Dyno Comparison for a 3rd Gen VE30DE
11-17-2002, 07:00 PM
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Dyno Comparison for a 3rd Gen VE30DE
Okay, you 3rd Gen guys have convinced me to do one of my dyno comparions for the VE30DE vs the 4th Gen VQ. Don't want y'all to feel left out, and the 3rd Gen is the car that originally made me a car freak to begin with 
I have plenty of VQ30DE stock dyno's, so all I need is a good baseline VE30DE 5spd dyno. I have Lordrandall's from the dyno forum, but I'm told this was a lower than normal dyno?
I'm not looking for the best ever factory freak dyno because I try to keep the playing field as level as possible. So all I need is a dyno on a VE that best represents all of them (an average dyno, not a crappy one or a factory freak).
As soon as I can get this dyno I'll fire up Excel
I have plenty of VQ30DE stock dyno's, so all I need is a good baseline VE30DE 5spd dyno. I have Lordrandall's from the dyno forum, but I'm told this was a lower than normal dyno?
I'm not looking for the best ever factory freak dyno because I try to keep the playing field as level as possible. So all I need is a dyno on a VE that best represents all of them (an average dyno, not a crappy one or a factory freak).
As soon as I can get this dyno I'll fire up Excel
11-17-2002, 07:12 PM
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I tried a few Google searches but came up with nothing. The only thing I found was...
Evan's Maxima SE - Upgrades/Intake-Exhaust
http://www.rit.edu/~ehy0121/Upgrades/upgrademails.html
Unfortunately it's an EDU address and the guy probably graduated. You can checkout the cached content here, but there doesn't seem to be any dyno charts.
http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Evan's Maxima SE - Upgrades/Intake-Exhaust
http://www.rit.edu/~ehy0121/Upgrades/upgrademails.html
Unfortunately it's an EDU address and the guy probably graduated. You can checkout the cached content here, but there doesn't seem to be any dyno charts.
http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
11-17-2002, 08:20 PM
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Re: Dyno Comparison for a 3rd Gen VE30DE
Use Randy's dyno it is a bone stock VE 5spd dyno. His dyno is the same as other VQ 5spd stock dynos.
Originally posted by SteVTEC
Okay, you 3rd Gen guys have convinced me to do one of my dyno comparions for the VE30DE vs the 4th Gen VQ. Don't want y'all to feel left out, and the 3rd Gen is the car that originally made me a car freak to begin with
I have plenty of VQ30DE stock dyno's, so all I need is a good baseline VE30DE 5spd dyno. I have Lordrandall's from the dyno forum, but I'm told this was a lower than normal dyno?
I'm not looking for the best ever factory freak dyno because I try to keep the playing field as level as possible. So all I need is a dyno on a VE that best represents all of them (an average dyno, not a crappy one or a factory freak).
As soon as I can get this dyno I'll fire up Excel
Okay, you 3rd Gen guys have convinced me to do one of my dyno comparions for the VE30DE vs the 4th Gen VQ. Don't want y'all to feel left out, and the 3rd Gen is the car that originally made me a car freak to begin with
I have plenty of VQ30DE stock dyno's, so all I need is a good baseline VE30DE 5spd dyno. I have Lordrandall's from the dyno forum, but I'm told this was a lower than normal dyno?
I'm not looking for the best ever factory freak dyno because I try to keep the playing field as level as possible. So all I need is a dyno on a VE that best represents all of them (an average dyno, not a crappy one or a factory freak).
As soon as I can get this dyno I'll fire up Excel
11-18-2002, 03:43 PM
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here's mine:
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...eline_dyno.jpg
The only mod at the time was a WSP CAI.
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...eline_dyno.jpg
The only mod at the time was a WSP CAI.
11-21-2002, 10:28 PM
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didn't mean to keep you guys hanging. hehe
I ran out of time over the weekend and now my hosting site is FUBAR so I'm sorta stuck until they fix it.
In the meantime I'll just spit out some oral results...
Horsepower
Idle-3500rpm: the VQ has about a 5-10whp advantage over a VE
3500-5600rpm: The VQ and VE are about dead even.
5600rpm+: The VE has a good 15 whp advantage over a VQ!!
Horsepower-to-Weight
Idle-5600rpm: 3rd Gen gets 0wNed (loses by ~5 fwhp/ton average)
Above 5600rpm: 3rd Gen will pull (advantage by about ~5 fwhp/ton average)
Overall the 4th Gen's are the faster cars (thanks to the extra torque and the lighter weight), but on a long and flat-out highway race, a 3rd Gen VE will in fact pull on a VQ thanks to the variable runners and VTC's, assuming they're all still working
hehe, just ribbin you guys a little, but in all seriousness, I was really impressed by the VE engine. It really did surprise me. On the To-Do list is a full Gen3 vs Gen4 vs Gen5(3.0) dyno shootout. What it's going to show is that a VE 5spd will hang right in there with the VQ 3.0's and people will learn that just because it's old(er), doesn't mean it's slow
I ran out of time over the weekend and now my hosting site is FUBAR so I'm sorta stuck until they fix it.
