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Old 10-25-2003 | 08:56 PM
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Personally I would drop in a 340ci Mopar in a heartbeat. It takes a Mopar to catch a Mopar
I was considering SBCing it personally Stout little mouse worth an easy 450hp before major mods. Oh well it'll just have to end up in my Camaro
Old 10-25-2003 | 11:44 PM
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Supra TT motor into a 240z. 600hp is cake for that engine.

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I would stay away from the L28 myself. Those things are extremely heavy, heavier than a VG30DET for comparison. On top of that, 400 hp seems to be really high for those which compared to an RB is usually cake. If I were to do an awesome swap I would put a VG30DET into a 240Z. 2400 pounds with 600 hp or more and some awesome torque makes a sweet drag car that can handle extremely well.
Old 10-25-2003 | 11:55 PM
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actually i hear 800 hp is cake for that engine... but still, 600 is a ****load of power.

600hp inline 6 in a 240z =
Old 10-26-2003 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Supra TT motor into a 240z. 600hp is cake for that engine.
over rated...i'd take an RB over a 2jzGTE anyday.
mmmm 1300+HP@11,500rpm(according to exvitermini.com)

as far as older Z cars go, how about that dark blue one with the blown/cammed/juiced vette motor that beat a street bike?, sick sh*t!
Old 10-26-2003 | 01:53 AM
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Guys are getting over 700hp on the stock bottom ends and out of local shops.

ANY motor can make big hp if you get some professional builder to tackle it. They get 1500hp out of 1.3 turbo formula 1 cars.

Question. When you need tune up parts or a gasket set for your RB, who ya gonna call? Or who you gonna call to install them??


Originally Posted by MaDMaX024
over rated...i'd take an RB over a 2jzGTE anyday.
mmmm 1300+HP@11,500rpm(according to exvitermini.com)

as far as older Z cars go, how about that dark blue one with the blown/cammed/juiced vette motor that beat a street bike?, sick sh*t!
Old 10-26-2003 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Guys are getting over 700hp on the stock bottom ends and out of local shops.

ANY motor can make big hp if you get some professional builder to tackle it. They get 1500hp out of 1.3 turbo formula 1 cars.

but don't forget to mention that that 1.3 liter turbo F1 car has usually 12 cylinders and redlines over 13k and costs over a million dollars to make.

Also to everyone here. If you want that kind of HP you can get it but don't expect to be able to drive your car for long without having to rebuild your engine every 500 miles. And change mpg to gpm for fuel usage imho
Old 10-26-2003 | 09:08 AM
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they are starting to get a lot more RB parts over here now. I'm sure engine builders wouldn't mind building one up either, it's not like they are designed extremely different from other engiens. They are just well designed engines.
Old 10-26-2003 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Guys are getting over 700hp on the stock bottom ends and out of local shops.

ANY motor can make big hp if you get some professional builder to tackle it. They get 1500hp out of 1.3 turbo formula 1 cars.

Question. When you need tune up parts or a gasket set for your RB, who ya gonna call? Or who you gonna call to install them??
thats true, the RB is just alot more original, to me anyway.
if i could afford an RB, i could afford to foresee any maintainance issues and preorder the parts way in advance and i'd do the work (because ideally, i'd have a daily driver along with whatever i have the RB powering).
Old 10-26-2003 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Supra TT motor into a 240z. 600hp is cake for that engine.
I'll probably be going with a Mk4 Getrag v160/v161 6spd gearbox for my 240z project once it is close to completion. Much beefier than a gts-t tranny.
Old 10-26-2003 | 05:14 PM
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T-56 tranny. 6spd's dont get much beefier than that.

Let's all face it though, yay for low displacement high hp engines, but seriously, the real fun comes with small and big block V8's that can easily hit over 1000hp with alittle tuning and boost or happy gas. Not to mention enough torque to tear 2 tracks into the asphault, and when was the last time you could turn an imports diff. into a locker for the few cents worth of feed wire and argon?


[Gone's bored]
Old 10-26-2003 | 06:11 PM
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gota love those lincoln lockers

welders are so cooool
Old 10-26-2003 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MrGone
T-56 tranny. 6spd's dont get much beefier than that.

Let's all face it though, yay for low displacement high hp engines, but seriously, the real fun comes with small and big block V8's that can easily hit over 1000hp with alittle tuning and boost or happy gas. Not to mention enough torque to tear 2 tracks into the asphault, and when was the last time you could turn an imports diff. into a locker for the few cents worth of feed wire and argon?


