Supercharged/Turbocharged The increase in air/fuel pressure above atmospheric pressure in the intake system caused by the action of a supercharger or turbocharger attached to an engine.

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Old 07-29-2009 | 12:57 AM
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Old 07-29-2009 | 04:35 AM
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parts I am waiting for finally came in from intakehoses.com
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Old 07-29-2009 | 05:53 AM
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One of my favourite 5th Gens on this fourm. Very nice build
Old 07-29-2009 | 07:07 AM
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SICK BUILD, iv heard about that turbo. and it is awesome, I think it even has an anti-surge feature. Do you have any internal work on the engine?
Old 07-29-2009 | 11:44 AM
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Specs on the rebuilt motor.

Pistons, rods, bearings, rings

And i'm mad at you for going s/c to turbo, but I love your beast of a car anyways.

oh and btw...talk about alot of room to work there between the radiator and intercooler NICE!
Old 07-29-2009 | 12:05 PM
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SICK BUILD, iv heard about that turbo. and it is awesome, I think it even has an anti-surge feature. Do you have any internal work on the engine?
Originally Posted by DrunkieTheBear
Specs on the rebuilt motor.

Pistons, rods, bearings, rings

And i'm mad at you for going s/c to turbo, but I love your beast of a car anyways.

oh and btw...talk about alot of room to work there between the radiator and intercooler NICE!
lol, supercharger was fun and lots of it. I could have gotten to the mid 400s with the supercharger but ended up taking on this project cause I always wanted to go turbo.

yes, lots of room behind the bumper

motor is stock pistons rods and rings........
Old 07-29-2009 | 12:35 PM
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well after many years...I'm finally supercharged...
Old 07-29-2009 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DrunkieTheBear
well after many years...I'm finally supercharged...
congrats.....you'll love boost. There's nothing like it.
Old 07-29-2009 | 09:04 PM
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man that looks very cool especially the painting that u did =]
Old 08-01-2009 | 04:29 PM
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update....have a little idle issue to resolve otherwise everything is good

Old 08-01-2009 | 04:56 PM
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Oooo boy.

I, shouldn't have looked in this thread.

Sexy build Props for doing it in your backyard I hope to do the same someday.
Old 08-01-2009 | 07:10 PM
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was the reason you pull the maf before the turbo due to space or performance

I can't remember but I think putting the maf there cause some stalling issues, for some reason I can not remember the pros/cons of placing the maf on onbe side rather than the other

I've been drinking so give me time and I'll remember if someone does not post the answer
Old 08-01-2009 | 10:16 PM
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Well for one if you vent your bov to atmosphere you will have a stall on decel seeing you are bleeding off metered air. Its somewhat harder to tune pre turbo but not im possible at all. I always will put my maf charged side just to make my life a lil easier to tune. Hell i may even go mafless this year to be honest.
Old 08-02-2009 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by t6378tp
was the reason you pull the maf before the turbo due to space or performance

I can't remember but I think putting the maf there cause some stalling issues, for some reason I can not remember the pros/cons of placing the maf on onbe side rather than the other

I've been drinking so give me time and I'll remember if someone does not post the answer
space, no stalling issues.......using a HKS SSQV
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Well for one if you vent your bov to atmosphere you will have a stall on decel seeing you are bleeding off metered air. Its somewhat harder to tune pre turbo but not im possible at all. I always will put my maf charged side just to make my life a lil easier to tune. Hell i may even go mafless this year to be honest.
no issues with maf there. I did take it around the block and got a chance to press second a lil and man oh man.........

I do agree with tuning being a ***** with the maf on that side tho but I'm still using the FMU so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Old 08-02-2009 | 06:12 AM
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ok thats what it was tuning with the maf pre-turbo, so how does the car control the injectors if it does not see the extra air coming from the turbo. I know you have a fmu but that work off of vac/boost and the safc but maf voltage. I am not sure about a safc but on my vafc2 you could tune into close loop but the ecu would override so I set my everything to kick in after 30% throttle and 3k rpms which is fine but what are you going to do when your not in those ranges for tuning

