Dyno Results/emanage Question?
06-16-2005, 02:54 PM
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Dyno Results/emanage Question?
Well I have the base tune done, it made 301 hp don't have the rest to post yet ie graph.
I am running 10-12 psi intercooled S/C. My a/f ratio is tuned to 11.69 all across the board. My dilemma is that I feel I should have more like 350+.
I intially tuned with my 97 ecu (stock) and Emanage and made 309 @5500 before detenation stopped us. I was then told that my 97 ecu was too smart for the emanage to take the timing out (32 degrees)? Something like this that the emanage could take out timing but the ecu would recognize this and then add the timing back in? So......That said I sent out a 95-96 ecu to technosqaure to have timing done. they took out 15 degrees all the way across the map, and that is why I feel my numbers are so low.
Anyways would really like an answer to the "smart" ECU question, and where to get the non-coil blowing wiring diagram for the emanage harness and where to get the resistors I may need?
I know REDMAX and others are pulling timing, hows it working and are you using a jwt or technosqaure ecu?
I am running 10-12 psi intercooled S/C. My a/f ratio is tuned to 11.69 all across the board. My dilemma is that I feel I should have more like 350+.
I intially tuned with my 97 ecu (stock) and Emanage and made 309 @5500 before detenation stopped us. I was then told that my 97 ecu was too smart for the emanage to take the timing out (32 degrees)? Something like this that the emanage could take out timing but the ecu would recognize this and then add the timing back in? So......That said I sent out a 95-96 ecu to technosqaure to have timing done. they took out 15 degrees all the way across the map, and that is why I feel my numbers are so low.
Anyways would really like an answer to the "smart" ECU question, and where to get the non-coil blowing wiring diagram for the emanage harness and where to get the resistors I may need?
I know REDMAX and others are pulling timing, hows it working and are you using a jwt or technosqaure ecu?
06-16-2005, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by crewchief264
Well I have the base tune done, it made 301 hp don't have the rest to post yet ie graph.
I am running 10-12 psi intercooled S/C. My a/f ratio is tuned to 11.69 all across the board. My dilemma is that I feel I should have more like 350+.
I intially tuned with my 97 ecu (stock) and Emanage and made 309 @5500 before detenation stopped us. I was then told that my 97 ecu was too smart for the emanage to take the timing out (32 degrees)? Something like this that the emanage could take out timing but the ecu would recognize this and then add the timing back in? So......That said I sent out a 95-96 ecu to technosqaure to have timing done. they took out 15 degrees all the way across the map, and that is why I feel my numbers are so low.
Anyways would really like an answer to the "smart" ECU question, and where to get the non-coil blowing wiring diagram for the emanage harness and where to get the resistors I may need?
I know REDMAX and others are pulling timing, hows it working and are you using a jwt or technosqaure ecu?
I am running 10-12 psi intercooled S/C. My a/f ratio is tuned to 11.69 all across the board. My dilemma is that I feel I should have more like 350+.
I intially tuned with my 97 ecu (stock) and Emanage and made 309 @5500 before detenation stopped us. I was then told that my 97 ecu was too smart for the emanage to take the timing out (32 degrees)? Something like this that the emanage could take out timing but the ecu would recognize this and then add the timing back in? So......That said I sent out a 95-96 ecu to technosqaure to have timing done. they took out 15 degrees all the way across the map, and that is why I feel my numbers are so low.
Anyways would really like an answer to the "smart" ECU question, and where to get the non-coil blowing wiring diagram for the emanage harness and where to get the resistors I may need?
I know REDMAX and others are pulling timing, hows it working and are you using a jwt or technosqaure ecu?
I believe Redmax is pulling timing via the emanage.
06-16-2005, 09:49 PM
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how do you know it was detonating you shouldnt have det problems with 12psi SC w/inter @ 11.7:1 afr
15d is alot of timing to be pulled way to conservative for your setup and definitly why your numbers are low
i think with the ic you could run the stock ECU with 12.5afr and not have any probs and that should give you 350whp
15d is alot of timing to be pulled way to conservative for your setup and definitly why your numbers are low
i think with the ic you could run the stock ECU with 12.5afr and not have any probs and that should give you 350whp
06-17-2005, 12:47 AM
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4th gen ECUs won't counteract the emanage and add timing back in, lots of folks are pulling timing without aftermarket ECUs. Myself (emanage), Mardigras (J&S), Redmax (emanage) and others I'm sure.