[Gone's bored]

To each his own. I'm an automotive enthusiast so, I can enjoy everything automotive. However, as much as I love muscle cars and American v8's, I think they are really played out. Everyone and his brother stuffs SBC's and BBC's into lots of different cars and does the same old played out stuff that's been done for the last 5+ decades. v8's are still awesome and can make so much power but, to me it's not as fun as fine tuning a much smaller engine to be as efficient as possible while still making huge power. What I love to see though is when people use the best of today's available technology to do crazy things with muscle cars and American v8's. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen as often as it should since more often than not people are stuck on doing it old school like getting a "hot" cam, bigger carb, etc.

For a long time I've had an idea for a project car in the back of my head. I'd like to take a '67-69 1st gen Camaro (my favorite gen. Camaro), use an Lt5, go standalone with a TecIII, do a simple single turbo setup and use an Ls1 6spd, do a c5 drivetrain/suspension swap and upgrade the suspension for the best possible handling, lighten the car as much as possible and use some huge brakes (8piston Wilwood or Brembo). I like the idea of an Lt5 since it is DOHC and would be better for higher rpm power.
Old 10-26-2003 | 07:33 PM
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Thats called restro-modding (or simialar). For example with the mustang it would be using a mustang II suspension, and dropping in a 03 Cobra Engine + 6spd or something. You dont have to use the mustang II suspension, but the 4.6DOHC is wider than a 428CobraJet, so you would have to dent in the shock towers, while with a mustang II suspension, you can just remove the shock towers. Same with the guys who put brand new cobra IRS setups in their classic stangs (and ironically, the new cobra guys are putting solid axles in their cobras). For brakes, I would just use a 4 piston wilwood setup with a hydrobooster, suspension would just be larger sways, better shocks and springs, some traction bars, etc. Tinker with the gears, beef up the tranny, put in a manual valvebody and possibly a reverse valve body. Most likely a Flaming River Power rack, some 17 or 18" torque thrusts or something, definately BFG rubber, and a bunch of other things.

Or just restore the car to concours spec and sell it for some nice money (but wheres the fun in that)
Old 10-26-2003 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Question. When you need tune up parts or a gasket set for your RB, who ya gonna call? Or who you gonna call to install them??
A few RB parts are interchanable with NA z32 parts, ie plugs, clutch, oil filter,power amp. The RB is a simple engine to work on unlike the VE. IF you can change a clutch you can change the RB head gasket.

However prices are going through the roof because of stupid street and import ricer doing feature articles on the RB. Quite a few honduh owners are jumping ship and paying anything just to get one.

2jzgte is a Dyno Queen Engine
Old 10-26-2003 | 07:53 PM
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jim how is your car going?? did you get those problems solved since last?

Originally Posted by jim90gxe
A few RB parts are interchanable with NA z32 parts, ie plugs, clutch, oil filter,power amp. The RB is a simple engine to work on unlike the VE. IF you can change a clutch you can change the RB head gasket.

However prices are going through the roof because of stupid street and import ricer doing feature articles on the RB. Quite a few honduh owners are jumping ship and paying anything just to get one.

2jzgte is a Dyno Queen Engine
Old 10-26-2003 | 09:35 PM
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I'm so lost on this conversation. Maybe I should try reading it?
Old 10-26-2003 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Shadow1198
To each his own. I'm an automotive enthusiast so, I can enjoy everything automotive. However, as much as I love muscle cars and American v8's, I think they are really played out. Everyone and his brother stuffs SBC's and BBC's into lots of different cars and does the same old played out stuff that's been done for the last 5+ decades. v8's are still awesome and can make so much power but, to me it's not as fun as fine tuning a much smaller engine to be as efficient as possible while still making huge power. What I love to see though is when people use the best of today's available technology to do crazy things with muscle cars and American v8's. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen as often as it should since more often than not people are stuck on doing it old school like getting a "hot" cam, bigger carb, etc.

For a long time I've had an idea for a project car in the back of my head. I'd like to take a '67-69 1st gen Camaro (my favorite gen. Camaro), use an Lt5, go standalone with a TecIII, do a simple single turbo setup and use an Ls1 6spd, do a c5 drivetrain/suspension swap and upgrade the suspension for the best possible handling, lighten the car as much as possible and use some huge brakes (8piston Wilwood or Brembo). I like the idea of an Lt5 since it is DOHC and would be better for higher rpm power.
Just a reminder:
The C5 has a mid mounted trans. so trying to slide that under a first gen camarao would be a beatch
Old 10-27-2003 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by internetautomar
Just a reminder:
The C5 has a mid mounted trans. so trying to slide that under a first gen camarao would be a beatch
I know it does. Actually, it's rear mounted. I meant to say c4 drivetrain. Lots of guys do swaps like that on other cars like the Bel Air.

