Supercharged/Turbocharged The increase in air/fuel pressure above atmospheric pressure in the intake system caused by the action of a supercharger or turbocharger attached to an engine.

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Old Sep 5, 2005 | 08:51 AM
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SUpercharger or Turbo

i have an auto max modded up and was wondering what would be there better choice if i deside to do this mod.Iam guess the supercharger would be better because its auto but what do you guys think and which one is actually faster a sc or tc in our cars

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Old Sep 5, 2005 | 09:04 AM
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ummm. if you have an auto and want a turbo, you will lose all but 1 inch of ground clearance. if you do want to put FI on your car, you will need to build up that tranny.
Old Sep 5, 2005 | 09:09 AM
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Check out the FI forum. It is top notch and you will learn a ton.
Old Sep 5, 2005 | 10:16 AM
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Supercharger is way better with an auto.
Old Sep 5, 2005 | 10:18 AM
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yea i figured sc would be the way to go on an auto
Old Sep 5, 2005 | 10:58 AM
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yea. i dont think there has really been an stock auto tranny out there that held up with a turbo on our cars anyways. But from what i read in the FI section. There are some trannys that blew up in 3 months and some still going on 1+ year. So luck of the draw. But chances are your tranny will last longer with a SC.

Turbo cars have higher potiental tho. But i love the SC whine a lot better then a BOV.
Old Sep 5, 2005 | 01:33 PM
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Get with Matty since no one offers the 4th gen supercharger kit anymore, also guys in the boosted forums will help you find info to piece it together.
Old Sep 5, 2005 | 08:36 PM
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for safety reasons the supercharger would be better. But faster? i doubt it. There is also the fact that with an auto boost is kept pretty much at full pressure til you let off the gas. No letting go to shift=no loss of boost.....just a thought.
Old Sep 5, 2005 | 09:15 PM
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yea. i dont think there has really been an stock auto tranny out there that held up with a turbo on our cars anyways. But from what i read in the FI section. There are some trannys that blew up in 3 months and some still going on 1+ year. So luck of the draw. But chances are your tranny will last longer with a SC.

Turbo cars have higher potiental tho. But i love the SC whine a lot better then a BOV.
superchargers happen to have bov's too.
Old Sep 5, 2005 | 10:13 PM
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yea that is true. not that i think about it.


What do you mean you they dont have a 4th gen SC anymore? Dont the stillen site still list it for the 4th gens?
Old Sep 5, 2005 | 10:26 PM
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I think stillen has discontinued it.
Old Sep 5, 2005 | 11:39 PM
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what does the blow off valve acually do for a FI car? is it that thing that gives the car that semi high pitched air sounding thingy?
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 05:04 AM
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I would definatly swap to a Manual Transaxle before adding any forced induction. Personally i would add any forced induction since you lose response and you really cant run alot of boost.
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 09:28 AM
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a blow off valve is what releases the air preassure form the system when you let your foot off the gas pedal. when you let off the gas and the TB plate closes, the air in the system has no where to go, the BOV lets it out.
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 09:31 AM
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would a FI kit come with the BOV? if so, can you upgrade it at all?
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Rbhays
I would definatly swap to a Manual Transaxle before adding any forced induction. Personally i would add any forced induction since you lose response and you really cant run alot of boost.
There is alot of good info in the supercharged/turbo forums. Also check the Redlinemax.com site and read about that 4th gen running 10s. The VQ is boost friendly.
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Rbhays
I would definatly swap to a Manual Transaxle before adding any forced induction. Personally i would add any forced induction since you lose response and you really cant run alot of boost.

Lose response how? The only way one would lose reponse would be by tuning the car with too much timing pulled in the wrong spots of the rpm band. Or building a motor with lower compression to run more boost, then off throttle response will suffer.

The amout of boost is irrelevant. It is the amout of power one makes that matters. With a VQ30 maxima your boosting a 10.5:1 compression motor that runs alot of timing advance. No need to push alot of boost through it. I made an extra 100whp and 100wtq on 5psi.
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 10:00 AM
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I made an extra 100whp and 100wtq on 5psi.[/QUOTE]
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 10:35 AM
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A stock VQ30DE has 10.0:1 CR.

Unless you plan to very quickly build the auto or better yet swap a 5 speed then SC would be better.
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 10:37 AM
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Old Sep 7, 2005 | 11:21 PM
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so in order for v2's to run in 4th gens all we need to get matty's adapter plate and thats all? or are there more parts
Old Sep 8, 2005 | 09:21 AM
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matty's plate is one in a long list of parts. you will need a blower, a filter, a bov or recirc valve, a high flow fuel pump, an fmu, and piping to say the least.
Old Sep 9, 2005 | 10:06 AM
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I built my blower kit for $1400.
Old Sep 13, 2005 | 05:21 PM
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Like many said, with an auto the S/C seem the best way to go, unless you want to go Nitrous. A TI will cost you much more $$$ and require a lot more tuning, because the TI produce much power. If you are ready to spend top $$$ you can have the auto tranny rebuilt and it will sustain 600HP but it's gooing to cost you 3G.

One of the main downside of a TI on an auto is the piping, I mean there is just no room because the auto tranny is much bigger than the stick and thus you will be scraping city street like **** and damage the piping very quickly. I would think that for an auto to get turbo you need first to swap the tranny for a stick unless there is something that I dont get it ( which is very possible, I'm 44 and I still learn everyday) lol. I have had the same dilema, I have a 2k1 auto with all the bolt on
and my #1 choice was to go with a Turbo but spending 9G on that doesn't make any sense. I'm going to boost the max with a Vortech V2 and Matty's plate, if I can hit 300HP I'll be happy. Just for you guys to know I already contact Vortech and they are willing to sell me a S/C for 1500$ or less depending on the trim. With Matty's plate and all the other parts & electronics required I think I can have a good reliable set-up for around 4G. With the Jdubs body kit that I ordered, I'll be the only S/C max in canada with that incredible look so it should calm my appetite for a good while.

Good luck.
Old Sep 15, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by doublea
Like many said, with an auto the S/C seem the best way to go, unless you want to go Nitrous. A TI will cost you much more $$$ and require a lot more tuning, because the TI produce much power. If you are ready to spend top $$$ you can have the auto tranny rebuilt and it will sustain 600HP but it's gooing to cost you 3G.

One of the main downside of a TI on an auto is the piping, I mean there is just no room because the auto tranny is much bigger than the stick and thus you will be scraping city street like **** and damage the piping very quickly. I would think that for an auto to get turbo you need first to swap the tranny for a stick unless there is something that I dont get it ( which is very possible, I'm 44 and I still learn everyday) lol. I have had the same dilema, I have a 2k1 auto with all the bolt on
and my #1 choice was to go with a Turbo but spending 9G on that doesn't make any sense. I'm going to boost the max with a Vortech V2 and Matty's plate, if I can hit 300HP I'll be happy. Just for you guys to know I already contact Vortech and they are willing to sell me a S/C for 1500$ or less depending on the trim. With Matty's plate and all the other parts & electronics required I think I can have a good reliable set-up for around 4G. With the Jdubs body kit that I ordered, I'll be the only S/C max in canada with that incredible look so it should calm my appetite for a good while.

Good luck.
Blackcat lives in BC, has a V2 Blower, and a body kit.
Old Sep 15, 2005 | 11:56 AM
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where would the turbo go on a 00 max.....me and my dad want to fabricate a custom kit but we are kinds stcuk on where the turbo would go
Old Sep 15, 2005 | 12:31 PM
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Look at the millions of pictures posted on here of turbo maximas and look where they put it.
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