Update on SC'd 3.5L
04-18-2006, 05:50 PM
#1
Update on SC'd 3.5L
Well after weeks of waiting on parts and waiting on the shop the motor should be in the car tommorow. The motor is all put together except for the fuel rail and intake manifold. It looks like the DE-K fuel rail will work except we are going to cutt the mounting tabs off and re-weld them in the necessary positions. Everything went together smoothly which is not a normal thing for me
The setup is as follows:
3.5L SC'd w/ 2.87 pulley
26x6x3 bar and plate intercooler w/ 3" pipes
cooling mist methanol injection
CAI mod
Nismo 3.5L R-tune cams
ARP rod bolts
DEK fuel rail (return style)
PF thorttle body w/ stephenmax mounting adapter
Hotshot headers
ATP 3" cuttout
Power Enterprise 510cc injectors
Emanage Blue w/ injector and ignition harness
Zeitronix Wideband O2
Everybody please keep their fingers crossed that we can get this thing to fire up tommorow
The setup is as follows:
3.5L SC'd w/ 2.87 pulley
26x6x3 bar and plate intercooler w/ 3" pipes
cooling mist methanol injection
CAI mod
Nismo 3.5L R-tune cams
ARP rod bolts
DEK fuel rail (return style)
PF thorttle body w/ stephenmax mounting adapter
Hotshot headers
ATP 3" cuttout
Power Enterprise 510cc injectors
Emanage Blue w/ injector and ignition harness
Zeitronix Wideband O2
Everybody please keep their fingers crossed that we can get this thing to fire up tommorow
04-18-2006, 09:10 PM
#5
You could just put your FPR before the Fuel rail and T it off and essentially convert to returnless while still keeping the 1:1 pressure variable. That way you don't have to weld anything, if they are already doing it then I guess you can do it that way.
04-19-2006, 04:23 AM
#9
Originally Posted by Deckdout2
What timing chain cover is being used? and is this a blower a roots type for clearance if it's on the 3.5 engine? how is it mounted? i'd really like to see some pics.
I am using the 3.0 timming chaing cover(inside and out) along w/ the rest of the 3.0 timming equipment. Also i am using the 3.0 upper and lower oil pans.
04-19-2006, 09:52 AM
#10
About time someone did this. I never understood why the 3.5L motor swapped 4th gens dont just SC the damn car. Blower mounts right to the side of the engine. It's great that you went inside (rods, etc.). Good job.
04-19-2006, 10:02 AM
#11
Originally Posted by TJ_Max
About time someone did this. I never understood why the 3.5L motor swapped 4th gens dont just SC the damn car. Blower mounts right to the side of the engine. It's great that you went inside (rods, etc.). Good job.
2. He didn't get aftermarket rods....
04-19-2006, 10:09 AM
#12
Originally Posted by Nismo3112
1. Most of us are satisfied with the performance we get out of an N/A 3.5.
2. He didn't get aftermarket rods....
2. He didn't get aftermarket rods....
Oops, rod bolts. And I get ya, as far as being satisfied with the N/A 3.5L, just never saw the point in it. Seems like you'd be just as safe running a 7psi pulley on an SC and still kick a 3.5s ***. :shrug:
04-19-2006, 11:10 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by TJ_Max
And I get ya, as far as being satisfied with the N/A 3.5L, just never saw the point in it. Seems like you'd be just as safe running a 7psi pulley on an SC and still kick a 3.5s ***. :shrug:
04-19-2006, 11:55 AM
#14
Originally Posted by 96sleeper
Whats the price for a S/C setup? $3000 minimum seems to be the going rate. Whats the price for a 3.5? Mine was $500. I would also love to run a S/C 3.0 max at the track with a 7psi pulley....
No not really, there is actually one for sale now for $2,700 with everything needed to bolt on. I got mine for 2,200 with 800 worth of extras. I'd say 2500-3200. Price for a 3.5, the motor is like 600-800? Labor is?? Don't know. 1200 is what tilley charged my friend (this was for tranny and motor i think). So something like eh, 2 grand. IMO, it just isn't as fun as boosting. No BOV, no spool up, no "boost kicking in", and no upgrading to a better more powerful set up. I guess it's just me. I can do things like beat up on another 300whp vehicle, lol. I say it's all worth the extra 500-1000. I don't know how many people kept their stock 7psi, or 6psi pulley in their SC setup.
And watch how I bring it back on topic:
But Chris has the best of both worlds here!
lol.
04-19-2006, 12:31 PM
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If you count install price for the 3.5, you have to count install for the S/C too. Bottom line, 3.5 swap is thousands cheaper than a S/C. Plus, I can upgrade too... I can add a S/C.
It is as fun as boosting too, hp is hp. I don't care about a blowoff valve, I don't care about boost kicking in.
