5th gen prelude vs 4th max
Originally Posted by 1chewabacha1
All engines are not created equally. For reasons unknown one engine may pull much stronger than another which was built to the same spec. I'm sure everyone can agree on this.
Yes, the ludes are pretty fast and the 5 spds are capable of mid to high 14's bone stock. I've seen it with my own eyes; a H23 powered (none VTEC) lude run a 14.7 bone stock. However, I have also seen a VQ30 max run the same time dead stock.
With equally good drivers the car that has a better running motor would be victorious.
I can say however that I've raced a good 14-15 NA preludes in MN w/ the basic bolt ons, before getting the MEVI, and have only been beaten twice by two ludes with extensive (what i consider to be extensive: all the bolt ons you can imagine, valvetrain upgrades, stg 2 cams, ecu, and a decent job of tuning on the dyno) mods. These 2 ludes are running in the high 13's and low 14's though.
So to say that a 4th gen auto or manual could not be able to keep up with a properly driven prelude is an absolute outrage and I CHALLENGE YOU (TO A MORTAL KOMBAT!) to prove that statement. Hit me up anytime if you've got a stock prelude that would like to have a friendly race.
Yes, the ludes are pretty fast and the 5 spds are capable of mid to high 14's bone stock. I've seen it with my own eyes; a H23 powered (none VTEC) lude run a 14.7 bone stock. However, I have also seen a VQ30 max run the same time dead stock.
With equally good drivers the car that has a better running motor would be victorious.
I can say however that I've raced a good 14-15 NA preludes in MN w/ the basic bolt ons, before getting the MEVI, and have only been beaten twice by two ludes with extensive (what i consider to be extensive: all the bolt ons you can imagine, valvetrain upgrades, stg 2 cams, ecu, and a decent job of tuning on the dyno) mods. These 2 ludes are running in the high 13's and low 14's though.
So to say that a 4th gen auto or manual could not be able to keep up with a properly driven prelude is an absolute outrage and I CHALLENGE YOU (TO A MORTAL KOMBAT!) to prove that statement. Hit me up anytime if you've got a stock prelude that would like to have a friendly race.
Originally Posted by eckohb
lol, he said he was stick, and he said he new how to drive, so I'm not too worried about that. Dont try to powershift so hard you miss a gear, then you'll look like an idiot. If its not too bad of a mis-shift, you should still be able to pull back on him, depending on the distance your racing. Go home happy with the win. Ask if he wants to put slips on the line, and then take his car and ebay it for a turbo kit
Who's a stick? The original poster and his friend are both autos
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the 93 SRV Lude would kill the newer 97+ Ludes. I see the 97+ running about 15.5's stock around here and the 93's flirting with 14's. My 92 Civic Si (haha) with a CAI ran 15.8 so it should give an auto MAX/LUDE a good run. I hope to see some 14's in my bone stock 96 SE this weekend.
Originally Posted by Nealoc187
An auto 4th or 5th gen (3.0) is going to to get pulled by a 92-96 VTEC or a 97+ Prelude (all 97+ Preludes are H22A VTEC engines, and 92-96 VTEC preludes are H22A VTEC as well). Both preludes are capable of 14s stock, something not possible in an auto 4th or 5th gen.
You are dead wrong about a 5spd max however. The 5spd max can, will, and does keep up, and more often than not, shows the prelude it's taillights.
I'd go up against any stock prelude out there with anyone driving it and not bat an eyelash while driving my bone stock almost 200k mile winter beater 1995 5speed max and guarantee a win assuming I don't mess up. If I get a clean run in my max the prelude driver can do whatever he wants - he's going to lose until I hit my governor at 116mph lol.
You are dead wrong about a 5spd max however. The 5spd max can, will, and does keep up, and more often than not, shows the prelude it's taillights.
I'd go up against any stock prelude out there with anyone driving it and not bat an eyelash while driving my bone stock almost 200k mile winter beater 1995 5speed max and guarantee a win assuming I don't mess up. If I get a clean run in my max the prelude driver can do whatever he wants - he's going to lose until I hit my governor at 116mph lol.
After seeing stats from honda-acura.net and superhonda.com it seems that they run very similar times to maxima, no mention of a 14.5-6 bone stock preludes though. The general consensus seems to think that they are only about as fast as a stock gsr.
Originally Posted by ibag8rfan
The best time for a bone stock GS-R I have seen is 14.8, and preludes are generally faster. Check out honda-tech.