Someone needs to lock this post already.
Old 10-27-2003 | 12:18 PM
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Lock the one post that actually has non newbie information or questions?
Old 10-27-2003 | 12:23 PM
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i'm with klown. this is good stuff here. i am surprised at the longevity of this thread. i think there is a lot of freedom here to really speak about engines. and there are so many well-informed car people here. i think this is great, lots of great crossover info.
Old 10-27-2003 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Shadow1198
I know it does. Actually, it's rear mounted. I meant to say c4 drivetrain. Lots of guys do swaps like that on other cars like the Bel Air.

Someone needs to lock this post already.
No need to lock this thread it's covering new ground and it's fun!
Besides doesn't a C4 vette have tons in common with a maxima?
4 tires
brakes
engine
trans steering wheel
doors
seats
Old 10-27-2003 | 01:22 PM
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All I was getting at is this is way OT and maybe we should discuss this stuff somewhere else.
Old 10-27-2003 | 01:29 PM
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Actually, I am doing the traditional all motor build-up. Had my engine bored 220 over, cams ground, heads and intake ported, and headers. But then I'm still a Muscle Car guy at heart.
Old 10-27-2003 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Blinocac200sx
Actually, I am doing the traditional all motor build-up. Had my engine bored 220 over, cams ground, heads and intake ported, and headers. But then I'm still a Muscle Car guy at heart.
What car did you used to have?
I've noticed a number of us 3ger's have muscle car histories.
I wonder just how many of us?
Old 10-27-2003 | 04:30 PM
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First car ever purchased was my 1968 Mustang (bought it when I was 17).
Second Car was my 1992 Maxima SE (bought it when I was 18-still am).

Now I must go put the mustang in the garage, and work on the brakes. Then go take it out for a spin It's dry out too, that means burnouts!

My name came from a few years ago when I would play Counter-Strike alot, went from 'GoneIn60Seconds' to 'Gi60Seconds' to 'MrGone' but all the clan people and friends just called me Gone when we would play, which kind of rhymes with my name, Shawn. I'm a Mopar nut at heart though.
Old 10-27-2003 | 04:52 PM
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OTness- Mustang fired up, had to crank it alot to 'prime' the fuel system though Sounded like my neighbors boyfriends V6 mustang (94-98 model), it takes forever to start. Anyway, pushed on the brake pedal, went straight to the floor. Now I need someone to help me in bleeding the brakes. Atleast I got to scare the neighborhood kiddies. I'll fire it off again later tonight. I like seeing the flames shoot out of the intake.

/OTness
Old 10-27-2003 | 04:55 PM
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my first car was a 1981 Chevette. piece of sh*t but had killer red paint job. 4spd manual. crappy isuzu engine it. no power at all. a lawnmower is more powerful. and reliable.

then i had 1961 Impala sport sedan, hardtop (no b-pillar). awesome. i miss that car. i want another one. it had a 327. it developed an oil-fouling problem, and then a powerglide problem, and, on a poor college student's income, had to sell it. the guy who bought it restored it. i saw some of his work shortly after i sold it and i wanted to cry. but it went to a great home.

i had, at the same time, a 150 model 1957 Chevrolet 2dr. i had to sell it because i moved and could not realistically envision finishing it. it was dismantled and i had these big dreams for it. i sold it to a dentist who later restored it.

i had a 1955 Oldsmobile Rocket 88. that had the most torque i have ever felt from a vehicle. it would leap up hills like there was no effort from it's engine. i sold it to a guy in Belgium. he restored it and then used it in parades and weddings.

next, i had a 1982 Ford Fairmont sedan. more "practical." and that is the car i learned to "work on." out of necessity, i had to do minor repairs myself. like brakes, altys, water pumps, fuel pumps, simple soldering of frayed switch wires, belts, plugs, all of the basic stuff.

i am not much of a mechanic, but i can do simple things. some of the things about the maxima are somewhat above my head. my name, "bonzelite" comes from the name of my skate wheels: bonzelite 103A's. i upgraded from bonzartistic 97's about 2 years ago. the elites are harder, faster and glide better.

i favor classic Chevys, the Skyline GTR, Silvias; of course the Maxima. i like cars in general, though. all kinds.

presently i own the 90SE 5spd 3rd gen and a 96 model (zenki) S14 - the next dream project car.
Old 10-27-2003 | 11:59 PM
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over here the RB series motor is much much nicer to buy for than that supra motor :], but then we do have skylines coming out our ears :P

rb26dett > all :]
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