upgrade supercharger
#1
upgrade supercharger
i not to popular with the supercharger for the 4th gens.......but has anyone tryed to upgrade to a bigger blower.......also what are the differences between the v1 and v2 plates.....ive pondered for a while on forced induction and ive decided to go with supercharger......
#2
Originally Posted by datboimell
i not to popular with the supercharger for the 4th gens.......but has anyone tryed to upgrade to a bigger blower.......also what are the differences between the v1 and v2 plates.....ive pondered for a while on forced induction and ive decided to go with supercharger......
#3
Well right now your only choice for getting a Supercharger Kt for your maxima is to build your own. With my V1 Plate Kit, you'll have a 100% reliable Supercharger Setup for your maxima, and the choice to "Build it how you want it"
Any V1 or V2 blower from Vortech will work as long as its Counter Clockwise rotation and Stright Discharger. A V1 blower has the capabilty of being upgraded through Vortech to a T-Trim to build boost faster than any S-trim will. It its louder in that respect as well. The S-Trim does put down some repsectable numbers though.
The V2 plate is simply horrible when it comes to reliable boost. It doesnt allow for good belt contact on the main S/C Pulley, Belt Shredding Issues are prevelant, and its an ALUMINUM plate. Heat + Aluminum = Horrible. Many say that's the reason why people shred belts. The heat lets the plate shift a bit and under boost, your belt will shift and shred slowly. The main thing with a supercharger setup is "Belt Alignment". It must stay completely straight through boost
There is a parts list you will need and a Main site. Here are the links and a picture:
Main Information Site: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=446126
Parts list Site: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=455158
Picture:
Any V1 or V2 blower from Vortech will work as long as its Counter Clockwise rotation and Stright Discharger. A V1 blower has the capabilty of being upgraded through Vortech to a T-Trim to build boost faster than any S-trim will. It its louder in that respect as well. The S-Trim does put down some repsectable numbers though.
The V2 plate is simply horrible when it comes to reliable boost. It doesnt allow for good belt contact on the main S/C Pulley, Belt Shredding Issues are prevelant, and its an ALUMINUM plate. Heat + Aluminum = Horrible. Many say that's the reason why people shred belts. The heat lets the plate shift a bit and under boost, your belt will shift and shred slowly. The main thing with a supercharger setup is "Belt Alignment". It must stay completely straight through boost
There is a parts list you will need and a Main site. Here are the links and a picture:
Main Information Site: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=446126
Parts list Site: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=455158
Picture:
#4
Originally Posted by C MAX
well ponder no more go out and get one. you can upgrade the pulley for more boost if thats what you mean
oh no...well i kno you can upgrade the pulley for more boost.....i was talking about the blower not the pully.......which pulley would be best for the most boost....whats the most power you can pump out of a SC.....number wise....hp/tq....
#5
Very few have tried the V1 T Trim. No one has tried the V7, etc. Very expensive.
The smallest pulley = most boost. 2.62" is the smallest anyone has ever used. This is overreving the blower anyway depending on engine rev limit.
350-380whp and 300wtq seems to be the reasonable limit people are making on a VQ30 with V1 (non T trim) or V2. You can get more definitely, but I am not sure if the blower is the main limit or not. I am more of a turbo guy.
BTW "..." is not the best way to seperate thoughts.
The smallest pulley = most boost. 2.62" is the smallest anyone has ever used. This is overreving the blower anyway depending on engine rev limit.
350-380whp and 300wtq seems to be the reasonable limit people are making on a VQ30 with V1 (non T trim) or V2. You can get more definitely, but I am not sure if the blower is the main limit or not. I am more of a turbo guy.
BTW "..." is not the best way to seperate thoughts.
#6
well im running the t trim and it makes a little more noise than the V2 that i replaced it with. i never dyno'd but it seems impressive, but it's hard for me to tell because when i run hard it's normally with combo of nitrous with it.
#7
Originally Posted by SPiG
Very few have tried the V1 T Trim. No one has tried the V7, etc. Very expensive.
The smallest pulley = most boost. 2.62" is the smallest anyone has ever used. This is overreving the blower anyway depending on engine rev limit.
350-380whp and 300wtq seems to be the reasonable limit people are making on a VQ30 with V1 (non T trim) or V2. You can get more definitely, but I am not sure if the blower is the main limit or not. I am more of a turbo guy.
BTW "..." is not the best way to seperate thoughts.
The smallest pulley = most boost. 2.62" is the smallest anyone has ever used. This is overreving the blower anyway depending on engine rev limit.
350-380whp and 300wtq seems to be the reasonable limit people are making on a VQ30 with V1 (non T trim) or V2. You can get more definitely, but I am not sure if the blower is the main limit or not. I am more of a turbo guy.
BTW "..." is not the best way to seperate thoughts.
#8
Originally Posted by C MAX
well im running the t trim and it makes a little more noise than the V2 that i replaced it with. i never dyno'd but it seems impressive, but it's hard for me to tell because when i run hard it's normally with combo of nitrous with it.
#9
Originally Posted by datboimell
i love the whine from a SC....its b - e - a - u - ti - ful....did you feel much of a difference when changed from the V2.....?