Originally Posted by ibag8rfan
Not really a guarantee you will win being that your maxima is probably the ONLY 4th gen to ever run a 14.5 bone stock, if thats even true. There have been plenty of 92-96 preludes running 14.5-6's.
Originally Posted by ibag8rfan
The best time for a bone stock GS-R I have seen is 14.8, and preludes are generally faster. Check out honda-tech.
When people think that 14.9 with just an intake is amazing. Im not quite sure of a 14.8 stock time. From reading that and other treads, they run low 15's stock at best
Originally Posted by 1chewabacha1
I beg to differ. The GSR's are gennerally faster. Think about it. Close to the same Horsepower..... just a little less torque.... and weighs much less..... Even the honda-tech forums show the GSR's to have more advantage.
Originally Posted by wunfstmax
http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/sh...ight=stock+gsr
When people think that 14.9 with just an intake is amazing. Im not quite sure of a 14.8 stock time. From reading that and other treads, they run low 15's stock at best
When people think that 14.9 with just an intake is amazing. Im not quite sure of a 14.8 stock time. From reading that and other treads, they run low 15's stock at best
Originally Posted by Nealoc187
An auto 4th or 5th gen (3.0) is going to to get pulled by a 92-96 VTEC or a 97+ Prelude (all 97+ Preludes are H22A VTEC engines, and 92-96 VTEC preludes are H22A VTEC as well). Both preludes are capable of 14s stock, something not possible in an auto 4th or 5th gen.
You are dead wrong about a 5spd max however. The 5spd max can, will, and does keep up, and more often than not, shows the prelude it's taillights.
I'd go up against any stock prelude out there with anyone driving it and not bat an eyelash while driving my bone stock almost 200k mile winter beater 1995 5speed max and guarantee a win assuming I don't mess up. If I get a clean run in my max the prelude driver can do whatever he wants - he's going to lose until I hit my governor at 116mph lol.
You are dead wrong about a 5spd max however. The 5spd max can, will, and does keep up, and more often than not, shows the prelude it's taillights.
I'd go up against any stock prelude out there with anyone driving it and not bat an eyelash while driving my bone stock almost 200k mile winter beater 1995 5speed max and guarantee a win assuming I don't mess up. If I get a clean run in my max the prelude driver can do whatever he wants - he's going to lose until I hit my governor at 116mph lol.
Preludes suck. They look and should be RWD.
The numbers, although in my opinion aren't really that close, are even more deceiving. H22's just feel way stronger than a b18c. Although the redline is lower it is no challenge keeping a prelude in vtec when shifting.
I went to the track Saturday and by chance there were TWO basically stock 97+ 5-speed Preludes. One dialed in at 15.40 and the other at 15.2x . The first had intake only (stock wheels and tires) and the other had intake + ricer exhaust with 17 inch rims (don't remember what -- black with polished lip). With hood up, I didn't notice a header on either, but I could be wrong there. Most people dial in pretty close to their fastest run, so I am going to assume neither car was going down into the 14s very often. I don't know the drivers, either, so maybe they just sucked...
I ran 14.85 (again), so I know the track was running pretty consistent from the last time I was there in June.
I ran 14.85 (again), so I know the track was running pretty consistent from the last time I was there in June.
Originally Posted by ibag8rfan
Close to the same horsepower? 195 and 160 tq in the lude vs 170hp and i think 140 tq in the integra. The weight difference between a 4th gen lude and a GS-R isn't enough to make up for 25hp and 20 ft lbs
Yes those horsepower ratings are accurate. However you forget to factor in the fact that the Teg is geared more aggressively. 3rd gear is the makes the difference between the teg and the lude. And the wieght (actual, not gross) difference is close to 500 lbs. Think about that, it's like having 2 fat passengers.....
Sure the lude feels faster but that's a contribution from the torque. Take for instance a stock maxima, doesn't it feel faster than a prelude? The general answer would be yes... why? 205 tq that's why. Doesn't mean it'll always neccessarily be faster than the lude though.
If you wanna talk about numbers. Think about the lude and max numbers. Same Horsepower generally around 190 right? TQ, compare 160 to 205. Sure the max weighs 3000-3100 lbs but what does a lude weigh? 2900 right? Exactly.
Originally Posted by 1chewabacha1
Yes those horsepower ratings are accurate. However you forget to factor in the fact that the Teg is geared more aggressively. 3rd gear is the makes the difference between the teg and the lude. And the wieght (actual, not gross) difference is close to 500 lbs. Think about that, it's like having 2 fat passengers.....
