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Old Sep 25, 2003 | 02:07 PM
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blown engine! =(



No longer than 2 months of having my s/c installed, I just had to be a showoff and took the monster to a nissan meet. Flew up the H3 (steep inclined Highway in Hawaii) at 115 mph (yah yah dangerous to drive fast on public roads but I made sure all conditions were safe before I did such a thing... irrelevant to post so please keep comments to self concerning this) heard the car make some rattling at WOT.. . like a rapid ticking, and then poof.. a cloud of smoke came out of my exhaust. . . Then my speed rapidly dropped, so I think I must of lost a cylinder or two.... the high boost and the intense load on the car played a factor in this. ..

The wonderful Maxima guys on the cruise helped me diagnose the following:
ecu code - multiple cylinder misfire. .. i think it was 7-1. . .
got engine oil coming out the exhaust
engine oil all over the engine bay (due to it coming out of the breather valve)
HAd to get the car towed to my mechanic, but the car still starts and there is still pressure in the radiator. No oil in the radiator, no oil in the intake.. . initial diagnosis is that I busted a piston or a ring, or blew the head gasket. No time for a compression check either.

Have decided to go ahead and rebuild the engine...
Ordered 9:1 compression pistons and new rods, rings, wrist pins, blah blah gaskets.

I have read that aftermarket cams/valves/springs/retainers are unnecessary since I'm already boosted and the stock stuff holds up pretty well. Also read that since I'm not boosting very high, I will not need to Darton sleeve my cylinders.

Currently the set up is 3.125 pulley on a V2 s/c kit with 8:1 FMU disc. I have a tranny cooler and Don's VB mod. I don't plan on runnin any smaller pulley than the 3.125 and if I did want more hp, i would most likely go with a MEVI.

Now, I guess my question for you peeps is what else do I need to finish this up.

I have considered the following by using the infamous search function but I have no clue where to get these things or if I even need all of it. If I get one thing, will I have to get all the rest? shrugs.. .

255 lph walbro fuel pump - Allgo had offered to sell me his
fuel pressure regulator (wut brand, model, and where to buy from)
370 cc fuel injectors
JWT ECU - but I have a '99, will it work?
ARP stud set - where do I get this from?

In terms of gauges, I had originally only had a boost gauge, but now I plan on adding a/f, oil pressure, and oil temp. I have heard mixed comments about getting EGT some say yes, some say it's not that necessary.

Thanks for the help in advance, I have a hard time distinguishing who is bull****ting and who actually knows what they're talking about so please, if you really don't know, don't post.

p.s. and you know what the worst part of this is? The 5th gen was on my *** the whole time..... something must seriously be wrong... shouldn't I be pushing at least 250 hp vs his 227?
Old Sep 25, 2003 | 02:41 PM
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sorry to hear about your engine.....

Originally Posted by PmpLuxCEO
p.s. and you know what the worst part of this is? The 5th gen was on my *** the whole time..... something must seriously be wrong... shouldn't I be pushing at least 250 hp vs his 227?
do you feel your car is a lot faster than before you installed the SC? have you pulled your plugs and see if you are running lean?


are you using the inline fuel pump from stillen? was is wired correctly?

gauges: I would get the EGT and fuel pressure. Forget about the A/F unless you are willing to spend some $ on a good one.
Old Sep 25, 2003 | 02:54 PM
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sorry to hear about your engine.....



do you feel your car is a lot faster than before you installed the SC? have you pulled your plugs and see if you are running lean?


are you using the inline fuel pump from stillen? was is wired correctly?

gauges: I would get the EGT and fuel pressure. Forget about the A/F unless you are willing to spend some $ on a good one.
the car is faster. .. but only when I mash the pedal and get to about 3500rpms.. . the reason why I went with s/c was because of linear gains across the band.. . but then people are telling me that it's because the vortech is a centrifugal, it actually is like a turbo. . . I pulled the plugs out the front bank. . .. they look burnt. . is that normal? I am running the pr5gk or something. . one step colder NGKs. . . should I replace those as well when I rebuild my engine?

inline fuel pump? errr. . . keep in mind that I didn't start looking at performance mods for my car until very recently, so I don't know too much about all this. Also, the s/c was installed by my mechanic, soooo. .. I assume the pump was wired correctly? if the kit came with one, then I have it.

