Disappointed with my SC
06-07-2007, 06:11 PM
#1
Disappointed with my SC
Well its the first day of my vacation and this morning I went for a dynotune to get my BEGi fmu sorted out so I can boost again. Just as I previously had the stock Vortech fmu on as I now have the BEGi fmu with Aeromotive fpr on I'm still getting detonation at the top end. The Max still has the stock 270cc injectors in but I've put in the Walbro 255 fuel pump and one-step colder plugs.
The guy that did my dynotune tells me that I need an ecu upgrade to deal with it. Of course this is my first time hearing about the Unichip. The guy tells me all about the Unichip and even showed me a Tahoe and a Dodge Ram hooked up with this device in his shop. The Tahoe had two injectors mounted in a special IM with a small Vortech fuel rail. When I say injectors I mean like the 270cc side-feed ones that our Maxes use. The guy tells me that the detonation is due to leaning out.
After looking through some threads dating back to 2004 it seems that the Greddy emanage will do a better job of handling the timing. The guy quotes me $900USD (I read $1000 USD in the old threads) and about 3 hours labour ($225.00CDN).
In a phone call on speaker phone with this guy I'm dealing with and his contact with Unichip (btw, this guy is also a Unichip dealer) they say that its possible to hook us Maxima people up. Now in these old threads in the Org its been said that you still have to dynotune to get it right but only Unichip dealers can do the tuning.
Oh yeah, I think that I'll have to resign myself to the fact that with an autotragic my numbers will not get any better than 222hp at the wheels.
So what do you guys think about this?
The guy that did my dynotune tells me that I need an ecu upgrade to deal with it. Of course this is my first time hearing about the Unichip. The guy tells me all about the Unichip and even showed me a Tahoe and a Dodge Ram hooked up with this device in his shop. The Tahoe had two injectors mounted in a special IM with a small Vortech fuel rail. When I say injectors I mean like the 270cc side-feed ones that our Maxes use. The guy tells me that the detonation is due to leaning out.
After looking through some threads dating back to 2004 it seems that the Greddy emanage will do a better job of handling the timing. The guy quotes me $900USD (I read $1000 USD in the old threads) and about 3 hours labour ($225.00CDN).
In a phone call on speaker phone with this guy I'm dealing with and his contact with Unichip (btw, this guy is also a Unichip dealer) they say that its possible to hook us Maxima people up. Now in these old threads in the Org its been said that you still have to dynotune to get it right but only Unichip dealers can do the tuning.
Oh yeah, I think that I'll have to resign myself to the fact that with an autotragic my numbers will not get any better than 222hp at the wheels.
So what do you guys think about this?
06-07-2007, 06:52 PM
#3
well without more details on the setup it's hard to give advice, but yeah 222whp is pretty sad unless you're still on the stock pulley.
forget the unichip, it's not a bad unit (I know guys making over 500 to the wheels with it) but like you said, you can only get it tuned by authorized dealers who have the software, and it's more expensive than an emanage blue.
forget the unichip, it's not a bad unit (I know guys making over 500 to the wheels with it) but like you said, you can only get it tuned by authorized dealers who have the software, and it's more expensive than an emanage blue.
06-07-2007, 10:01 PM
#4
Originally Posted by Nealoc187
well without more details on the setup it's hard to give advice, but yeah 222whp is pretty sad unless you're still on the stock pulley.
V2, 3.125 pulley, Budget Y and resonated B pipes, stock muffler, stock injectors, Aeromotive fpr, BEGi fmu, Walbro 255.
I can't understand why I got about the same hp numbers with my 3.33 a few years ago and 3.125 now? I'm at 6lbs boost with the 3.125.
What can I do about the detonation?
06-07-2007, 10:56 PM
#5
the stock pulley is a 6psi pulley... 3.125 should be like 10psi if I recall correctly - where's your other 4psi at?
to get rid of detonation you need to get proper equipment to tune with. I find it hard to believe that you're detonating on only 6psi though unless you're running incredibly lean or running non premium gas. posting your dyno and knowing your AFR would be helpful.
to get rid of detonation you need to get proper equipment to tune with. I find it hard to believe that you're detonating on only 6psi though unless you're running incredibly lean or running non premium gas. posting your dyno and knowing your AFR would be helpful.
