apprently we are going to talk about putting sugar on fries now i guess.

 

It's much more interesting than you avoiding all the other questions.

Did you know that if I raise my leg over my head, it kinda hurts?

 

where does it hurt? if it's the stomach area situps might help you out a little bit.

 

woohoo! finally results are in. the Hekimian Nissan engine is running on 10.4:1 compression and you will have to run 93 octane. Not too bad minus the high gas prices right now.

 

are you this sure about the rest of the stuff you're arguing about with Jeff?

Jeff - sugar on fries is bad, salt is good

 

Please just go back to work on your VG30DET so the collective IQ of the 3rd gen forum can rise again

 

i was making a guess. i guess pushrods really do suck (in reference to the v8 running high compression n/a to get some power). i'm not working on the vg30det, i'm working on the vg30et and my friend is doing the vg30det in his 280z.

 

I have dealt with Hekimian Racing and there cyro-treatment. He is a very religious guy (recieved bible as I left his shop). He builds engines to last for street use. he had a few 1000hp plus engines laying around. He also told me about people with built engines from him that are daily RELIABLE transportation. He is a very honest, expensive and easy to work with person. He does all the rebuilding from his garage and home-schools his daughter. He is also a man of science not just mechanic stuff. So he gave me and my friend a lecture on the science of metals and stress that it can handle. He has a lab that he works in and cryo-treats in with another scientist. In short: His engines are built for reliablity and power!

 

i'm not saying that those engines aren't reliable. they wouldn't be as reliable as a turbo engine due to the higher compression.

 

True, true.. Gregg's the man, mang.

 

Geez, you still on this? How could you even compare? Each engine is built so differently, driven differently and maintained so differently that that statement is downright ignorant.

What if the turbo person rarely changed the oil and never cooled the engine down before shutting it off? How much coked oil do you think na engines have to deal with?

 

How can they be true for all engines? considering all engines are built for what compression they have. and yes there is problems with the new M3 motors but it is a BMW secret.

 

go to a brick wall, start punching it lightly then start punching it harder for a little while, there you have what a turbo engine would be like. now, do the same thing with the other arm but this time punch really hard for the same amount of time. which arm is going to hurt worse/break first? are you starting to understand yet?

 

WTF?! LOL!!!!!!!

Well folks that's it, DEFINATE proof.

 

Now what if the arm punching the wall harder had a glove on to handle the extra force.

 

 

what the hell happened to people with common sense?? no wonder the school system suck ****, there is no one with enough common sense anymore to figure out the simplest things. you guys are ignorant.

 

So every turboed engine is more reliable than any High Comp engine?

 

i'll try to spell it out one more time.

a turbo engine will generally be more reliable than a high compression engine because there is less strain on the internals that are trying compressing the fuel and air mix, however, when the turbo spools up there is more strain on the engine. since most cars that are driven on the street do not run high rpms all day long and instead are usually in the lower rpm range there is less stress on the internals due to the lower compression in the turbo vehicle. when you have a high compression engine you are putting constant stress on the internals in any range of the rpms. even if you are in the lower portion of the rpm range, you are still putting a greater strain on the internals of the engine due to it having higher compression contrary to the turbo engine's lower compression at the same rpm.

oh yeah, i would like to mention i'm not pulling this out of my ***. i'm getting this from a performance article. i don't have the article anymore due to windows sucking a huge ****ing ****, but i'm am not ****ting anyone. this is what i read, it makes sense, so i'm going to believe it.

 

All things being equal, 2 engines made out of EXACTLY the same materials, with the same design minus the fact that one has a 9:1 CR and the other has an 11.5 CR, then YES, the 9:1 is likely to last longer. But did you ever think that perhaps high performance, high CR engines are made from DIFFERENT materials, selected specifically to handle more strain for longer periods of time?

 

the thing is, we were talking about the vg30 the whole time (at least i was). i was comparing the high compression Hekimian VG30E engine to the low compression VG30ET turbo engine.

 

I was just pointing out that he strenghtens the internals of the VG to handle the extra Comp

 

i understand that, but he strengthens a lot more than just the internals.