It is as fun as boosting too, hp is hp. I don't care about a blowoff valve, I don't care about boost kicking in.
04-19-2006, 12:45 PM
#16
Originally Posted by 96sleeper
If you count install price for the 3.5, you have to count install for the S/C too. Bottom line, 3.5 swap is thousands cheaper than a S/C. Plus, I can upgrade too... I can add a S/C.
It is as fun as boosting too, hp is hp. I don't care about a blowoff valve, I don't care about boost kicking in.
It is as fun as boosting too, hp is hp. I don't care about a blowoff valve, I don't care about boost kicking in.
That is true, I was forgetting the $300-$500 install price. Hey it's def your opinon though, which I respect. However, All motor your car will NEVER be as fast/powerful as a boosted 3.0 can be, that's the bottom line I was presented with when I had to choose between the two. So I saved up another $1,000 and now beat up on ANYTHING all motor with a 3.5L engine in it. By the way, once you're boosted, you're over on our side now. Because we are talking boost vs. all motor. You wouldn't really be all motor if you did the swap then boosted that. To each his own though, my friend. You are stuck with 245whp (if that), when it came time to choose I couldn't deal with that. Especially being in a local Nissan club with a bunch of super/turbo'd vehicles. Would kinda suck hanging in the back all the time with the rest of the 5.5gens.
BTW, you have to make a back on topic statement, lol. Like the following:
So in conclusion, Chris is doing the best thing right now with his car. LOL.
04-19-2006, 12:57 PM
#17
Originally Posted by TJ_Max
That is true, I was forgetting the $300-$500 install price. Hey it's def your opinon though, which I respect. However, All motor your car will NEVER be as fast/powerful as a boosted 3.0 can be, that's the bottom line I was presented with when I had to choose between the two. So I saved up another $1,000 and now beat up on ANYTHING all motor with a 3.5L engine in it. By the way, once you're boosted, you're over on our side now. Because we are talking boost vs. all motor. You wouldn't really be all motor if you did the swap then boosted that. To each his own though, my friend. You are stuck with 245whp (if that), when it came time to choose I couldn't deal with that. Especially being in a local Nissan club with a bunch of super/turbo'd vehicles. Would kinda suck hanging in the back all the time with the rest of the 5.5gens.
BTW, you have to make a back on topic statement, lol. Like the following:
So in conclusion, Chris is doing the best thing right now with his car. LOL.
BTW, you have to make a back on topic statement, lol. Like the following:
So in conclusion, Chris is doing the best thing right now with his car. LOL.
Which is one of the main reasons people choose the 3.5 over a boosted 3.0 in the first place.I could also say that a boosted 3.5 > boosted 3.0. But i won't play that card since that would be childish. People work with what they have. Lay off...
04-19-2006, 01:00 PM
#18
Originally Posted by nismology
Money doesn't grow on trees for most of us. Which is why people choose the 3.5 over a boosted 3.0.
Which is why people choose the 3.5 over a boosted 3.0.LOL, Werd, agreed. Which is definitely a reason I can accept. Don't say "oh it's better", just because you invested in it already.
04-19-2006, 01:08 PM
#19
Originally Posted by TJ_Max
About time someone did this. I never understood why the 3.5L motor swapped 4th gens dont just SC the damn car. Blower mounts right to the side of the engine. It's great that you went inside (rods, etc.). Good job.
04-19-2006, 01:12 PM
#20
Originally Posted by ajcool2
HHMM maybe I could be the first auto to do this.
WERD, i've been boosting with a beefy auto tranny and I can't take it. No matter what there is always that tiny lag between shifts. Had to invest in the 5spd.
04-19-2006, 01:15 PM
#21
Originally Posted by chris'smax
I am using the 3.0 timming chaing cover(inside and out) along w/ the rest of the 3.0 timming equipment. Also i am using the 3.0 upper and lower oil pans.
04-19-2006, 01:19 PM
#24
Originally Posted by ajcool2
Are there any disadvantages in doing this instead of using the 3.5?
yes because you don't have to modify anything. With usingthe 3.0 oil pans the crank sensor will get a correct reading because it will be placed the correct distance
04-19-2006, 05:16 PM
#27
at the end of the day it comes down to personal preferance (SP? oops)... if you rather a 3.0 S/C'd then go for it and if you rather a N/A 3.5 than go for that...
however see it this way... for those who have the 3.0L s/c can just upgrade to a 3.5L and for those running a N/A 3.5L you can jusdt add a S/C... discuss.... LOL!!!!
I would rather go S/C... my opinion....
and like TJ said keep it on topic...
Chris you are doing your thing... you are going to have a real big ranch under that hood... get it get it... ranch... as in horses which with the 3.5 S/C'd a lot of "horse" power... get it get it... LOL!!!! had to add a lil laughter...
however see it this way... for those who have the 3.0L s/c can just upgrade to a 3.5L and for those running a N/A 3.5L you can jusdt add a S/C... discuss.... LOL!!!!