In the meantime I'll just spit out some oral results...
Horsepower
Idle-3500rpm: the VQ has about a 5-10whp advantage over a VE
3500-5600rpm: The VQ and VE are about dead even.
5600rpm+: The VE has a good 15 whp advantage over a VQ!!
Horsepower-to-Weight
Idle-5600rpm: 3rd Gen gets 0wNed (loses by ~5 fwhp/ton average)
Above 5600rpm: 3rd Gen will pull (advantage by about ~5 fwhp/ton average)
Overall the 4th Gen's are the faster cars (thanks to the extra torque and the lighter weight), but on a long and flat-out highway race, a 3rd Gen VE will in fact pull on a VQ thanks to the variable runners and VTC's, assuming they're all still working
hehe, just ribbin you guys a little, but in all seriousness, I was really impressed by the VE engine. It really did surprise me. On the To-Do list is a full Gen3 vs Gen4 vs Gen5(3.0) dyno shootout. What it's going to show is that a VE 5spd will hang right in there with the VQ 3.0's and people will learn that just because it's old(er), doesn't mean it's slow
11-21-2002, 10:43 PM
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15.3 in an auto is surprising. This is great news. Even if the VQ's say they will put a MEVI on, it will make them loose low end, which would make it even with the VE on the low and mid, but they gain like 2-3hp up top which makes the VE about 12hp up top still, so for $600 they make it worse? VTC's are awesome, knock the tickin, but the VE will still dish out an *** whoopin
11-22-2002, 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by dmontzmax
15.3 in an auto is surprising. This is great news. Even if the VQ's say they will put a MEVI on, it will make them loose low end, which would make it even with the VE on the low and mid, but they gain like 2-3hp up top which makes the VE about 12hp up top still, so for $600 they make it worse? VTC's are awesome, knock the tickin, but the VE will still dish out an *** whoopin:-D
15.3 in an auto is surprising. This is great news. Even if the VQ's say they will put a MEVI on, it will make them loose low end, which would make it even with the VE on the low and mid, but they gain like 2-3hp up top which makes the VE about 12hp up top still, so for $600 they make it worse? VTC's are awesome, knock the tickin, but the VE will still dish out an *** whoopin:-D
VQ30DE @ 6500rpm: 130 fwhp
VE30DE @ 6500rpm: 140 fwhp
VQ30DE w/MEVI : 160+ fwhp @ redline (probably 165-167 or so)
MEVI still ownz j0o.
Even with the variable runners and VTC's, power on the VE's *still* falls off 6000rpm. With the MEVI VQ, power peaks around 5000, but then stays relatively flat and even gains some all the way up to redline.
A picture is worth a thousand words, which is now what I'm having to type, but my stupid host still isn't up yet!
11-22-2002, 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
Pardon the pun, but you're not seeing the "whole picture" yet, so don't jump to any conclusions just yet.
VQ30DE @ 6500rpm: 130 fwhp
VE30DE @ 6500rpm: 140 fwhp
VQ30DE w/MEVI : 160+ fwhp @ redline (probably 165-167 or so)
MEVI still ownz j0o.
Even with the variable runners and VTC's, power on the VE's *still* falls off 6000rpm. With the MEVI VQ, power peaks around 5000, but then stays relatively flat and even gains some all the way up to redline.
A picture is worth a thousand words, which is now what I'm having to type, but my stupid host still isn't up yet!
Pardon the pun, but you're not seeing the "whole picture" yet, so don't jump to any conclusions just yet.
VQ30DE @ 6500rpm: 130 fwhp
VE30DE @ 6500rpm: 140 fwhp
VQ30DE w/MEVI : 160+ fwhp @ redline (probably 165-167 or so)
MEVI still ownz j0o.
Even with the variable runners and VTC's, power on the VE's *still* falls off 6000rpm. With the MEVI VQ, power peaks around 5000, but then stays relatively flat and even gains some all the way up to redline.
A picture is worth a thousand words, which is now what I'm having to type, but my stupid host still isn't up yet!
When I was stock I ran a bunch of VQ's and either beat them or was even.
http://groups.msn.com/NissanMaxima93...hoto&PhotoID=3
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....t=dyno+and+udp
11-22-2002, 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
Pardon the pun, but you're not seeing the "whole picture" yet, so don't jump to any conclusions just yet.
VQ30DE @ 6500rpm: 130 fwhp
VE30DE @ 6500rpm: 140 fwhp
VQ30DE w/MEVI : 160+ fwhp @ redline (probably 165-167 or so)
MEVI still ownz j0o.
Even with the variable runners and VTC's, power on the VE's *still* falls off 6000rpm. With the MEVI VQ, power peaks around 5000, but then stays relatively flat and even gains some all the way up to redline.
A picture is worth a thousand words, which is now what I'm having to type, but my stupid host still isn't up yet!
