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Old 04-20-2006, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ajcool2
Theres no need for the arguements here. Chris is finally doing something out of the ordinary for the max. And I for one cant wait to see what it does. Alot of people will be reading this to get information on how to do this themselves not read through a bunch of arguing. Someone should start a new thread about all motor vs. FI and discuss it there.

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Old 04-20-2006, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TJ_Max
Okay, i'll retract all statements just to clarify: Fastest all motor Nissan Maxima will not beat the fastest supercharged/turbo Nissan Maxima. If someone copied SR20DEN's setup, then boosted the car, you mean to tell me the NA car will be faster? Are you serious? This was what I was getting at. I just don't see it happening. If I dropped 96sleeper's motorwork into my supercharged 3.0, he will be faster without the boost? This is the point you seem to be defending. Because somewhere down the line you lost sight of what I was getting at. Might have been my fault for incorrectly phrasing things. It's like 1 car is 300hp, another is 260hp, if you gave them both 100 shot of nitrous, the 260 hp car will end up being the faster car?

The initial "debate" was 3.5L motor swap vs bolt on SC. No motor work involved at all. I bought my kit with a 10psi pulley. That's what I started out with. So you all are saying out of the shop, the 3.5L swapped 4th gen is going to beat an SCed 4th gen. If this is the case, then lord I have TONS more reading to do I guess. And i'll just admit to being a super noob.
Your arguement was talking about a boosted 3.0 walking all over a swapped 3.5L 4th gen. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out a boosted 3.5 will be faster than a NA 3.5 with the same mods. The quickest/fastest SC'ed 4th gen is not that impressive boost alone and once these guys get the 3.5l 4th gens dialed in and tuned properly they will be just as quick as any SC'ed 3.0 without nitrous of course. You can't even begin to compare Turbo Maximas to SC'ed Maximas becuase they aren't even in the same ballpark. And yes a swapped 3.5 will be just as quick as an out of the box SC'ed 3.0 at the track. Torque does wonders in which the Vortech blower does not provide on the 3.0. My car was at the 310whp level when I ran SR20DEN when he was in the 260whp ballpark. Lets just say area under the curve works wonders in a race.
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Old 04-20-2006, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TJ_Max
Oh and no problem, just get me a list of ALL the mods he did to get there, i'll do it and just run 7psi on top of it all. But according to your theory he'd still be the faster vehicle.
you will not get anywhere near a 12.8 or 108mph at 7psi, you really do need to do more research before making statements like this. His mods are modified stock manifold, raised rev limit, headers/exhaust, homemade maf housing and tuning. Less than $2000 spent on everything including all the dyno time.
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Old 04-20-2006, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Blu←
you will not get anywhere near a 12.8 or 108mph at 7psi, you really do need to do more research before making statements like this. His mods are modified stock manifold, raised rev limit, headers/exhaust, homemade maf housing and tuning. Less than $2000 spent on everything including all the dyno time.
This is SR20DEN we are talking about or 96 sleeper? I know one of them has more work than that, cutout, widened TB, etc.

And let's keep this in the other thread I made.
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Old 04-20-2006, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TJ_Max
My fault if what I was saying made you feel like I was coming off as a "douche". I NEVER expected there to be any kind of emotional attachment to another member's post like this. And yeah, money doesn't grow on trees, I agreed with you on that. And I did lay off. Check after I "layed off" how many responses I got. I came off as "3.5L is a waste of money compared to SC, prove me wrong". And Blu, in a way did just that. Please grow up man, the ownage and douche comments were just unnecessary. You learn something new every day. I sure did and even retracted my statements. Once again, YOU lay of or just don't read my posts. I'd def like more insight on this 3.5L vs SC though. I know i've seen older discussions on this topic.
You just sounded like you you were saying "you idiots need to stop wasting your time running an n/a 3.5 cus there's no point". If that's NOT what you were saying, my apologies.
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Old 04-20-2006, 09:22 AM
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Sooooo If you were at band camp and you put a Vortech blower in your p.u.s.s.y...
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Old 04-20-2006, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by nismology
You just sounded like you you were saying "you idiots need to stop wasting your time running an n/a 3.5 cus there's no point". If that's NOT what you were saying, my apologies.