I would rather go S/C... my opinion....
and like TJ said keep it on topic...
Chris you are doing your thing... you are going to have a real big ranch under that hood... get it get it... ranch... as in horses which with the 3.5 S/C'd a lot of "horse" power... get it get it... LOL!!!! had to add a lil laughter...
04-19-2006, 05:49 PM
#28
about this discussion of 3.5L swap vs. 3.0 SC
Granted that the SC will produce more top end power, but the 3.5 has a great power curve(useful power) and runs strong throughout the the rpm band. The way i see it is
3.5L= Great for someone who wants to go fast for a reasonable price and 1/4 mile track racing.
3.0L SC= great peak power #'s and great for runs from a roll. Doesn't produce awesome 1/4 mile times due to weak low end torque
3.5L SC= teh win
Granted that the SC will produce more top end power, but the 3.5 has a great power curve(useful power) and runs strong throughout the the rpm band. The way i see it is
3.5L= Great for someone who wants to go fast for a reasonable price and 1/4 mile track racing.
3.0L SC= great peak power #'s and great for runs from a roll. Doesn't produce awesome 1/4 mile times due to weak low end torque
3.5L SC= teh win
04-19-2006, 08:14 PM
#29
chris, glad things are coming together for you.
96sleeper is well over 245whp with his bolt on and cammed 3.5. Let us know when you run better times than he has already - on street tires - on his first trip to the track with the car - while missing 4th gear even.
Originally Posted by TJ_Max
That is true, I was forgetting the $300-$500 install price. Hey it's def your opinon though, which I respect. However, All motor your car will NEVER be as fast/powerful as a boosted 3.0 can be, that's the bottom line I was presented with when I had to choose between the two. So I saved up another $1,000 and now beat up on ANYTHING all motor with a 3.5L engine in it. By the way, once you're boosted, you're over on our side now. Because we are talking boost vs. all motor. You wouldn't really be all motor if you did the swap then boosted that. To each his own though, my friend. You are stuck with 245whp (if that), when it came time to choose I couldn't deal with that. Especially being in a local Nissan club with a bunch of super/turbo'd vehicles. Would kinda suck hanging in the back all the time with the rest of the 5.5gens.
96sleeper is well over 245whp with his bolt on and cammed 3.5. Let us know when you run better times than he has already - on street tires - on his first trip to the track with the car - while missing 4th gear even.
04-19-2006, 11:38 PM
#30
Originally Posted by Nealoc187
chris, glad things are coming together for you.
96sleeper is well over 245whp with his bolt on and cammed 3.5. Let us know when you run better times than he has already - on street tires - on his first trip to the track with the car - while missing 4th gear even.
96sleeper is well over 245whp with his bolt on and cammed 3.5. Let us know when you run better times than he has already - on street tires - on his first trip to the track with the car - while missing 4th gear even.
I made my point already. It already has been proven time and time again. He has to boost the car to be anywhere near 11.9, 12.1, mid 12s with the SC. My point is, with my setup, it's possible, with his, it is impossible. VERY impressive NA times, but me running 13.5 down the track with just the SC bolted on at 9-10psi won't prove much IMO. I'd slap on every single bolt on he did on his 3.5L with my SC and beat his times though. And, i'll miss 4th gear on purpose, lol.
But enough about that, i'll just take it as a challenge for this summer. I will set out to beat 13.2. 
. Neal quit instigating!And Chris SC 3.5L FTW.
04-20-2006, 06:38 AM
#31
Originally Posted by TJ_Max
I made my point already. It already has been proven time and time again. He has to boost the car to be anywhere near 11.9, 12.1, mid 12s with the SC.
Originally Posted by TJ_Max
My point is, with my setup, it's possible, with his, it is impossible.
Originally Posted by TJ_Max
VERY impressive NA times, but me running 13.5 down the track with just the SC bolted on at 9-10psi won't prove much IMO. I'd slap on every single bolt on he did on his 3.5L with my SC and beat his times though. And, i'll miss 4th gear on purpose, lol.
Originally Posted by TJ_Max
But enough about that, i'll just take it as a challenge for this summer. I will set out to beat 13.2. . Neal quit instigating!
. Neal quit instigating!And before you reply remember I had a T-trim fully modded 4th gen and could not pull very hard from SR20DEN when we would play around on the streets.
04-20-2006, 06:39 AM
#32
Originally Posted by TJ_Max
So I saved up another $1,000 and now beat up on ANYTHING all motor with a 3.5L engine in it.
04-20-2006, 08:07 AM
#34
Originally Posted by Blu←
When you beat a 12.8@108 non cammed 3.5l without having to use nitrous then come back and talk, until then don't make these statements.