Pardon the pun, but you're not seeing the "whole picture" yet, so don't jump to any conclusions just yet.
VQ30DE @ 6500rpm: 130 fwhp
VE30DE @ 6500rpm: 140 fwhp
VQ30DE w/MEVI : 160+ fwhp @ redline (probably 165-167 or so)
MEVI still ownz j0o.
Even with the variable runners and VTC's, power on the VE's *still* falls off 6000rpm. With the MEVI VQ, power peaks around 5000, but then stays relatively flat and even gains some all the way up to redline.
A picture is worth a thousand words, which is now what I'm having to type, but my stupid host still isn't up yet!
11-22-2002, 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by dmontzmax
It was done, stock vs. stock. Now I would like to see how the autos compare, I think the VQ would get the nudge on that. I wonder what Randy would of gotten if his Power Valve was working right.
It was done, stock vs. stock. Now I would like to see how the autos compare, I think the VQ would get the nudge on that. I wonder what Randy would of gotten if his Power Valve was working right.
11-23-2002, 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by pezking4
Does Matt have a factory freak that doesn't feel the effects of old age? My car has about as many miles as his, and my car is slow sometimes... darn sensors
Does Matt have a factory freak that doesn't feel the effects of old age? My car has about as many miles as his, and my car is slow sometimes... darn sensors
I don't want to brag, but I can do a 1-2 and 3-4 shift faster than most people can blink.. and that's WITH the clutch.Ask Kaleb about that one.
11-23-2002, 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by Matt93SE
A lot of it has to do with the right arm, left foot action when shifting. I don't want to brag, but I can do a 1-2 and 3-4 shift faster than most people can blink.. and that's WITH the clutch.
Ask Kaleb about that one.
A lot of it has to do with the right arm, left foot action when shifting.
I don't want to brag, but I can do a 1-2 and 3-4 shift faster than most people can blink.. and that's WITH the clutch.Ask Kaleb about that one.
11-25-2002, 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by KLoWnPR109
Do you remember racing Steve in Dallas last year? White 4th gen five speed with the huge exhaust? I remember Steve wanting to sell his car because you whupped up on him so bad
Do you remember racing Steve in Dallas last year? White 4th gen five speed with the huge exhaust? I remember Steve wanting to sell his car because you whupped up on him so bad
11-25-2002, 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by pezking4
Yeah, I was in Ladeesman's GLE earlier today when we were test driving it after the axle replacement, and that thing really moves for an auto.
Yeah, I was in Ladeesman's GLE earlier today when we were test driving it after the axle replacement, and that thing really moves for an auto.
He's an auto with intake, test pipe, b pipe, and muffler. And I'm a stock 5 speed with a slipping clutch :beatup:
I counted to three and then did my downshift to make it fair, and he turned off overdrive to lock out 4th gear and already be in 3rd when we started.
I began to walk away from him slowly just like I said would happen.
11-25-2002, 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Aaron92SE
With those mods, Ladeesman has yet broke into the 15's. I think his best is around a 16.05. So, maybe something is wrong with his car. I know he's not running up to par.
With those mods, Ladeesman has yet broke into the 15's. I think his best is around a 16.05. So, maybe something is wrong with his car. I know he's not running up to par.
Originally posted by dmontzmax
please define slow! how many car? what mph?
please define slow! how many car? what mph?
11-25-2002, 01:52 PM
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As a sort of response to Pezking's post I had an encounter with a 4th gen on the highway (I'm not sure if it was auto or not) the other night on I35 in Rockwall, Tx. He had custommaxima.com stickers on his car (wonder if he's on the forums?) and sounded like he had an intake at least.
Well he kept passing me and flooring it and laughing as he passed so I figured I'd go. We went from about 75mph...by the end of third I had half a car on him then put a full car on him halfway through 4th and I ran out of room. I had 2 passengers with me.
I've raced 3 or 4 VQ's with the auto. They at the very least had intake/exhaust and I beat all of them. Never raced one from a complete stop though, which, they probably would've been closer then.
Well he kept passing me and flooring it and laughing as he passed so I figured I'd go. We went from about 75mph...by the end of third I had half a car on him then put a full car on him halfway through 4th and I ran out of room. I had 2 passengers with me.
I've raced 3 or 4 VQ's with the auto. They at the very least had intake/exhaust and I beat all of them. Never raced one from a complete stop though, which, they probably would've been closer then.
11-25-2002, 04:31 PM
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DYNO COMPARISON IMAGES
Okay...they're finally up. Again, sorry for the delay, my host was all FUBAR last week. So I'll just post them up and spare all the commentary.
Here are the raw dyno charts compared directly to each other, taken directly off of the chassis dyno charts...
Here are the raw dyno charts compared directly to each other, taken directly off of the chassis dyno charts...
11-25-2002, 04:34 PM
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Now here are the Power to Weight ratio charts. VQ basically owns below 5600rpm. Above that a VQ wheezes, but the VE is still pulling thanks to the variable runners and VTC's.