Not at all, it did look like that though .
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Old 04-20-2006, 10:22 AM
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i'm building the cheapest N/A 3.5 setup on the .org. everything >$1500 without tuning, >2000 with tuning, and when I tune, I'll be going for low 13's.

I just think it's more cost effective, more reliable, and more reliable to get a 3.5L. i already have the power of a S/C (even more if you do it right), and I have the option to put an S/C ON TOP OF IT, for even more power. In that case, the S/C is a bit limited in upgradeability.
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Originally Posted by tavarish
i'm building the cheapest N/A 3.5 setup on the .org. everything >$1500 without tuning, >2000 with tuning, and when I tune, I'll be going for low 13's.

I just think it's more cost effective, more reliable, and more reliable to get a 3.5L. i already have the power of a S/C (even more if you do it right), and I have the option to put an S/C ON TOP OF IT, for even more power. In that case, the S/C is a bit limited in upgradeability.

That's kind of cheating to say that though. It's walking out of the NA realm that way. But I can put a 15psi pulley on the SC within 2 hrs for free, lol. I guess it's just easier as far as upgradeability. And that would be like me saying I have the SC I can always just buy the 3.5 with 1500, no problem. Cheater.
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Old 04-20-2006, 10:42 AM
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boost the 3.5 and see low 12s on 10psi.....I [email protected] at first track appearance with new setup.
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Old 04-20-2006, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TJ_Max
That's kind of cheating to say that though. It's walking out of the NA realm that way. But I can put a 15psi pulley on the SC within 2 hrs for free, lol. I guess it's just easier as far as upgradeability. And that would be like me saying I have the SC I can always just buy the 3.5 with 1500, no problem. Cheater.
what's easier, a SC install, or an engine swap? Most people wouldnt change engines after doing an FI setup. I'm not saying you wouldnt, you prolly would ( and a CF one at that, lol), but after getting the 3.5, you have a stock engine, you're not putting any more wear on the parts than they were designed to handle. When you add any sort of FI, you're dramatically exceeding the limits of what the Nissan engineers ever thought the engine could take, limiting the reliability. Also, they still make the 3.5L engine, which opens the door for lots of aftermarket parts for not only the Maxima, but the 350z, which is very popular in the aftermarket.

i'm not going to boost this car, i'd rather boost something rwd or awd. Who knows, I might find something for cheap like I always do and end up with a totally different setup than I think i'll have.
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Originally Posted by TILLEYS99
boost the 3.5 and see low 12s on 10psi.....I [email protected] at first track appearance with new setup.
you don't count. you make beasts for a living

Let us backyard mechanics have our fun.
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Old 04-20-2006, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tavarish
you don't count. you make beasts for a living

Let us backyard mechanics have our fun.
true but i was a former backyard mechanic, hell i still am you should see my backyard.
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Old 04-20-2006, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TILLEYS99
true but i was a former backyard mechanic, hell i still am you should see my backyard.
so, you still wanna take my parts car chassis in exhange for drilling my cams and cam spacers?

It'll be ready this week.
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Old 04-20-2006, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tavarish
you don't count. you make beasts for a living

Let us backyard mechanics have our fun.

LMAO, werd. TJMAX CUSTOMS and Tavarish Customs FTW. LOL. Tilley building 6 second Maximas , you don't count in this battle for 12s and 13s, lol.
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Old 04-20-2006, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tavarish
so, you still wanna take my parts car chassis in exhange for drilling my cams and cam spacers?

It'll be ready this week.
yup i will get a set of spacers in this coming week for you. BTW i wont need to drill yours since i just came up with a new spacers/adapter that wont require drilling.
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Originally Posted by TILLEYS99
yup i will get a set of spacers in this coming week for you. BTW i wont need to drill yours since i just came up with a new spacers/adapter that wont require drilling.
NICE! now I won't have to open up my valve covers and take out the cams. You saved me lots of time on my swap!

(I'm still taking off the IM cause the 350z's going on it tho)
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Originally Posted by TILLEYS99
yup i will get a set of spacers in this coming week for you. BTW i wont need to drill yours since i just came up with a new spacers/adapter that wont require drilling.


So no more drilling of cams

How much
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Old 04-20-2006, 05:27 PM
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Soooo hows the progress coming?
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