Sure the lude feels faster but that's a contribution from the torque. Take for instance a stock maxima, doesn't it feel faster than a prelude? The general answer would be yes... why? 205 tq that's why. Doesn't mean it'll always neccessarily be faster than the lude though.
If you wanna talk about numbers. Think about the lude and max numbers. Same Horsepower generally around 190 right? TQ, compare 160 to 205. Sure the max weighs 3000-3100 lbs but what does a lude weigh? 2900 right? Exactly.
Sure the lude feels faster but that's a contribution from the torque. Take for instance a stock maxima, doesn't it feel faster than a prelude? The general answer would be yes... why? 205 tq that's why. Doesn't mean it'll always neccessarily be faster than the lude though.
If you wanna talk about numbers. Think about the lude and max numbers. Same Horsepower generally around 190 right? TQ, compare 160 to 205. Sure the max weighs 3000-3100 lbs but what does a lude weigh? 2900 right? Exactly.
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Originally Posted by st0rm82
anyone knows the weight of a fully equipped SE ? around 3100lbs maybe?
No way, how much do you guys think options weigh lol. Bose stereo is not made of lead guys... Lots of guys have posted their fully optioned SEs under 3000lbs.
Mine came to 3023lbs, fully optioned SE 5speed with full fluids and spare. Im sure with a 1/4tank I was below 3000lbs for track duty.
Also, I would have thought the peaky TQ curve of the Prelude would make it feel faster...
Also, I would have thought the peaky TQ curve of the Prelude would make it feel faster...
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both my good friends have preludes and they feel faster but in reality my 97 5spd beat his 01 SH without too much trobule. What you forget is that the maxima is designed as a sedan first and the prelude is designed as a sports car first, with this you get better handling and a sportier feel from it.
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Originally Posted by Nealoc187
No way, how much do you guys think options weigh lol. Bose stereo is not made of lead guys... Lots of guys have posted their fully optioned SEs under 3000lbs.
from empty GXE to fully SE
15in -**> 16in wheels
cloth -> leather, heated + 2 side air bags
heated mirrors
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bose
spoiler
fogs
i guess 100lbs then so around 3000lbs?
I had a 97 type sh lude (5 speed 5th gen H22A4 Vtec) with aem cai, thermal exhaust, STS, Fidanza flywheel, exedy stage 2 clutch that ran a 14.7 in the florida summer with sh*tty tires and springs. The type sh is also known to be a bit heavier. I raced a 97 max with intake and exhaust (5 speed) without the clutch/flywheel and beat him but it wasn't till 3rd gear that I pulled real hard on him. I raced alot on the street, not the smartest thing in the world with cops around here but so many people would rev at me. I beat a modded rsx type-s, 95 auto nutstang among others but also lost my fair share of times. 
I would beat my friends gsr teggy all the time (5 speed) with intake and exhaust. As far as numbers are concerned they should be close but when motor trend put the type r integra against the sh lude (type r is a good deal lighter than the gsr with more power) it was close although the lude lost. A coworker of mine has 4th gen lude with a jdm h22 in it with i/h/e and ran a 13.6! Well this is getting long if you have any q's for hondas pm me.
I would beat my friends gsr teggy all the time (5 speed) with intake and exhaust. As far as numbers are concerned they should be close but when motor trend put the type r integra against the sh lude (type r is a good deal lighter than the gsr with more power) it was close although the lude lost. A coworker of mine has 4th gen lude with a jdm h22 in it with i/h/e and ran a 13.6! Well this is getting long if you have any q's for hondas pm me.
Originally Posted by GreenVQ30
friend has a civic Si(canadian SiR) 1.6 DOCH VTEC says he can beat me. i got a 96 maxima se 5spd,bone stock. i don't think he has a chance. what do u guys think
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05 Max Vs 05 Accord V6
Sup fellaz ,
I have an 05 maxima se auto, and my friend just bought an 05 accord coupe v6 auto. Both cars are stock, except I took out the resonator and replaced with a straight pipe and have a K&N filter in it so I dont think my mods do anything really.
Who do you think would come out the winner, also if I didnt do the 2 small things I did would that make a difference.
Thanks.
I have an 05 maxima se auto, and my friend just bought an 05 accord coupe v6 auto. Both cars are stock, except I took out the resonator and replaced with a straight pipe and have a K&N filter in it so I dont think my mods do anything really.
Who do you think would come out the winner, also if I didnt do the 2 small things I did would that make a difference.
Thanks.
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