06-07-2007, 11:04 PM
#6
Using Chevron 92 octane. My Blitz bov was leaking air too, right up to 2100rpm. Maybe thats where my 4psi is going? Maybe I should put my original Bosch bov back on to see if that helps?
I'll post the dyno as soon as I get a chance.
I'll post the dyno as soon as I get a chance.
06-07-2007, 11:20 PM
#7
Hmm well I'm no expert on those BOVs so I can't answer that question - but I wouldn't give up on your setup just yet. I think you probably have a very specific problem or two that is leading to your low numbers, and once fixed, your car will be significantly more powerful.
06-08-2007, 07:30 AM
#10
Originally Posted by Nealoc187
Hmm well I'm no expert on those BOVs so I can't answer that question - but I wouldn't give up on your setup just yet. I think you probably have a very specific problem or two that is leading to your low numbers, and once fixed, your car will be significantly more powerful.
I would add... get rid of the FMU and get an EU and be done with it. That will give you all the control you'll need and more.
06-08-2007, 08:17 AM
#12
Autos will dyno slightly different the manuals...
I pulled about 248 hp with my stock pulley with Walbro (5 speed) way back. I never dynoed with my new setup.
Aren't you running a J&S, too?
I pulled about 248 hp with my stock pulley with Walbro (5 speed) way back. I never dynoed with my new setup.
Aren't you running a J&S, too?
06-08-2007, 08:52 AM
#13
Like the others said, you definitely need to track down the missing 4-5psi of lost boost. Start with replacing your Blitz BOV with the Bosch and go from there.
What gauges do you have?
What gauges do you have?
06-08-2007, 09:01 AM
#14
Nope. No J&S.
Sorry, but more questions:
I found a local guy selling an emanage ultimate for $500Cdn. Comes with the unit itself, software and the 3rd harness specifically used for the ultimate. Is that what comes in the kit? Whats the model number for the EU? So that means I'll have to buy a laptop for this? Just reading up on DandyMax's emanage thread at the moment. So I need the J&S in conjunction with the EU?
I've got Autometer fuel pressure, egt and boost gauges.
Sorry, but more questions:
I found a local guy selling an emanage ultimate for $500Cdn. Comes with the unit itself, software and the 3rd harness specifically used for the ultimate. Is that what comes in the kit? Whats the model number for the EU? So that means I'll have to buy a laptop for this? Just reading up on DandyMax's emanage thread at the moment. So I need the J&S in conjunction with the EU?
I've got Autometer fuel pressure, egt and boost gauges.
06-08-2007, 09:10 AM
#15
Originally Posted by BlackCat
Nope. No J&S.
I found a local guy selling an emanage ultimate for $500. Comes with the unit itself, software and the 3rd harness specifically used for the ULTIMATE. Is that what comes in the kit?
I found a local guy selling an emanage ultimate for $500. Comes with the unit itself, software and the 3rd harness specifically used for the ULTIMATE. Is that what comes in the kit?
06-08-2007, 05:30 PM
#17
Originally Posted by Chunger
Autos will dyno slightly different the manuals...
I pulled about 248 hp with my stock pulley with Walbro (5 speed) way back. I never dynoed with my new setup.
Aren't you running a J&S, too?
I pulled about 248 hp with my stock pulley with Walbro (5 speed) way back. I never dynoed with my new setup.
Aren't you running a J&S, too?
hi chunger!
not sure if we ever talk, but good to see some OGs still hanging around.
06-08-2007, 11:45 PM
#18
Originally Posted by Cumalot
hi chunger! not sure if we ever talk, but good to see some OGs still hanging around.
not sure if we ever talk, but good to see some OGs still hanging around.BlackCat - The J&S trims just enough timing independently on 3 channels (2 cylinders each) to prevent detonation, it also can pull timing per pound of boost (starting at a settable psi). I'm not familiar with the other unit so I can't say anything about it.
06-09-2007, 06:53 AM
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BlackCat- If your interested in Emanage Ultimate, please buy the unit NEW and nothing else. DO NOT PURCHASE THE UNIT OFF EBAY cause it wont be covered under any type of waretee.