04-20-2006, 08:12 AM
#35
Okay, i'll retract all statements just to clarify: Fastest all motor Nissan Maxima will not beat the fastest supercharged/turbo Nissan Maxima. If someone copied SR20DEN's setup, then boosted the car, you mean to tell me the NA car will be faster? Are you serious? This was what I was getting at. I just don't see it happening. If I dropped 96sleeper's motorwork into my supercharged 3.0, he will be faster without the boost? This is the point you seem to be defending. Because somewhere down the line you lost sight of what I was getting at. Might have been my fault for incorrectly phrasing things. It's like 1 car is 300hp, another is 260hp, if you gave them both 100 shot of nitrous, the 260 hp car will end up being the faster car?
The initial "debate" was 3.5L motor swap vs bolt on SC. No motor work involved at all. I bought my kit with a 10psi pulley. That's what I started out with. So you all are saying out of the shop, the 3.5L swapped 4th gen is going to beat an SCed 4th gen. If this is the case, then lord I have TONS more reading to do I guess. And i'll just admit to being a super noob.
The initial "debate" was 3.5L motor swap vs bolt on SC. No motor work involved at all. I bought my kit with a 10psi pulley. That's what I started out with. So you all are saying out of the shop, the 3.5L swapped 4th gen is going to beat an SCed 4th gen. If this is the case, then lord I have TONS more reading to do I guess. And i'll just admit to being a super noob.
04-20-2006, 08:16 AM
#36
Originally Posted by nismology
Thanks for the ownage. It was well deserved in this case.
04-20-2006, 08:20 AM
#37
Originally Posted by Blu←
When you beat a 12.8@108 non cammed 3.5l without having to use nitrous then come back and talk, until then don't make these statements.
Oh and no problem, just get me a list of ALL the mods he did to get there, i'll do it and just run 7psi on top of it all. But according to your theory he'd still be the faster vehicle.
BTW, uhm, hi Chris. You're lucky you don't have to debate this because you are on both sides of this, lol.
Oh and fellas relax on the ranting, it REALLY isn't that serious.
04-20-2006, 08:22 AM
#38
Originally Posted by TJ_Max
Okay, i'll retract all statements just to clarify: Fastest all motor Nissan Maxima will not beat the fastest supercharged/turbo Nissan Maxima. If someone copied SR20DEN's setup, then boosted the car, you mean to tell me the NA car will be faster? Are you serious? This was what I was getting at. I just don't see it happening. If I dropped 96sleeper's motorwork into my supercharged 3.0, he will be faster without the boost? This is the point you seem to be defending. Because somewhere down the line you lost sight of what I was getting at. Might have been my fault for incorrectly phrasing things. It's like 1 car is 300hp, another is 260hp, if you gave them both 100 shot of nitrous, the 260 hp car will end up being the faster car?
The initial "debate" was 3.5L motor swap vs bolt on SC. No motor work involved at all. I bought my kit with a 10psi pulley. That's what I started out with. So you all are saying out of the shop, the 3.5L swapped 4th gen is going to beat an SCed 4th gen. If this is the case, then lord I have TONS more reading to do I guess. And i'll just admit to being a super noob.
The initial "debate" was 3.5L motor swap vs bolt on SC. No motor work involved at all. I bought my kit with a 10psi pulley. That's what I started out with. So you all are saying out of the shop, the 3.5L swapped 4th gen is going to beat an SCed 4th gen. If this is the case, then lord I have TONS more reading to do I guess. And i'll just admit to being a super noob.
I never understood why the 3.5L motor swapped 4th gens dont just SC the damn car.
And I get ya, as far as being satisfied with the N/A 3.5L, just never saw the point in it.
No BOV, no spool up, no "boost kicking in", and no upgrading to a better more powerful set up. I guess it's just me. I can do things like beat up on another 300whp vehicle, lol.
However, All motor your car will NEVER be as fast/powerful as a boosted 3.0 can be, that's the bottom line I was presented with when I had to choose between the two. So I saved up another $1,000 and now beat up on ANYTHING all motor with a 3.5L engine in it.
You are stuck with 245whp (if that), when it came time to choose I couldn't deal with that. Especially being in a local Nissan club with a bunch of super/turbo'd vehicles. Would kinda suck hanging in the back all the time with the rest of the 5.5gens.
04-20-2006, 08:34 AM
#39
Theres no need for the arguements here. Chris is finally doing something out of the ordinary for the max. And I for one cant wait to see what it does. Alot of people will be reading this to get information on how to do this themselves not read through a bunch of arguing. Someone should start a new thread about all motor vs. FI and discuss it there.
04-20-2006, 08:36 AM
#40
Originally Posted by nismology
No. The root of the issue was you coming across as a douche when you said.....Like i said before...money doesn't grow on trees. Lay off, or leave this thread please... What's your point anyway?