Supercharged/Turbocharged The increase in air/fuel pressure above atmospheric pressure in the intake system caused by the action of a supercharger or turbocharger attached to an engine.

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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 05:20 PM
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Thar she blows


Not pretty yet but that's what the next couple of days are for. Pipes will go in for powdercoating tomorrow and we'll tweak the intercooler pipes straighter so it'll be prettier than Sadler's. Taking a vacation to NY this week so the car probably won't see the dyno until next week. Drove under its own power home but our boost gauge isn't working so we don't know how much boost and we're still sorting some minor vacuum issues. Despite the fact we couldn't really get on it not being able to monitor boost, the car boosts fast and hard. Gave it a little gas and the car started pulling really hard around 3000 and by the time I realized to let off it was nearing 5k.

Still some minor things to take care like finding a 4" inlet HKS filter, reworking the oil pan b/c it leaks(my welding skills are no good), and a whole box of gauges to wire up still.

I'll post up more pics in a little while once I finish some other work I have to take care of.
Old Dec 2, 2003 | 05:42 PM
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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 08:17 PM
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Haha, it isn't much to look at yet, but I'm working on it.

I ground down all the welds on the pipes and made them pretty. Tomorrow, I drop them off at my friend's shop for the powdercoating and then the next day, he's ceramic coating the feed and downpipes as well as the turbine housing. And I figured out my vacuum issue, accidentally poked a hole in a vacuum line.

Then I fix the oil pan tap, do the gauges, and install the NX intercooler sprayer and I'm off to the dyno. After I get some tuning done, I drop it off at my friend's bodyshop, take a break and wait.

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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 08:40 PM
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yeah, i wish that i had some of you maxima specific tuners up here in chi-town. i might need some of your (all of you) settings so i can tune my kit without having to do 50 runs.

im also doing a 2.5" pulley/udp experiment pretty soon.

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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 08:44 PM
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I wish we had Maxima specific tuners here in Atlanta too. I'm just fortunate that my friend runs a shop with a dyno and he'll tune my car for practically nothing. He tunes mostly Supras and 240's, but it's all pretty much the same thing. I'm going with the emanage and he knows a good bit about that, so hopefully that works out.

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yeah, i wish that i had some of you maxima specific tuners up here in chi-town. i might need some of your (all of you) settings so i can tune my kit without having to do 50 runs.

im also doing a 2.5" pulley/udp experiment pretty soon.

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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 08:54 PM
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im just glad that i was able to make a trip to jeff for my vb before i moved back to the midwest.
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 03:48 AM
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Cool stuff dood. Hey got a question for ya shadow, how big of a diameter piping are you using for the turbo plumbing like the pipe going from IC to intake. And when are ya gonna release it to us public people so I can paypal ya and have it to my door lol. Oh and be careful bout the boost gauge thing, I was reading an article on the edlebrock turbo kit for the civics and the guy got a bad wadtegate and didnt install the boost gauge and unknowingly was boosting almost 20psi into their single cammer jammer. Was comedy to hear how it felt faster than 6psi that they were suppose to be boosting
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 05:08 AM
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HAHAHAHAH what DUNCE CAPS... yea seriously though, when is the Evolution auto design kit going to be available to the public.. And for how much?
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 07:28 AM
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It's all 2.5" from the turbo outlet through the IC all the way to the MAF. The last foot after the MAF is 3".

Yeah, we were very, very careful on the boost. Just got on it hard enough to make sure everything was running and such.

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Cool stuff dood. Hey got a question for ya shadow, how big of a diameter piping are you using for the turbo plumbing like the pipe going from IC to intake. And when are ya gonna release it to us public people so I can paypal ya and have it to my door lol. Oh and be careful bout the boost gauge thing, I was reading an article on the edlebrock turbo kit for the civics and the guy got a bad wadtegate and didnt install the boost gauge and unknowingly was boosting almost 20psi into their single cammer jammer. Was comedy to hear how it felt faster than 6psi that they were suppose to be boosting
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 08:11 AM
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I am calling 265whp and 268tq at 5psi with 3" exhaust. That's my guess, taking into account the crappy automatic tranny and the fact that you might still have a vacumm leak.

When you get the exhaust done, have grand make that U-turn off the turbo one solid smooth piece. If there is one piece I wish we would have done better it was that one, it's just not smooth. Just something to think about before spending the time to powdercoat and then redo...

Good to see it all lines up and sits well, wish I was there to troubleshoot.. Although I don't know anything about turbo's or how they work or how to install them, but I would sure try my darndest.
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 08:16 AM
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I am trying to find a tighter radius bend for the U Turn off of the turbo. But there are no flow problems with the two piece. And on mine, up close, it's a little smoother than yours since it is only a 2.5" and yours was a 3".

I'm hoping to see 7psi since that is the WG spring in there, I'll have a full 3" exhaust, and the turbo compressor is huge. And I'm definitely planning to have the vacuum sorted before the dyno.

Who knows what kind of power it'll make though. We'll just have to see on that.

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I am calling 265whp and 268tq at 5psi with 3" exhaust. That's my guess, taking into account the crappy automatic tranny and the fact that you might still have a vacumm leak.

When you get the exhaust done, have grand make that U-turn off the turbo one solid smooth piece. If there is one piece I wish we would have done better it was that one, it's just not smooth. Just something to think about before spending the time to powdercoat and then redo...

