

 

started second, didn't finish second

 

you got a turbo too!!??

 

I'm just happy that Hal and Nigel are doing the kits and give eachother a bit of competition- and its obvious that both kits are far from perfect- but it is moving along, and if Hal is a bit abrasive to Nigel... as long as it moves the competition and the quality of the kits along

 

um, find a quote where i said "pfi's kit has problems and mine has none."

i have not been following q's ne threads, but i do talk to him often and he does not have problems with the kit.. in regards to q's problems, they have nothing to do with the original kit, and beyond that i can not discuss without his permission..
but i can say I do not recommend or advise 18+psi on a stock vq30de, if you go that high on a stock engine, I make no promises. new engines bring new problems. changing turbo's also require new tuning when you run an safc....

what date did you have your turbo kit in your hands, the proper one. and what date did it run perfect? I am not positive, but I would be willing to bet a good bit that i started before you got yours..

and carnal_c30 was correct, I soo wish someone could come out with a perrfect kit for our cars , for a lower price , and just sink myself and the competion.. but unfortunately i do not see that happening right now because we have maximas, not civics. i have even said, if someone copied my kit and made it cheaper, I would be thrilled and quit making them - I am not in it for profit or source of income, if I had never sold a kit I would not care - i'm in this to try and help maxima community.

and sprint, the reason for my "attitude" has nothing to do with my car at all, i don't think its anything incredible. to any customers who email me, etc I am verry nice and as helpful as i can be, and try to post relevant info on the org to help people etc.. the times you see me with an attitude (and esp. recently) is when people hate for no reason, constantly. and the biggest thing that upsets me about the org is the absolute ungratefulness of everyone here, I used the example earlier i can spend a day doing a maxima suspension and mevi install for free to someone i dont even know, to help them out and hook up another maxima member, and at the end of the day, no thank you, nothing other than "my cars tight, later." or some crap like that.. (i could easily name many other verry knowledgeable(sp?) org members who feel the same way) it's annoying, the org has gone so downhill from informative before to almost just politics now - and considering most all of(not all) the moderators have teamed up on me now (deny it, its cool) , why don't you all just please ban me? apparently to you all I help no one, i have even been told that, (see:mzmtg), i do no good for the org, etc - oh and now deezo(moderator) even says "he won't be selling shyte on the org anymore. I'll delete all of the turbo for sale threads" (try and find one where i say fs: turbo kit anyways, i think you are confusing me with nigel.) because i am "burning" my customers. GET ALL THE INFO THEN MAKE THE THREATS BUDDY. Find me 1, just a single turbo customer of mine who feels that they have been burned and that i was a bad person to do business with. PLEASE so i can find out what i did wrong and how to make it right with them, but i know of none! thats right, its people with just an intake that flame me and put words in other peoples mouths and complain about everything! make your own perfect turbo kit that is perfect and sell it, thats a challenge ben, because i promise you do what you are demanding that we do , make a 100% perfect kit, and make it for 3500$ like you are telling us, and there will be no us anymore.

 

hey i am all for better kits and i am all for competition, but don't put the other guy down when your **** isn't any better

 

I leave what is better up to the consumer.. when have i said pfi's kit has problems and mine has none? and when have i put the other guy down when my "****" isn't any better? I'm pretty sure I haven't done too much bashing, i dont know how you keep saying i have and have yet to post quotes where i say "nigels kit sucks" or something? hasnt happened because i have not.

 

I find this ironic

 

yes i agree 100% with what i said. I was not saying my kit was perfect and theirs sucked, I was stating that I do not agree with purposefully selling a "buggy" kit to someone just because you dont like them, think they did others wrong, whatever.. by buggy i was quoting whomever spoke for nigel/pfi (may have been nigel himself i forget) them talking about the kit they sold, not saying his had problems and mind didnt. I guess there should be the word "purposefully" added in my comment about te buggy kit thing, to make the rest of everyone who reads this out of context understand. I dont care if the biggest jerk ever wanted a kit, if i agreed to sell to him I am not going to rip him off just because I dont like him. If pfi/nigel/whoever had a problem with him, why sell him "buggy" stuff instead of just refusing sale. I either think all or nothing, but maybe this is just my personal thoughts or how i was raised weird or something? granted i have bugs in some of my kits etc or whatever, that is not the issue i was talking about. I was talking about purposefully ripping someone off, selling a buggy kit on purpose, etc which in the post where it was stated about the "buggy" kit, that was the perceived situation from their explanations of his kit. You could steal my car, and if i agreed to do a kit for you(i wouldnt), I would deliver my best.

CLIFF NOTES: I am sorry for the confusion, in that quote I was talking about the fact that i do not agree with purposefully selling a buggy kit to someone you don't like or have something against. It had nothing to do with the kit having problems, etc etc

if that was taken the wrong way, I apologize - I did not mean to say that his kit was buggy and mine was not. I was trying to get at a completelly dif. point

 

its all water under the bridge now Good night people.. don't forget to put the popcorn bowl in the dish washer

 

Hal

I am sure that I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. There is absolutely NO WAY, I/PFI would purposely (not purposefully) put out a buggy kit to anyone! That would be totally unethica. Not only that, it would be a waste of time and money on our part. This person would complain and word would get out that we are unethical. I fail to understand why you are continuing to slam me when other people are talking about you.

You need to grow up! Have some self-respect and defend yourself on your own merits, not the shortcomings of others. This thread was not about "Nigel's/PFI's" kit, it is about your kit. Don't start making stuff up about "other" kits.

 

drop it and move on guys...pretty much all parties involved have spoken their peace...

 

You and I know this will NEVER happen. Never.

 

it's like...

i'm not hatin...i'm being fair...
no u not...hater...
u're an a$$hole and he's not...
i'm an a$$hole?? well who's the a$$hole now???
hey don't bring me into this shiet...it's bout u...not meeh...

then the fight continues...i'm gonna stop replying to this thread...i'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the next reply i've already showed how i felt bout how all this went about...

 

After reading this whole thread in the past 30 minutes, I would like to say that everyone just needs to sit down and stop pointing fingers. Every kit out there has flaws, end of story. Bags had flaws, BigJon had different flaws, etc. No car will be like others and on the same plane, no kit will be like other kits.

I am defending both kits by saying that they are the pioneers of turbo kit manufacturing for Maximas. With that being said, no matter what, there will be flaws until properly noted and fixed. So why are you all complaining? Yes, Hals new shop did the sh!ttiest job of an install I have seen, but that was one case. As for Hal's other kits, they have had mostly different non-related problems. This is also true with Nigels kit. Both Hal and Nigel are both pioneers into producing turbo kits, and with that being said, there are going to be problems. End of story. Suck it up.

I have dealt with Hal for the past 2 months and he has never come off to me as being arrogant, stubborn, big-headed, etc. I have called him at 1:00 in the morning with questions and he has more than willing to answer them. Sometimes, people say stuff on the .org that other people take different than others. People are not like yourselves, and everyone is different, but this is the .org, not a reality check.

And why are we all pointing fingers saying "He said that and he said this"? Who gives a rat's a$$. We are all Maxima drivers, we are all in this together. And as .orgers, we should work on correcting these problems as a whole. Yes, they are competitors, and one wants to be better than the other. But with them being the first two pioneers into producing kits, we need to help them both out and deal with the problems so that they/we can benefit from this.

I am done now, break my post apart and tear me down if you want like you do everyone else, but I am done.....

 

are you talking to me?