Supercharger BOV question
#1
Supercharger BOV question
Hey guys, I'm in the process of picking out the last bits I need for a supercharger kit I'm picking up here in a week or so. I've been searching for the last several hours with no results, but has anyone tried one of the OBX inline BOV's? Link to one on eBay I've found that diverter/by-pass valves are better than blow off valves for superchargers (based on my research).
Here's likely what they copied it from:
Site: Steed Speed
Video for installation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fkMU...eature=channel
Here it is in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVc9m...eature=channel
Seems like the idea works pretty well and they vent at idle. I'm going to be doing a charged side MAF so that's not really an issue. The other BOV's I'm looking at are the Vortech Mondo's, Synapse, and the Tial style ones. The flutter I hear from most other BOV's on videos worries me (surge/slip of SC'er), the ones I listed don't act as though they have this issue.
Any insight or recommended BOV's from the boosted crew?
Here's likely what they copied it from:
Site: Steed Speed
Video for installation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fkMU...eature=channel
Here it is in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVc9m...eature=channel
Seems like the idea works pretty well and they vent at idle. I'm going to be doing a charged side MAF so that's not really an issue. The other BOV's I'm looking at are the Vortech Mondo's, Synapse, and the Tial style ones. The flutter I hear from most other BOV's on videos worries me (surge/slip of SC'er), the ones I listed don't act as though they have this issue.
Any insight or recommended BOV's from the boosted crew?
Last edited by Mad-MAX_SE; 01-25-2010 at 09:38 AM. Reason: embedded videos didn't work...
#2
I bought the Synapse Synchronic with the HKS SSQ Flange and the anti-stall valve kit. I read it was the best one, no leaks, and no surge. This is only what l read, still winter in Canada, supercharger still in box for a for a few more months.
Last edited by Tmars; 01-25-2010 at 09:22 AM.
#5
Didnt buy my kit new, but from what I remember the kit came with a Bosch recirc. valve.
Ive run the Tial, and wouldnt recommend it. It sounded nice but wasnt really adjustable. Im now running the Vortech Mondo, its ok. I think its also overkill for how much boost Im making. I would think the Vortech Race would be more ideal.The Blitz was a great BOV, however i was told that it wasnt to good for more then 10psi so I ditched it. I never ran it with the 2.87 pulley so I cant tell you if it was ok or not with that boost level.
#6
I think, though it's pricey, I'm going to go with the Synapse BOV. They have an anti-stall fitting for MAF cars that keeps unfiltered air from getting in the system (good for piece of mind).
Here's the BOV:
http://www.phantasmusa.com/synapsesb001a.html
Anti-stall fitting:
http://www.phantasmusa.com/synapsesb0015a.html
Also figured out my Fuel system stuff looking around for BOV's of all things. Cost wise, it's about the same as an Aeromotive FPR and a Vortech FMU.
This is lengthy, but here's what it is (taken from Phantasm's website):
You boosted guys, or guys looking to boost migth want to keep this thing in mind.
Here's the BOV:
http://www.phantasmusa.com/synapsesb001a.html
Anti-stall fitting:
http://www.phantasmusa.com/synapsesb0015a.html
Also figured out my Fuel system stuff looking around for BOV's of all things. Cost wise, it's about the same as an Aeromotive FPR and a Vortech FMU.
This is lengthy, but here's what it is (taken from Phantasm's website):
The Synapse Synchronic FPR was designed to bring you all of the features and adjustability of every FPR on the market in the smallest footprint you will find. The patented technology (Patent 6,863,260) that drives Synchronic FPR is the fundamental redesign of the inescapable actuator. What this technology allows us to do is bring you an FPR that is 1/7th the size of any FMU on the market. But this is more than an FMU, it can be used as a true 1:1 FPR that you can use to fine tune flow in your performance race engine.
Product Features:
• Direct bolt-on to the fuel rail
• Absolutely no additional fuel lines to re-work from stock
• Guaranteed 1:1 off-boost ratio for a proper air/fuel ratio at idle
• Infinitely adjustable from 1:1 to 12:1 boost indexed fuel pressure ratio
• Interchangeable adapters for various applications
• Adjustable static fuel pressure
• Maintenance of fuel rail pressure with engine off for immediate ignition on the next cycle (same as stock)
• Interchangeable bypass orifice diameters to accommodate high flow fuel pumps
• Absolutely no diaphragms to fail, easily rebuildable with new seals
• Tough enough for direct application of Nitrous
• Patent 6,863,260
• The First And Last Fuel Pressure Regulator You Will Ever Buy!
Performance Benefits:
Synapse Synchronic technology has eliminated the diaphragm, by using a piston contacted with an axial contact, engineered, aerospace, elastomeric seal. This seal is designed to withstand 800 psi of burst pressure and resist gasoline and methanol. Because there is not diaphragm, noise in the fuel rail is significantly reduced, allowing the fuel injector to precisely deliver the necessary fuel. A diaphragm has to deflect before actuating the valve that controls the flow of fuel. This results in overshoot and hysteresis from the target fuel pressure. Diaphragms are also mainly flat elastomer sheets with large surface areas. Accordingly, the performance of the diaphragm is significantly impacted by temperature, components of the fuel, durometer of the diaphragm, etc.
We’ve eliminated these problems by linearizing the response of the FPR via friction. Now, when pressure requires the piston to actuate, there is not diaphragm that has to deflect before acting upon it. Think of this like having a baloon between you and an object you are trying to push along the floor. Depending on how much the baloon is inflated, how thick the rubber is and how hot the room is will determine how much of your effort goes towards moving the object, versus simply just crushing the baloon. The effect is, ultimately, how long it takes before the object moves when you push on it through a baloon. That is why we eliminated the use of a diaphragm.
