hi all, i am in a market of getting a new set of tires for my mom's 00 TL,
i was a fan of Falken, but a friend of mine tells me that Bridgestone Potenza G009 has deeper thread, and it will last way longer then ZE-512, and they preform pretty similar on dry, wet and snow traction. he said for $20 CDN more on each tire, Bridgestone Potenza G009 should be the way to go... but i am so in love with the Falkens, just wondering what you guys think, and anybody had try that Bridgestone? thanx for your time~

 

I had the G009s. Liked them in the rain, hated them in the dry and in snow. The Falkens are much better. Their only disadvantage is that they start getting noisy and losing their grip significantly after 10k-15k miles, but considering how good they are for the price, it seems worth it.

Why not Toyo Proxes 4s? Those would be better than either of the above tires...

 

The life of those Falkens are kind of short, you can maybe squeeze 25k out of them. I have them and dislike the traction in the snow, however dry traction is great. I got a great deal on them that I couldn't pass up!!

 

only 25k? about 40000kms? i thought they promise 60000km warrentee which should be 35k~

 

they? whose they?

 

I love the G009 tires!!! They handle in any weather and they good for about 40,000 miles if u rotate them. I have them on the stock 16'' for the '98 I30t. I am getting a set of 18'' and I wished G009 had the size (235/40/18). The falkens cannot compare to the G009, period.

 

i mean the ZE-512

 

In what way? They grip better in the dry and work 10 times better in the snow...

 

why not get the Toyo Proxes TPT. 65,000 mile warranty.

 

lala, why are you so "in love with the Falkens? Looks??? Fukc the Falkens. They were designed for people who are 72, not 22.

 

I'm also considering the 009's for my maxima.

I have had nothing but poor experiences with Falken. They wear out fast and the rubber seems to harden drastically after a couple seasons here. If you buy them in the summer from the winter on the tires are rock solid with virtually no grip. This is fairly common given our temperature extremes here on a high performance tire but you typically get at least to your second winter season on a good set of tires before experiencing that. However with falkens without fail it seems to happen within about 6 months time or whenever you get your first real cold spell.

Also this is the first thread that I've seen someone criticize the traction of the 009's. Not really saying the guy is wrong, but everything I've read says its a fantastic all season that provides great grip and maintains itself verywell.

 

Well, I had Continental ContiExtremeContacts before I had the Bridgestones, so maybe that tainted my experience. All I know is that after I made the change, I got better rain traction but understeered all over the place in the dry and could hardly make it up hills in the snow. Even the ride was worse.

They're clearly good tires, and definitely better than most all-seasons. Plus, like almost all Bridgestones, they are super durable. But you can definitely do much better for the money (unless all you do with your car is drive over potholes in the rain).

 

I'm all about a stiff/firm ride that typically means the tire will respond quicker to steering inputs. THis is not always the case but its typical...as for driving through potholes...I like in Oklahoma...our roads are CRAP

 

Agreed. Stiff sidewalls are good. I definitely noticed quicker steering response with the G009s as well. The only problem was that that response only meant anything for the first fraction of a second, or the first couple of degrees of steering. From there, at anything above moderate speeds, it was nothing but understeer.

Okay then. Bridgestone it is.

 

is the falkens really that crap?geeze... i was told that falkens are good stuff...>< guess they lied...

 

Nobody lied. The Falkens really are not that crap. They're just cheap, and you always have to give something up when you're buying something cheap. In this case, you give up a lot of performance in the second half of their lifespan. Not that big a deal in this case since they grip better to begin with and, for about the cost of one set of G009s, you can get yourself a set of Falkens and still have enough money to swap them out for a fresh set when their performance starts to deteriorate.








BTW, Toyo Proxes 4s will kick the sorry crap out of both the Falkens AND the G009s. I'm really only keeping this up for the sake of argument.

 

This is true, if you plan on driving the car hard and wearing the tires out fairly quick then falkens are a good tire. They do not do well as I mentioned earlier after periods of wide temperature change. But if you're going to have them 12 months or so then get them. I used a couple pairs to autoX in for awhile. I did this because they're cheap and were even cheaper 3 years ago. They do get greasy though when they get hot so be if you plan to race it just be ready for that.

 

How is the treadlife on the toyos? I've heard a lot of people like them, but if they wear out too quickly that puts them out of my reach.

 

My suspension geometry is so-so due to my 2.4" drop, and I chirp out of traffic lights and squeal around corners every damn day. With that kind of abuse, I'll probably get ~20k out of mine.

If you're not lowered like that and drive like a relatively normal person, they'll probably do around 25k to 30k for you.

 

Pirelli P Zero Nero M+S is a good tire.

 

If you're willing to pay almost twice as much as the Falkens...

 

Its about 4 bucks more on tire rack than the bridgestone. 131 is what it was listed at three days ago.

 

Anyway, got the falkens... it's only $93 CDN, compare to $130CDN with 009s, i still got the falkens... compares to the MX4 my TL used to have, Falken looks too soft.... the tire is soft, so the grip is very good, but it looks like it will ware out easily...

but Thread on MX4 is only 400, but on that Falken is 420, Mechillen last me 72000 km, with that Falken's 420 Thread number, it should last me another 60000km without a problem. i think that car will be sold by then

 

I mean the side wall is too soft...

 

same problem....those Falken 512s have a very short lifespan

 

Dream on...

 

Ummm...A treadwear rating of 400 typically lasts 35 to 45k miles.

 

I'll be putting the 009's on on Monday and then I'm getting the Tokiko Illumina Kit installed Tuesday. I can't wait!