06-17-2005, 05:25 AM
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The ecu would try to adjust timing only in closed loop mode, not at WOT.
I have to agree that pulling 15 degrees across the board is too conservative for a SC. It may be appropriate for a turbocharger where you make full boost early on, but with your SC you're making 10-12 psi only at high rpm. You're probably only 1-6 psi from 3 to 5 krpm and the conditions for detonation aren't there.
It would be better to keep stock timing and use J&S to pull timing when knock is detected.
I have to agree that pulling 15 degrees across the board is too conservative for a SC. It may be appropriate for a turbocharger where you make full boost early on, but with your SC you're making 10-12 psi only at high rpm. You're probably only 1-6 psi from 3 to 5 krpm and the conditions for detonation aren't there.
It would be better to keep stock timing and use J&S to pull timing when knock is detected.
06-17-2005, 06:01 AM
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I am still using stock timming and using water/methanol injection running 12 psi. I don't have a knock monitor, but the car pulls very strong throughout the rpm band w/o any audible detonation. I still think i may need to get the emanage timming harness though. Aren't you supposed to pull 1 degree of timming for every psi of boost after 10psi?
06-17-2005, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Max
The ecu would try to adjust timing only in closed loop mode, not at WOT.
I have to agree that pulling 15 degrees across the board is too conservative for a SC. It may be appropriate for a turbocharger where you make full boost early on, but with your SC you're making 10-12 psi only at high rpm. You're probably only 1-6 psi from 3 to 5 krpm and the conditions for detonation aren't there.
It would be better to keep stock timing and use J&S to pull timing when knock is detected.
I have to agree that pulling 15 degrees across the board is too conservative for a SC. It may be appropriate for a turbocharger where you make full boost early on, but with your SC you're making 10-12 psi only at high rpm. You're probably only 1-6 psi from 3 to 5 krpm and the conditions for detonation aren't there.
It would be better to keep stock timing and use J&S to pull timing when knock is detected.
Also right after the emanage install on my stock 97 ecu I was detonating at 1/2 throttle with no boost, What do you think it is to lean?
06-17-2005, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by crewchief264
I make 5 psi at 3000 rpm and then it climbs from there
Also right after the emanage install on my stock 97 ecu I was detonating at 1/2 throttle with no boost, What do you think it is to lean?
Also right after the emanage install on my stock 97 ecu I was detonating at 1/2 throttle with no boost, What do you think it is to lean?
Can't be too lean. I am also running a 11.8:1 AFR and from what i understand that is a little on the conservative.
06-17-2005, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by crewchief264
Still Need to know where to get Resistors and what ones to get I am leaving tomorrow to get the car and would like to finish tuning!
06-17-2005, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by crewchief264
I make 5 psi at 3000 rpm and then it climbs from there
Also right after the emanage install on my stock 97 ecu I was detonating at 1/2 throttle with no boost, What do you think it is to lean?
Also right after the emanage install on my stock 97 ecu I was detonating at 1/2 throttle with no boost, What do you think it is to lean?
06-17-2005, 09:53 AM
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It's different for each setup and especially since you have a 5th gen.
For your SCer, I'd pull 1-degree per psi starting at 5-7psi and with no more then 5-degrees at max. However, with your water injection and based on others without that, I'd say you're probably fine without retarding timing. Just a good safety measure along with colder plugs.
BTW, got dyno Mr. "pulls very strong"?
For your SCer, I'd pull 1-degree per psi starting at 5-7psi and with no more then 5-degrees at max. However, with your water injection and based on others without that, I'd say you're probably fine without retarding timing. Just a good safety measure along with colder plugs.
BTW, got dyno Mr. "pulls very strong"?
Originally Posted by chris'smax
I am still using stock timming and using water/methanol injection running 12 psi. I don't have a knock monitor, but the car pulls very strong throughout the rpm band w/o any audible detonation. I still think i may need to get the emanage timming harness though. Aren't you supposed to pull 1 degree of timming for every psi of boost after 10psi?
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