Good to see it all lines up and sits well, wish I was there to troubleshoot.. Although I don't know anything about turbo's or how they work or how to install them, but I would sure try my darndest.
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Originally Posted by Shadow
I am trying to find a tighter radius bend for the U Turn off of the turbo. But there are no flow problems with the two piece. And on mine, up close, it's a little smoother than yours since it is only a 2.5" and yours was a 3".

I'm hoping to see 7psi since that is the WG spring in there, I'll have a full 3" exhaust, and the turbo compressor is huge. And I'm definitely planning to have the vacuum sorted before the dyno.

Who knows what kind of power it'll make though. We'll just have to see on that.
I hope you only get 5psi like I did. Ha. Just kidding. It would be nice to see you hit that 7psi first time around and to go up from there. Hopefully you'll be able to keep the power going through the RPMs my car starting dropping off at up top. (edited)

Are you gonna run a SAFC-2 or do you have other plans for fuel delivery up top?
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 12:42 PM
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I hope you only get 5psi like I did. Ha. Just kidding. It would be nice to see you hit that 7psi first time around and to go up from there. With that big compressor your power will probably fall off a lot sooner than mine did at the top end.

I would have thought the opposite to be true. I was under the impression a bigger compressor can pump more air at high rpm.
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 01:01 PM
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Yeah, the bigger compressor will flow more at high RPM so I'm hoping for less drop. Compared to Jason's car which ran a T3/T04E, this thing is significantly bigger. It's a T04S compressor with higher AR's than we used on his. Boost is going to come in later, but hopefully not by too much.

They don't even offer an internal wastegate option with a turbo this size because the compressor flows so much air that an internal wastegate would not be able to regulate boost.

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I would have thought the opposite to be true. I was under the impression a bigger compressor can pump more air at high rpm.
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 01:03 PM
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Well, hopefully I hit the full 7 psi first time out with a full 3" mandrel exhaust.

And I'm going the e-manage route so I can run bigger injectors. I'm already working with Dan on a plan for a new motor. No sense in running a big turbo on a stock motor (for too long at least).

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I hope you only get 5psi like I did. Ha. Just kidding. It would be nice to see you hit that 7psi first time around and to go up from there. With that big compressor your power will probably fall off a lot sooner than mine did at the top end.

Are you gonna run a SAFC-2 or do you have other plans for fuel delivery up top?
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Max
I would have thought the opposite to be true. I was under the impression a bigger compressor can pump more air at high rpm.
I have no idea what I was thinking.. I think I got thrown off when I heard boost was starting at 1800rpm, thinking it was already nearing full boost that low. My apologies on that one.
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 02:05 PM
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That looks sweet!!!!!
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Shadow
No sense in running a big turbo on a stock motor (for too long at least).
and why exactly not?

congrats on the install, fun times ahead!!
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 02:44 PM
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congrats jeff... I'd like to see more pics.

And get rid of that darn stock manifold.
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 03:47 PM
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congrats jeff... I'd like to see more pics.

And get rid of that darn stock manifold.
I'll put some up in a little while when I dl them from my camera.

As for the manifold, we may be getting rid of it...but for a MEVI?...
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 04:45 PM
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4" inlet Compressor side

compressor outlet...no need for reducer

Welded up intercooler pipes while we still waited on the BOV.

Don't mind the minor body rust...bodyshop will take care of that soon.
Old Dec 3, 2003 | 04:49 PM
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Masking tape for the 3" couplers we still needed and no actual exhaust side piping yet.

Completed and running engine. the passenger side of the crossover pipe will be higher when we realign the lower intercooler pipe. Notice the turbine already getting rusty...That gets ceramic coated soon

Another angle

Notice the small mess of oil underneath...never learn how to weld on an oil pan
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 07:37 PM
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Wow, in that last pic, it looks like the down pipe is really close to the ground...is that because it's an auto?
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 07:40 PM
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Yes, the auto is lower. But my driveway isn't totally flat, it's hard to tell in that pic, but my driveway dips in the middle slightly like a valley, and where the car is parked, it slopes up under the front so the car looks really low. If the bumper were on, it almost touches the ground right there because of the angle.

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Wow, in that last pic, it looks like the down pipe is really close to the ground...is that because it's an auto?
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 07:57 PM
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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 10:53 PM
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Yeah that driveway is very deceiving.. I nearly hit my front pulling in for the first time, I doubt I'd be able to make it up with the JICs as low as they sit now.

Let's get this bad boy to the dyno!
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 08:24 PM
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I'm confused.....who's car is this? Shadow? Mishap's?
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 08:41 PM
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Where is the air filter going to go, I hope your not runnning that thing without one.
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by spanishrice
Where is the air filter going to go, I hope your not runnning that thing without one.
He mentioned about the HKS mushroom filter. A screen for now I imagine.

Shadow's car.. Mishap doing all the grunt work
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 09:51 PM
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It's my car, Mishap is my younger brother Justin who has been doing most of the fabrication work on my setup.

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I'm confused.....who's car is this? Shadow? Mishap's?
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 09:54 PM
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Air filter is going right on the turbo. Using an HKS, but all of the 4" inlet ones are on backorder everywhere right now. So there is a mesh screen over the turbo for now. Since the car isn't driving right now, it's no big deal. Just there for the times I do need to move it around. I have no plans to drive around without a filter for long. It's really not that big a deal, unless you live in a dusty environment, only running a screen isn't even that detrimental, as long as rocks debris don't get sucked in (which the screen is there to prevent). Having said that, a filter will be on there as soon as they get back in stock, I have it on order.

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Where is the air filter going to go, I hope your not runnning that thing without one.
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