10.851 @ 125.55 Plus a 1.58 60'
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Oh, and we had some "drifters" at one point too
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When I first started reading this, I thought no way in hell. No way is he running 10.8-10.9@124mph with just a 75 shot. Then I decided to do the math using C6 Z06 that weighs 3300lbs with driver and does low 11s @124mph with 415whp as the basis. Jime's Max weighs 2760lbs with him driving, he estimates his NA WHP at 260+ (probably closer to 270ish) and then he's got a 75 shot. Nitrous shot typically put down thier advertized HP number to the wheels plus torque is usually 20% or so higher than the advertized HP number. So basically Jime's Maxima could be pushing around 345whp and probably 350wtq. His effective power to weight could be in 8:1 range. A C6 Z06 has a power to weight of 7.9:1. Factor in the use of slicks, TC torque multiplication, tranny manipulation, and the Canadian air factor, and his 10.8@124mph sounds very believable. Believable for a FWD Maxima probably not in most people's eyes. Thank God he got videos.
Congrats Jime.
Congrats Jime.
I went 11.69. My car alone probably weighs around the same as his does with him in it. With my 250lbs, I am probably at 3020 lbs total weight. That difference is good for maybe 2-3 tenths. Then figure the 60 ft time, mine was a 1.83, his a 1.58. Thats 2.5 tenths right there. Add the two and that puts me at a very low 11 second pass. That is with a gutless, torqueless centrifugal supercharger. The torque from nitrous is always better for the track. I totally believe its possible for him to run what he did.
When I first started reading this, I thought no way in hell. No way is he running 10.8-10.9@124mph with just a 75 shot. Then I decided to do the math using C6 Z06 that weighs 3300lbs with driver and does low 11s @124mph with 415whp as the basis. Jime's Max weighs 2760lbs with him driving, he estimates his NA WHP at 260+ (probably closer to 270ish) and then he's got a 75 shot. Nitrous shot typically put down thier advertized HP number to the wheels plus torque is usually 20% or so higher than the advertized HP number. So basically Jime's Maxima could be pushing around 345whp and probably 350wtq. His effective power to weight could be in 8:1 range. A C6 Z06 has a power to weight of 7.9:1. Factor in the use of slicks, TC torque multiplication, tranny manipulation, and the Canadian air factor, and his 10.8@124mph sounds very believable. Believable for a FWD Maxima probably not in most people's eyes. Thank God he got videos.
Congrats Jime.
Congrats Jime.
Now that I consider the power to weight ratios of Jim's car and a C6 Z06, it starts to make sense. Both have a roughly 7.9:1 ratio, and with Z06's breaking into the 10s with slicks, I guess it makes a little more sense
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From: Toronto
Well let me be the first who was there (he is my dad obviously) to say that it was really only a 75 shot the first time.
We were just as surprised because we loaded the dual stage system with the jetting for 75hp out of teh bucket and 125hp in the second stage. The first pass was only the first stage just to see how it went, then the second run was to put them together and see how it would go. The guy screaming O MY GOD! in the 10.98 video is me. That's how surprised I was it went 10's with only a 75shot.
We expected the first pass to be low 11's and second to be high 10's.. Well we basically got that, just instead of low 11's it was 10.98 (close enough) and 10.85 with the second stage only on part of the time.
Spraying nitrous right out of the bucket in 1st gear is tough on trannys and tires. If you listen to the 10.98 video you will not hear any additional nitrous come on, and you can't spray 200hp out of the hole it would just melt the tires. There really isn't anything else to this story, it's just fast. There are no secret mods or anything, dad is a real minimalist on his car, nothing there that is not needed.
What most people don't realize, what sets Jime appart from guys who run their cars a few times a year is time at the track and time tuning.
Jime has been to the track EVERY weekend this year, I would say the car gets 500-600 passes a year. Plus remember he's Retired. THat means no day job, which means all day working on the car. So think about your car this way... If you spent months and months doing nothing but perfecting your car in every way, running it at the track every weekend getting it perfectly setup, then every week tweaking it then returning the the track the next weekend to run again... You would be running your fastest time as well.
What is not told in this story is 5-8 hrs a day of working on the car, every weekend at the track running the car and perfecting it ALL YEAR LONG leading upto this run. You just see the run ,wonder how did he run that? Well it's all the prep and track time that makes that happen. It's like Tiger Woods. He spends all day golfing every day of the week, he is always practicing. He is getting coached and trained 5 days a week. Then on the weekends he plays a major and wins. Wow he is good. Well is the hundreds of hours of practice before we see him on TV that makes the difference. This is the same thing.