Thinking of also performing some weight reduction on my car when I get it back by replacing my 2 12" subs in the custom trunk with a single 10" in a bandpass and getting lighter rims instead of them chrome 18s".. . If you guys have never seen my car before. . . . here's a link.. .

http://www.pimplux.com/articles/SCS2k3_cars.htm
the burgandy one. . .lol.
Old Sep 25, 2003 | 06:15 PM
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wow - that's still pretty rare that you blew your engine on such a pulley with a 8:1 disc.

I've got basically the same setup right now and cruised through the hills then flatlands in California between Sacramento and Bakersfield doing 120 almost the whole way with no misfires....

So how did your engine blow? Is the jury still out? Could you let us know once you find out?

Thanks!
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Old Sep 25, 2003 | 06:25 PM
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wow - that's still pretty rare that you blew your engine on such a pulley with a 8:1 disc.

I've got basically the same setup right now and cruised through the hills then flatlands in California between Sacramento and Bakersfield doing 120 almost the whole way with no misfires....

So how did your engine blow? Is the jury still out? Could you let us know once you find out?

Thanks!
IanS
Decided to get all the worse case scenario parts first before they pull the engine out of my car. This alone will take a few months. When they finally pull out the engine we'll see wut caused the engine to blow up. Will definitely post back on this thread when I find out. Air is denser in Hawaii? I dunno. You have to remember that Hawaii is a lot smaller so going 30-115 in about 12 seconds and holding it at WOT while going up hill is a little different from driving from Sac to Bakersfield at 120. Anyway, I still need your guys advice about wut to do about my fuel system amongst other things. . thanks in advance.
Old Sep 25, 2003 | 06:37 PM
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True about the difference - but a SC Installed properly with proper fuel management should never blow your engine under any conditions.

And I've done 0-130 on the Dyno many many many times - which is even worse - not moving = no airflow = lots of heat.

IanS
Old Sep 25, 2003 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by iansw
True about the difference - but a SC Installed properly with proper fuel management should never blow your engine under any conditions.

And I've done 0-130 on the Dyno many many many times - which is even worse - not moving = no airflow = lots of heat.

IanS
Hrmm . . . Like I said, I'm not the expert, so I can really only speculate. Guess we'll have to wait and see. So if I put in the higher flowing fuel pump and the FPR, it would be good right? do I need the injectors too? or can i get by with the stock ones?

Also, my V2 is not as QUIET as people have claimed it to be. . could there be something wrong with the blower itself?
Old Sep 25, 2003 | 07:28 PM
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Right now I am running stock injectors, stock fuel pump, Cartech FMU (it's adjustable by *****, not by discs thaty ou ahve to buy) and the Aux Fuel Pump that came with the SC Kit.

AS far as I know, I've never detonated whatsoever.

And if there was something wrong with the SC - mostl ikely it wouldn't blow your engine, it would likely just boost less or not at all.....and it would make really nasty sounds - very noticable.

IanS
Old Sep 25, 2003 | 10:17 PM
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http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/engine/plugs.html <---match your plugs to it.

what about the gap on the plug? was it bent and no gap?

linear gain has less area under the curve on the dyno, it takes too long to reach to peak horse power. The centrifugal SC is really RPM dependant and to get most boost out of it, you have to stay at high RPM. Compared to root type/screw type SC or turbo, they get a good full boost at low/mid RPM range.

if you use the fuel pump that comes with the kit, then make sure it is wired correctly. If you follow Stillen's instruction on wiring the fuel pump, it only turns on when boost is detected inside the intake manifold. To test it, put your hand on the fuel pump and open the throttle and see if it buzzes. The fuel pump is located right below your FMU (the blue disc on the driver side's strut tower)

btw...have you dynoed your car?

nice and clean max you got there

Originally Posted by PmpLuxCEO
the car is faster. .. but only when I mash the pedal and get to about 3500rpms.. . the reason why I went with s/c was because of linear gains across the band.. . but then people are telling me that it's because the vortech is a centrifugal, it actually is like a turbo. . . I pulled the plugs out the front bank. . .. they look burnt. . is that normal? I am running the pr5gk or something. . one step colder NGKs. . . should I replace those as well when I rebuild my engine?

inline fuel pump? errr. . . keep in mind that I didn't start looking at performance mods for my car until very recently, so I don't know too much about all this. Also, the s/c was installed by my mechanic, soooo. .. I assume the pump was wired correctly? if the kit came with one, then I have it.