 

so this engine has 10.4:1 doesnt a ve have 10:1 and they have been known to last 250k+ so i dont think its a problem

 

Yeah he blesses it with holy water

 

has it do communion(?) too

 

Here you go again...man you make a lot of unfounded statements in this thread alone but you dont need high compression to get a na v8 to run good.

I ran mid to high 11s with a 9.5:1 400 small block (stock crank and pistons at that) and spend a hell of a lot less on it than it would take to get a "overhead cam" motor to run that...oh and that motor has been running at the track since I sold it 5 years ago and is still running strong...yeah pushrods suck

not going to get into the import vrs the domestic stuff because I have stated numerous of times I love both but STOP talking about stuff you have no earthly idea about.

I do know someone running a 13:1 motor in their race car and has lasted several seasons with the same motor. I also know people with fast turbos. Guess which one blows up more...

OH I figured I would go off topic with this post since you have a few times...my hand hurts I think I will sue you for telling me to hit a wall

 

i give up

 

<-------mtcookson

 

that's what it is like when talking to people who don't understand common sense.

 

::yawn:: cant we all jus get along?

 

i wish we could but this is the org

 

That is just it your the one not using common sense. I have been around motors for a lot longer than you and know a little and the stuff you are saying is unfounded...period.

Yeah I am used to domestic but motors are motors. You make stress on motors either way you go and you build your motor FOR WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO USE IT FOR.

If you build a high compression motor you build it to take the punishment. If you build a turbo motor you build it to take boost. If you build a nitrous motor you build it to take the abuse of nitrous. Now that is common sense why cant you use it.

That throws the whole "hc motors are less reliable than turbo motors" out the window because the motors are built differently TO TAKE THE TYPE OF PUNISHMENT YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE IT.

and before you say "well yeah if you build it for that reason...blah blah blah..." think that you were talking about a BUILT motor in the first place.

sorry if you think I am flaming but when you say people arent using common sense when you are the one not doing it is really irritating to me.

 

so is it no longer common sense that information out of a performance magazine that says high compression motors are less reliable than turbo motors is good, useful information? well dang, i guess we can't research info on engines anymore if that stuff is no longer true. that is just like my little brother who wants to get a some crappy suv. even after i read to him over 400 reviews on the vehicle, the majority being bad, he still wants to get that vehicle. that's just being ignorant and lacking common sense.

 

ok say if you were to get the engine wouldnt you have to ungrade your transmission or keep the same one

 

if you're talking about getting the Hekimian engine it will bolt right up to the stock tranny.

 

i know that but wouldnt the tranny just rip right out because of the high torque

 

well, you would probably break something. they are pretty crappy trannies in my opinion. you would need to get it cryoed or some other build up to get it to handle the power. the torque output of that engine seems kind of low.

 

what mag said that??

 

Would you JUST LISTEN. If the motor is BUILT to take HC then it will be just as reliable as a turbo motor...that my friend is common sense. tell me the performance magazines you are saying you read that HC motors are less reliable because I used to subscribe to Hot Rod, CarCraft...a couple others and they build HC motors, Turbo motors, SC motors and such. Like I said before you build the motor differently and you can make any of them just as reliable as any other.

I remember reading stuff you posted just a few months ago not knowing anything about motors but now you all of a sudden know all there is to know about them and that you can say its common sense that HC motors are less reliable...come on.

I am telling you that a well built HC motor will live just as long if not longer than a well built turbo motor. There is more to a building a HC motor than just putting dome top pistons in.

Do you think if you had a well built turbo motor you wouldnt constantly be trying to up the boost...of course you will and do you think that motor will out live a HC motor from doing that?


I am telling you from experiance (not just from reading books) but if you do not want to listen then dont...the thing is I have DONE and have been there (built HC motors and SC motors...sorry no turbos yet) while you are just talking and havent done a thing yet...not saying you arent going to but just havent yet.

I am not typing anymore because arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall because you have it in your head that your right and everyone else is wrong and it will not change.

Oh I bet the magazine your are talking about is a turbo mag...do you think they may be biased?