Dad told me about the HP calculator saying he could go 10s, I honestly told him that it wasn't going to happen. Those things assume a perfect setup, alignment, traction etc... I figured we would run 11.2 or so at the best. I really did tell him 10s were a pretty far stretch. Hence the reason for the "O MY GOD" scream in the video.
Quit your day job, spend all the time you have working on your car for an entire year, then tell us at the end how fast you went. I'll bet some people will not believe you either.
We were just as surprised because we loaded the dual stage system with the jetting for 75hp out of teh bucket and 125hp in the second stage. The first pass was only the first stage just to see how it went, then the second run was to put them together and see how it would go. The guy screaming O MY GOD! in the 10.98 video is me. That's how surprised I was it went 10's with only a 75shot.
We expected the first pass to be low 11's and second to be high 10's.. Well we basically got that, just instead of low 11's it was 10.98 (close enough) and 10.85 with the second stage only on part of the time.
Spraying nitrous right out of the bucket in 1st gear is tough on trannys and tires. If you listen to the 10.98 video you will not hear any additional nitrous come on, and you can't spray 200hp out of the hole it would just melt the tires. There really isn't anything else to this story, it's just fast. There are no secret mods or anything, dad is a real minimalist on his car, nothing there that is not needed.
What most people don't realize, what sets Jime appart from guys who run their cars a few times a year is time at the track and time tuning.
Jime has been to the track EVERY weekend this year, I would say the car gets 500-600 passes a year. Plus remember he's Retired. THat means no day job, which means all day working on the car. So think about your car this way... If you spent months and months doing nothing but perfecting your car in every way, running it at the track every weekend getting it perfectly setup, then every week tweaking it then returning the the track the next weekend to run again... You would be running your fastest time as well.
What is not told in this story is 5-8 hrs a day of working on the car, every weekend at the track running the car and perfecting it ALL YEAR LONG leading upto this run. You just see the run ,wonder how did he run that? Well it's all the prep and track time that makes that happen. It's like Tiger Woods. He spends all day golfing every day of the week, he is always practicing. He is getting coached and trained 5 days a week. Then on the weekends he plays a major and wins. Wow he is good. Well is the hundreds of hours of practice before we see him on TV that makes the difference. This is the same thing.
Dad told me about the HP calculator saying he could go 10s, I honestly told him that it wasn't going to happen. Those things assume a perfect setup, alignment, traction etc... I figured we would run 11.2 or so at the best. I really did tell him 10s were a pretty far stretch. Hence the reason for the "O MY GOD" scream in the video.
Quit your day job, spend all the time you have working on your car for an entire year, then tell us at the end how fast you went. I'll bet some people will not believe you either.
Last edited by DSMJim; Oct 15, 2008 at 12:45 PM.
Not DAVEB the parts guy
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There is something about that Canadian air. You can't deny it. Either the Canadian 1/4 mile is shorter or the air is dense 
When I read about a super quick ET and is not the norm for the car/mods, I instantly think to myself:E-town?
Moroso (fall/winter only)?
HRP?
Toronto?
Steele?
Maryland?
Rockingham?
Silver Dollar?
Then I look at the slip. I'd say 90% of the time I'm right. I've witnessed it with my own cars. Some tracks are just quicker than others for no real reason. I've raced my 94 Z28 down at HRP. It was .3 seconds quicker and 2mph faster in much hotter air than it ran in cold air in Kansas City. Hell, before KCIR was refurbished in 2001, the left lane was ALWAYS .3 seconds slower though the MPH was spot on with the right lane. When the track was redone, the lane ETs were equalized. Explain that one.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Jim when I say this. He works hard on his cars, races a lot, and understands the science of drag racing. It just turns out that the tracks he races at are also some of the quickest you can race at. It's a win win for him.
Last edited by Dave B; Oct 15, 2008 at 02:33 PM.
My Son is a little to exuberant in his statements. He lives 40 miles away and doesn't actually see what I do on a daily basis. Yes I do have lots of time on my hands but I don't spend it trying to figure out how to go faster. It also seems to take me 3 times as long to do anything after my accident. Trying to solder small wires and working with small bolts and screws is unbelievably frustrating and time consuming.
My focus is consistency vs fastest et or mph. Most of my racing is bracket, index or heads up fixed time. So I don't spend my time tweaking the engine, that is pretty much fixed, my time is spent tweaking the suspension and launch. So last weekend was out in left field for me, it has been 3 years since I have run nitrous and the first with this car/engine setup. I had no idea what to expect and just a calculator to predict what I might run.