Thinking of also performing some weight reduction on my car when I get it back by replacing my 2 12" subs in the custom trunk with a single 10" in a bandpass and getting lighter rims instead of them chrome 18s".. . If you guys have never seen my car before. . . . here's a link.. .

http://www.pimplux.com/articles/SCS2k3_cars.htm
the burgandy one. . .lol.
Old Sep 25, 2003 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PmpLuxCEO


No longer than 2 months of having my s/c installed, I just had to be a showoff and took the monster to a nissan meet. Flew up the H3 (steep inclined Highway in Hawaii) at 115 mph (yah yah dangerous to drive fast on public roads but I made sure all conditions were safe before I did such a thing... irrelevant to post so please keep comments to self concerning this) heard the <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="background-color: #f0f000; " HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A> make some rattling at WOT.. . like a rapid ticking, and then poof.. a cloud of smoke came out of my exhaust. . . Then my speed rapidly dropped, so I think I must of lost a cylinder or two.... the high boost and the intense load on the car played a factor in this. ..

The wonderful Maxima guys on the cruise helped me diagnose the following:
ecu code - multiple cylinder misfire. .. i think it was 7-1. . .
got engine oil coming out the exhaust
engine oil all over the engine bay (due to it coming out of the breather valve)
HAd to get the car towed to my mechanic, but the car still starts and there is still pressure in the radiator. No oil in the radiator, no oil in the intake.. . initial diagnosis is that I busted a piston or a ring, or blew the head gasket. No time for a compression check either.

Have decided to go ahead and rebuild the engine...
Ordered 9:1 compression pistons and new rods, rings, wrist pins, blah blah gaskets.

I have read that aftermarket cams/valves/springs/retainers are unnecessary since I'm already boosted and the stock stuff holds up pretty well. Also read that since I'm not boosting very high, I will not need to Darton sleeve my cylinders.

Currently the set up is 3.125 pulley on a V2 s/c kit with 8:1 FMU disc. I have a tranny cooler and Don's VB mod. I don't plan on runnin any smaller pulley than the 3.125 and if I did want more hp, i would most likely go with a MEVI.

Now, I guess my question for you peeps is what else do I need to finish this up.

I have considered the following by using the infamous search function but I have no clue where to get these things or if I even need all of it. If I get one thing, will I have to get all the rest? shrugs.. .

255 lph walbro fuel pump - Allgo had offered to sell me his
fuel pressure regulator (wut brand, model, and where to buy from)
370 cc fuel injectors
JWT ECU - but I have a '99, will it work?
ARP stud set - where do I get this from?

In terms of gauges, I had originally only had a boost gauge, but now I plan on adding a/f, oil pressure, and oil temp. I have heard mixed comments about getting EGT some say yes, some say it's not that necessary.

Thanks for the help in advance, I have a hard time distinguishing who is bull****ting and who actually knows what they're talking about so please, if you really don't know, don't post.

p.s. and you know what the worst part of this is? The 5th gen was on my *** the whole time..... something must seriously be wrong... shouldn't I be pushing at least 250 hp vs his 227?
This is that same setup that I had (except for I have a Walbro) when my car did same thing and blew chunks out of my pistons...DETONATION.
I would get a EGT. I don't know why my engine blew but it did.
Old Sep 26, 2003 | 05:25 AM
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I noticed someone said it shouldn't have happened on a 8:1 FMU disc.. but I think it should have (sorry).

It obviously sounds like you were running lean : detonation + boost = BOOM.

How much boost do you see?

I was running an AFR avg. of 13.3:1 on my 8:1 disc, and that's on a 3.33" pulley.. so I'd imagine your AFR would be even higher... I managed to scrape 14:1... and that's deadly enough...