#11
Originally Posted by datboimell
so in other words the t trim is better for holding high levels in boost....which blower is better for high boost...14 on the V2 is alot of boost.....could the t trim go passed that......
#13
Originally Posted by datboimell
what about this V7 that SPIG mentioned before.............short period of time meaning how short?
#14
Good luck getting 20psi from a V2. Mardigras was getting about 14-15psi with a 2.62 at 6500. He was over reving it too.
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/products/units/
Vortech superchargers have a "rev limit" which is conservative and probably more of a efficiency limit.
You can calculate how fast the SC will be spinning on that web site as well. Due so some belt slippage you will probably be under that anyway. I can just never remember how big our crank pulley is. I know it is a little over 6".
A V7 can just flow more air more effeciently. Holding any SC or turbo at high boost for a long period of time is going to generate a lot of heat which is bad.
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/products/units/
Vortech superchargers have a "rev limit" which is conservative and probably more of a efficiency limit.
You can calculate how fast the SC will be spinning on that web site as well. Due so some belt slippage you will probably be under that anyway. I can just never remember how big our crank pulley is. I know it is a little over 6".
A V7 can just flow more air more effeciently. Holding any SC or turbo at high boost for a long period of time is going to generate a lot of heat which is bad.
#15
well in all other words my best bet for anything would to go for the V1 plate and blower or swap to a t trim for better efficiency with high boost levels....V2 has to many belt problems...i wouldnt wanna go with that and have issues.....does anyoone think close to 20psi on a V1 plate with a t trim is possible....like around maybe17 or 18 even 19psi........?????
#16
Originally Posted by datboimell
does anyoone think close to 20psi on a V1 plate with a t trim is possible....like around maybe17 or 18 even 19psi........?????
Im not to sure you would wanna do that on stock internals. Thats a hella lot of boost
-matt
#19
Originally Posted by matty
Its definetly possible with a Raised rev limit on the car, either JWT-ECU or Emanage Ultimate and a T-Trim blower. You want a pretty good tune with all that boost..And remember, your still front wheel drive !!
Im not to sure you would wanna do that on stock internals. Thats a hella lot of boost
-matt
Im not to sure you would wanna do that on stock internals. Thats a hella lot of boost
-matt
#20
Originally Posted by datboimell
oh hellz no i dont plan on boosting that much on stock internals....i plan to get some forged work in....cams, pistons, rods, etc..which would be better for what im lookin for, the JWT-ECU or the Emanage Ultimate.....i kno traction is goin to be a Bit$h......
Are you building a kit from scratch, or from a kit you already have ?? Will you purchasing a V1 Plate kit ??
-matt
#21
Originally Posted by matty
JWT has it limites. The emange ultimate is alot more presise with scaling injectors and pulling timing, the JWT is just a program that into your ECU and cant be tinckered with. EU, can be messed with, with a laptop. With all that boost you will definetly need J&S Safeguard as well without a question.
Are you building a kit from scratch, or from a kit you already have ?? Will you purchasing a V1 Plate kit ??
-matt
Are you building a kit from scratch, or from a kit you already have ?? Will you purchasing a V1 Plate kit ??
-matt
#22
Originally Posted by datboimell
i keep on seeing post about people sayin the only to get a SC anymore would be to build one from piece by piece.....so i plan on doing that first...or if you kno were i can buy a whole SC kit with the V1 plate, i will purchase and then upgrade....1 question though.....im not as familiar on what a J$R safeguard is....please explain
Originally Posted by datboimell
I would like to purchase a V1 plate kit though.......
#23
Originally Posted by matty
J&S Safeguard will detect knock before your motor gets any negative effect on it. With all that boost, detonation is a big consern. J&S will pull timing on each individual cylinder thats knocking. If one is knocking, it will pull timing on jsut that one cylinder. Its more of a saftly blanket over the Emange. Guys rave about J&S
PM me about purchasing a kit. I only have One Full Starter Kit avialable.
PM me about purchasing a kit. I only have One Full Starter Kit avialable.
#25
Originally Posted by vortechpower
What does emanage ultimate do that the emanage does not?
-matt
#27
Originally Posted by datboimell
i keep on seeing post about people sayin the only to get a SC anymore would be to build one from piece by piece.....so i plan on doing that first...or if you kno were i can buy a whole SC kit with the V1 plate, i will purchase and then upgrade....1 question though.....im not as familiar on what a J$R safeguard is....please explain.......i would like to purchase a V1 plate kit though.......
#28
Im one of the only cars that I know of that has run the T-trim on a Maxima. For one its a he11 of a lot louder than a V2 and its quite a bit louder than a V1 S-trim. The car would make 14psi at 7k rpms with the 3.125 pulley vs 11-11.5 psi with the 3.125 pulley on the V1 S-trim. It sounds quite a bit different revving also as far as the sound pitches etc.
I see someone mentioned the V7 Ysi trim, if it would have fit I would have run that instead of the T-trim. Unfortunately it will not fit in the aloted area nor will it bolt directly to the stillen blower plate.
I see someone mentioned the V7 Ysi trim, if it would have fit I would have run that instead of the T-trim. Unfortunately it will not fit in the aloted area nor will it bolt directly to the stillen blower plate.
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