Go to www.Forgedinternals.com and order through Sharif. (hes the main guy on www.my350z.com)
Its better to start off with a NEW Unit cause if there any problems with the install, you can elimate the unit being a problem. If you buy it used, itll always be in the back of your mind.
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Go to www.Forgedinternals.com and order through Sharif. (hes the main guy on www.my350z.com)
Its better to start off with a NEW Unit cause if there any problems with the install, you can elimate the unit being a problem. If you buy it used, itll always be in the back of your mind.
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06-15-2007, 10:50 AM
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Am I REALLY the only one that suspects this dyno guy is super shady and just trying to make a buck off selling a unichip? I was thinking this even before he started having difficulties getting you the runfiles..... what's next..... "oh, I apologize but the entire system had to be erased and software reinstalled so I don't have them any more". I would go somewhere else after you fix your leaky bov.......
06-15-2007, 11:13 AM
#23
Originally Posted by The Wizard
So you're saying you just recently dynoed? Cool. Does your boost gauge read 10psi now?
I had to retighten the bolt holding in the Koni cartridge on the right strut last night and getting an alignment after work today.
06-15-2007, 11:18 AM
#24
Originally Posted by KRRZ350
Am I REALLY the only one that suspects this dyno guy is super shady and just trying to make a buck off selling a unichip? I was thinking this even before he started having difficulties getting you the runfiles..... what's next..... "oh, I apologize but the entire system had to be erased and software reinstalled so I don't have them any more". I would go somewhere else after you fix your leaky bov.......
As for the pc (separate pc) that's hooked up to his dynojet he had to restore the harddrive when I got there because a rookie employee f-ed up the pc. He asked me to give him a shout again next week.
06-15-2007, 11:25 AM
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"oh, I apologize but I had to restore the entire harddrive because a rookie employee f-ed up the pc so I don't have them anymore"
Granted it's very possible my gut feeling is wrong, but do you have anything to loose by trying a different place next time?
Granted it's very possible my gut feeling is wrong, but do you have anything to loose by trying a different place next time?
06-15-2007, 11:52 AM
#26
Originally Posted by KRRZ350
"oh, I apologize but I had to restore the entire harddrive because a rookie employee f-ed up the pc so I don't have them anymore"
Granted it's very possible my gut feeling is wrong, but do you have anything to loose by trying a different place next time?
Granted it's very possible my gut feeling is wrong, but do you have anything to loose by trying a different place next time?
At first I thought the problems was because of having Windows Vista but when I looked at the dyno guy's pc he had Windows XP. Anyhow its a software issue.
In my quest for more hp I picked up 4 SR20DET injectors and am looking for 2 more.
06-16-2007, 08:58 PM
#27
After replacing the Blitz DD bov with the Bosch bov, the missing psi is still missing. Gonna have to do the soapy water test next.
On a good note I changed the platinum plugs with NGK V-Power BKR6E-11 plugs (gapped at .036) and fresh Mobil 1 oil and I have giddyyup and go again.
Now I have to deal with those noisy Pirelli PZero Neros....
On a good note I changed the platinum plugs with NGK V-Power BKR6E-11 plugs (gapped at .036) and fresh Mobil 1 oil and I have giddyyup and go again.
Now I have to deal with those noisy Pirelli PZero Neros....
06-17-2007, 11:31 AM
#28
I would try to find the boost leak. Also you should be making more power than that. If you are really leaning out on the top end then you may need to change out your injectors for larger ones. I did at about the same point you are at.
If funds are tight, then you can do a eManage blue (that is what I am still running) for alot less and get what you need to tune right.
If funds are tight, then you can do a eManage blue (that is what I am still running) for alot less and get what you need to tune right.
06-17-2007, 03:12 PM
#30
Originally Posted by KRRZ350
cool cool, I geuss. And yeah, I'm glad that you're considering going somewhere else, you might find it worth the extra drive time.
How did the plugs look.........
How did the plugs look.........
Yep, considering the emanage ultimate soon. In the current Modified magazine there's a writeup on the many brands of ecu add-ons.
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