I am asking cause this quesion came up before, when I was worried about being on the highway in 4 or 5gear around 50-70mph and floor it
Old 08-02-2009 | 09:04 AM
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The maf on the inlet side of the turbo sees all the air that is going into the engine because it has to come through the maf first. Pretty much the ecu is going to try to keep the car at 14.7 afr in closed loop, so adjustments you make the ecu will try to adjust the afr to keep it 14.7. Alot of turbo people just tune the open loop and the transition range into boost. Right now my timing is slightly advanced in closed loop and retarded in boost. Injector pulsewidth is increased in the transition ranges into boost with the emanage blue but I'm going to experiment with an o2 clamp and see what the results are. For turbos you will make more power safer with something like an emanage blue/ultimate versus safc/vafc because you have timing control and can increase injector pulsewidth.
Old 08-02-2009 | 10:08 AM
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The maf on the inlet side of the turbo sees all the air that is going into the engine because it has to come through the maf first. Pretty much the ecu is going to try to keep the car at 14.7 afr in closed loop, so adjustments you make the ecu will try to adjust the afr to keep it 14.7. Alot of turbo people just tune the open loop and the transition range into boost. Right now my timing is slightly advanced in closed loop and retarded in boost. Injector pulsewidth is increased in the transition ranges into boost with the emanage blue but I'm going to experiment with an o2 clamp and see what the results are. For turbos you will make more power safer with something like an emanage blue/ultimate versus safc/vafc because you have timing control and can increase injector pulsewidth.
so it does not matter open or close loop the e-blue will pull timing when X amount of boost is reached
Old 08-02-2009 | 10:20 AM
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It can. You set it up what ever way you want. You can pull based on maf voltage or the greddy pressure sensor reading.
Old 08-02-2009 | 10:51 AM
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sweet build man, 2 things, someone told me i couldnt use FMU with a turbo 'cause the power was so sudden and the FMU is not quick enough to keep up with the fuel demands of the turbo, and also i thought the MAF had to be on the charge side. man when i get this new job, imma go turbo, Kzoosh gonna help me right? :-)
Old 08-02-2009 | 11:33 AM
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sweet build man, 2 things, someone told me i couldnt use FMU with a turbo 'cause the power was so sudden and the FMU is not quick enough to keep up with the fuel demands of the turbo, and also i thought the MAF had to be on the charge side. man when i get this new job, imma go turbo, Kzoosh gonna help me right? :-)
Im always down to help the peeps out. U dont have to put the maf on the charged side. Bish you will have a stall issue trust me. U may not have it now but you will. I think the vafc has a anti stall feature built in. Once you do have the stall you can set the anti stall to give it a little more gas per say to keep from dying.
Old 08-02-2009 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JAMAICANLOVRBOY
sweet build man, 2 things, someone told me i couldnt use FMU with a turbo 'cause the power was so sudden and the FMU is not quick enough to keep up with the fuel demands of the turbo, and also i thought the MAF had to be on the charge side. man when i get this new job, imma go turbo, Kzoosh gonna help me right? :-)
I thought about that as well about the FMY not being able to keep up.....but I guess it will be trial and error. I plan on upgrading injectors and to a EMU in to future but I just want to work out the bugs first.
Old 08-02-2009 | 11:40 AM
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Im always down to help the peeps out. U dont have to put the maf on the charged side. Bish you will have a stall issue trust me. U may not have it now but you will. I think the vafc has a anti stall feature built in. Once you do have the stall you can set the anti stall to give it a little more gas per say to keep from dying.
yes the vafcs does have it, I starting paying with it to keep my car from leaning out and backfiring when going from wot to 0 throttle

but then I sold it before I got it right
Old 08-02-2009 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JAMAICANLOVRBOY
sweet build man, 2 things, someone told me i couldnt use FMU with a turbo 'cause the power was so sudden and the FMU is not quick enough to keep up with the fuel demands of the turbo, and also i thought the MAF had to be on the charge side. man when i get this new job, imma go turbo, Kzoosh gonna help me right? :-)
dont think thats entirely accurate alot of guys still run FMU's not usually vortech but 'begi' i believe. im gonna be using one with my setup just to get rolling prior to purchasing larger injectors.

and two kzoosh da man always willing to help a bro out.
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3in mandrel bent catback from Tesh, cost effective functionality





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Coilovers still need to be adjusted, fenders rolled for the rear wheels.....car still needs to be washed from sitting for like 8 months
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So I heard you hit the track

TIMES PLEASE
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Looking good!! If I had a 5th gen I would want it exactly like yours, turbo, bodykit, and se-r wheels.
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Originally Posted by t6378tp
So I heard you hit the track

TIMES PLEASE
I did but not with this car, that was my boy's 5.5 gen, it ran a 14.6 spinning. Still trying to get the launch right.

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Looking good!! If I had a 5th gen I would want it exactly like yours, turbo, bodykit, and se-r wheels.
Thank you sir
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i thought the MAF's life will be greatly decreased when it's on the charge side...true/false?
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Originally Posted by secondtonone317
3in mandrel bent catback from Tesh, cost effective functionality





final piping setup

Was that catback custom made at that shop? How does it sound? What Muffler was used?
Old 09-04-2009 | 07:22 AM
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Turned out very nice man.. You know your gonna shred the hell out of those KDWII's right?
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i thought the MAF's life will be greatly decreased when it's on the charge side...true/false?
well, I wouldn't say so. I am still using the same MAF from when I first SCed the car 2+ years ago. However I must have put only about 10-15k on the car boosted. I dont drive it alot but when I do its WOT from the time it comes out of my driveway to the time it returns.

I do have an issue where the car wont rev past 2600 if I start it up once. When it does that I just shut it off and restart it and it works fine. Any suggestions?


Originally Posted by Flava_24/7
Was that catback custom made at that shop? How does it sound? What Muffler was used?
It was, I used a forza/obx 3in inlet muffler. It sounds good, a little raspy in the begining but once it warms up the tone gets better ant the rasp goes away.
Old 09-04-2009 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Juiced SE-R
Turned out very nice man.. You know your gonna shred the hell out of those KDWII's right?
Thank you, those KDW's are scary when they start loosing traction. It pulls the car all over the road trying to catch grip. I literally pressed in the right lane and when the boost hit, it pulled me to the left lane then back to the right then I ended up somewhere in the middle, lol


Turbo is way better than the supercharger.
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Wow very impressive man! Can't wait to see some numbers!
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I do have an issue where the car wont rev past 2600 if I start it up once. When it does that I just shut it off and restart it and it works fine. Any suggestions?


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Thats one of the symptoms for the maf giving problems, what maf is it?
Although having it on the charge side is nothing bad, MAF's do die occasionally, and most likely not related to it being on a turbo car. See if you can swap with someone else and test it for a bit.
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Originally Posted by streetzlegend
Thats one of the symptoms for the maf giving problems, what maf is it?
Although having it on the charge side is nothing bad, MAF's do die occasionally, and most likely not related to it being on a turbo car. See if you can swap with someone else and test it for a bit.
swapped it but still same issue, I just start up twice every time, lol
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It was, I used a forza/obx 3in inlet muffler. It sounds good, a little raspy in the begining but once it warms up the tone gets better ant the rasp goes away.
Nice, I think Im ready to look into a 3" setup soon. I was worried about it being too loud but the car isnt my daily anymore so it shouldnt matter now.
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fmu is also working fine for me


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