Switch to a higher ratio, or get an AFC. Either way, you should get something to clean up your curve (after you get it into the safety zone).
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That's weird that you blew your motor on that pulley.. When I had my 2.87" I drove it daily and beat on it every single day.. Never blew a motor but I blew 2 trannys... I was always running more rich then lean so I didn't have any fuel issues.. Maybe you were?

How many miles did you have on the motor anyways?
Old Sep 26, 2003 | 05:39 AM
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Yes but you weren't running it on no fuel system changes aside from a 8:1 disc.

See my post above.

Originally Posted by PCGuRu2K
That's weird that you blew your motor on that pulley.. When I had my 2.87" I drove it daily and beat on it every single day.. Never blew a motor but I blew 2 trannys... I was always running more rich then lean so I didn't have any fuel issues.. Maybe you were?

How many miles did you have on the motor anyways?
Old Sep 26, 2003 | 07:32 AM
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Yes but you weren't running it on no fuel system changes aside from a 8:1 disc.

See my post above.
I was usign the cartech and the aux stillen pump..
Old Sep 26, 2003 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by PCGuRu2K
That's weird that you blew your motor on that pulley.. When I had my 2.87" I drove it daily and beat on it every single day.. Never blew a motor but I blew 2 trannys... I was always running more rich then lean so I didn't have any fuel issues.. Maybe you were?

How many miles did you have on the motor anyways?

he has a 4th gen and 4th gen injectors have a smaller flow rate.
Old Sep 26, 2003 | 08:03 AM
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I thought about that too and it happened to me: my fuel pump wire was cut and it was off all the time. it made my car running really really lean (20:1).

but once it was fixed.....the AFR dropped to < 10:1.

again....if he had EGT and fuel pressure gauge, it will be easier to find out the cause of this problem.


Originally Posted by Jer
I noticed someone said it shouldn't have happened on a 8:1 FMU disc.. but I think it should have (sorry).

It obviously sounds like you were running lean : detonation + boost = BOOM.
Old Sep 26, 2003 | 08:09 AM
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This is actually interesting!!!!! Very Interesting!!!! If you pay attention to his story, its the exact same story that myself and Ben Blanco both have. Oil spitting out of the tail pipes, coolant levels fine, Have no clue at this point what blew it, happened at about 120mph, They all are 99 auto's. Think we have something here? I just got my full engine update and will post soon
Old Sep 26, 2003 | 09:57 AM
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I bet it is pieces missing out of the top of your pistons. Thats waht it was with mine. Even though mine is a 2000, it is basiclly the same setup as the 99, including the engine.

Originally Posted by Redmax
This is actually interesting!!!!! Very Interesting!!!! If you pay attention to his story, its the exact same story that myself and Ben Blanco both have. Oil spitting out of the tail pipes, coolant levels fine, Have no clue at this point what blew it, happened at about 120mph, They all are 99 auto's. Think we have something here? I just got my full engine update and will post soon
Old Sep 26, 2003 | 10:07 AM
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I should probably get a FP gauge.. this is on my to-do list for winter... hence bringing me up to 4 gauges now

Originally Posted by [maxi-overdose]
I thought about that too and it happened to me: my fuel pump wire was cut and it was off all the time. it made my car running really really lean (20:1).

but once it was fixed.....the AFR dropped to < 10:1.

again....if he had EGT and fuel pressure gauge, it will be easier to find out the cause of this problem.
Old Sep 26, 2003 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jer
I should probably get a FP gauge.. this is on my to-do list for winter... hence bringing me up to 4 gauges now
so you have 3 on the a-pillar, where are you going to put the forth?


wanna join the center console gauge pod club?
Old Sep 26, 2003 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Redmax
This is actually interesting!!!!! Very Interesting!!!! If you pay attention to his story, its the exact same story that myself and Ben Blanco both have. Oil spitting out of the tail pipes, coolant levels fine, Have no clue at this point what blew it, happened at about 120mph, They all are 99 auto's. Think we have something here? I just got my full engine update and will post soon
Wow this is what happenend to me!!
3.125 pulley, 8:1 fmu disk 115 mph--- boom!! a week after i had the S/c installed!!
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