When I launched with a 75 shot fixed jet it totally blew me away with the G Force that came with it, especially with the M/T 22x8x15's. I thought I would burn right through 1st gear into 2nd.
Also Dave, Cayuga is not noted as being a quick ET track, St Thomas has that distinction but its an hour further for me so I prefer to say closer to home. AAA also plays into the factor because if I break St Thomas is over the distance they will tow.
Regardless I run at over 5 or 6 tracks during the season and I really can't say that one is quicker than the other with my car.
There is an old saying that goes like this "the harder I work the luckier I get" and it seems to work.
My focus is consistency vs fastest et or mph. Most of my racing is bracket, index or heads up fixed time. So I don't spend my time tweaking the engine, that is pretty much fixed, my time is spent tweaking the suspension and launch. So last weekend was out in left field for me, it has been 3 years since I have run nitrous and the first with this car/engine setup. I had no idea what to expect and just a calculator to predict what I might run.
When I launched with a 75 shot fixed jet it totally blew me away with the G Force that came with it, especially with the M/T 22x8x15's. I thought I would burn right through 1st gear into 2nd.
Also Dave, Cayuga is not noted as being a quick ET track, St Thomas has that distinction but its an hour further for me so I prefer to say closer to home. AAA also plays into the factor because if I break St Thomas is over the distance they will tow.
Regardless I run at over 5 or 6 tracks during the season and I really can't say that one is quicker than the other with my car.
There is an old saying that goes like this "the harder I work the luckier I get" and it seems to work.
Last edited by Jime; Oct 17, 2008 at 01:10 PM.
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AQwesome work!
Cayuga's prep can be pretty damm good sometimes... I know that in my 94 Roadmaster, with crappy Yokohanma 235/70/15 all seasons, as long as I get some heat in them, I will NOT spin them off the line and get a low 2.2 60 foot. The car is ~4300lbs, with a 2.53 open rear diff and a ~1300rpm stall TC. On the street, I have to peddle it off the line, but at the track, I just brake torque it and floor it once I release the brakes.
Again, awesome work
Cayuga's prep can be pretty damm good sometimes... I know that in my 94 Roadmaster, with crappy Yokohanma 235/70/15 all seasons, as long as I get some heat in them, I will NOT spin them off the line and get a low 2.2 60 foot. The car is ~4300lbs, with a 2.53 open rear diff and a ~1300rpm stall TC. On the street, I have to peddle it off the line, but at the track, I just brake torque it and floor it once I release the brakes.
Again, awesome work
AQwesome work!
Cayuga's prep can be pretty damm good sometimes... I know that in my 94 Roadmaster, with crappy Yokohanma 235/70/15 all seasons, as long as I get some heat in them, I will NOT spin them off the line and get a low 2.2 60 foot. The car is ~4300lbs, with a 2.53 open rear diff and a ~1300rpm stall TC. On the street, I have to peddle it off the line, but at the track, I just brake torque it and floor it once I release the brakes.
Again, awesome work
Cayuga's prep can be pretty damm good sometimes... I know that in my 94 Roadmaster, with crappy Yokohanma 235/70/15 all seasons, as long as I get some heat in them, I will NOT spin them off the line and get a low 2.2 60 foot. The car is ~4300lbs, with a 2.53 open rear diff and a ~1300rpm stall TC. On the street, I have to peddle it off the line, but at the track, I just brake torque it and floor it once I release the brakes.
Again, awesome work
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Again, congrats on the run
Congrats Jim, I knew it would happen eventually and I figured you would be the one to crack it. Nice job and good luck next season going deeper in the 10's. Should be pretty close to the 130mph mark once you get that progressive controller at 100% for the full run as well. Awesome job!
Ok lets see, I paid $5000 for the car 3 years ago.
Engine $800
Headers $550
UTEC $500
Cams $500
V-Manage $400
Suprastick $350
Wheels $150
Slicks $300
Seats $80
Nitrous $400
Nitrous Cont $200
Fuel Pump $100
Lexan $65
Wideband $200
Total $10,000
I may have missed a couple of small items but thats all I can think of at the moment. Pretty cheap ride.
Engine $800
Headers $550
UTEC $500
Cams $500
V-Manage $400
Suprastick $350
Wheels $150
Slicks $300
Seats $80
Nitrous $400
Nitrous Cont $200
Fuel Pump $100
Lexan $65
Wideband $200
Total $10,000
I may have missed a couple of small items but thats all I can think of at the moment. Pretty cheap ride.