Product Features:
• Direct bolt-on to the fuel rail
• Absolutely no additional fuel lines to re-work from stock
• Guaranteed 1:1 off-boost ratio for a proper air/fuel ratio at idle
• Infinitely adjustable from 1:1 to 12:1 boost indexed fuel pressure ratio
• Interchangeable adapters for various applications
• Adjustable static fuel pressure
• Maintenance of fuel rail pressure with engine off for immediate ignition on the next cycle (same as stock)
• Interchangeable bypass orifice diameters to accommodate high flow fuel pumps
• Absolutely no diaphragms to fail, easily rebuildable with new seals
• Tough enough for direct application of Nitrous
• Patent 6,863,260
• The First And Last Fuel Pressure Regulator You Will Ever Buy!
Performance Benefits:
Synapse Synchronic technology has eliminated the diaphragm, by using a piston contacted with an axial contact, engineered, aerospace, elastomeric seal. This seal is designed to withstand 800 psi of burst pressure and resist gasoline and methanol. Because there is not diaphragm, noise in the fuel rail is significantly reduced, allowing the fuel injector to precisely deliver the necessary fuel. A diaphragm has to deflect before actuating the valve that controls the flow of fuel. This results in overshoot and hysteresis from the target fuel pressure. Diaphragms are also mainly flat elastomer sheets with large surface areas. Accordingly, the performance of the diaphragm is significantly impacted by temperature, components of the fuel, durometer of the diaphragm, etc.
We’ve eliminated these problems by linearizing the response of the FPR via friction. Now, when pressure requires the piston to actuate, there is not diaphragm that has to deflect before acting upon it. Think of this like having a baloon between you and an object you are trying to push along the floor. Depending on how much the baloon is inflated, how thick the rubber is and how hot the room is will determine how much of your effort goes towards moving the object, versus simply just crushing the baloon. The effect is, ultimately, how long it takes before the object moves when you push on it through a baloon. That is why we eliminated the use of a diaphragm.
#7
I think, though it's pricey, I'm going to go with the Synapse BOV. They have an anti-stall fitting for MAF cars that keeps unfiltered air from getting in the system (good for piece of mind).
Here's the BOV:
http://www.phantasmusa.com/synapsesb001a.html
Anti-stall fitting:
http://www.phantasmusa.com/synapsesb0015a.html
Also figured out my Fuel system stuff looking around for BOV's of all things. Cost wise, it's about the same as an Aeromotive FPR and a Vortech FMU.
This is lengthy, but here's what it is (taken from Phantasm's website):
You boosted guys, or guys looking to boost migth want to keep this thing in mind.
Here's the BOV:
http://www.phantasmusa.com/synapsesb001a.html
Anti-stall fitting:
http://www.phantasmusa.com/synapsesb0015a.html
Also figured out my Fuel system stuff looking around for BOV's of all things. Cost wise, it's about the same as an Aeromotive FPR and a Vortech FMU.
This is lengthy, but here's what it is (taken from Phantasm's website):
You boosted guys, or guys looking to boost migth want to keep this thing in mind.
#8
Didnt buy my kit new, but from what I remember the kit came with a Bosch recirc. valve.
Ive run the Tial, and wouldnt recommend it. It sounded nice but wasnt really adjustable. Im now running the Vortech Mondo, its ok. I think its also overkill for how much boost Im making. I would think the Vortech Race would be more ideal.The Blitz was a great BOV, however i was told that it wasnt to good for more then 10psi so I ditched it. I never ran it with the 2.87 pulley so I cant tell you if it was ok or not with that boost level.
Ive run the Tial, and wouldnt recommend it. It sounded nice but wasnt really adjustable. Im now running the Vortech Mondo, its ok. I think its also overkill for how much boost Im making. I would think the Vortech Race would be more ideal.The Blitz was a great BOV, however i was told that it wasnt to good for more then 10psi so I ditched it. I never ran it with the 2.87 pulley so I cant tell you if it was ok or not with that boost level.
Last edited by brasso; 01-25-2010 at 10:04 PM.
#9
What kind of flange is on the Stillen piping? I was able to get a 4th gen charge pipe setup (score), it's just not here yet. I wanted to get a hold of a generic BOV till the end of the month when I can get the synapse unit. I might just hold off on the install till next month, but I still need to know what kind of flange I need for the Synapse unit.
Edit: Searched and it's a Greddy "RS" style flange
Edit: Searched and it's a Greddy "RS" style flange
Last edited by Mad-MAX_SE; 01-31-2010 at 08:35 PM.
#10
I know it's a uber old bump. Did you end up using the Synapse one?
I bought Crusher's Synapse unit. You don't need the anti stall fitting. The anti stall fitting is only needed on units that have the BOV behind the MAF. The way Stillen designed the SC kit (and pretty much every kit) vents before the maf.
The anti stall fitting will actually hurt the SC set up by introducing compressor by blocking the air from venting when idling.
I believe stock the unit is supposed to vent and low vacuum and no boost and as soon you hit the throttle it closes up.
It works just like the bosch etc diverter valves except it's actually closing once you apply the throttle.
What I'm wondering about is whether at low throttle idle it will create too much boost for it to close. I guess we'll find out!
I bought Crusher's Synapse unit. You don't need the anti stall fitting. The anti stall fitting is only needed on units that have the BOV behind the MAF. The way Stillen designed the SC kit (and pretty much every kit) vents before the maf.
The anti stall fitting will actually hurt the SC set up by introducing compressor by blocking the air from venting when idling.
I believe stock the unit is supposed to vent and low vacuum and no boost and as soon you hit the throttle it closes up.
It works just like the bosch etc diverter valves except it's actually closing once you apply the throttle.
What I'm wondering about is whether at low throttle idle it will create too much boost for it to close. I guess we'll find out!
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