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Old 11-19-2003, 07:09 AM
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Just today, I installed my PU motor mounts. BOY what a difference.
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Does anyone ever bring a gxe Auto to the tracks?
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yes people have look at the inclosed attachment for the spread sheet
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Old 11-19-2003, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MrGone
he already explained why, and besides, its fun. You pay to play, and since he does his own labor, it really doesnt cost much for him to play.
I should've been more specific, why would you go to the track EXPECTING TO DO GOOD with a slipping clutch? You can't really complain, right?
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true, but Matt93SE goes to the track on a slipping clutch and it actually works to his benefit. It just depends, Sometimes it can help because it can change your gearing (in a sense), but other times it can hurt because your waiting and waiting and waiting for it to hook up and put the power to the ground.
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im no 5 speed guy, but peeps r right, u should b in the 14's w/ those mods...im a stock auto and in cool weather i trap 88mph....is your timing advanced? maybe thats where u is losin...
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bump the timing, pop in a resistor, run some Premium Arco gas and scurry on down that track.
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Old 11-19-2003, 09:19 PM
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bah.. I've got a bad knock sensor with no resistor mod and I still pulled those times.
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bah.. I've got a bad knock sensor with no resistor mod and I still pulled those times.
Yeap, Matt's right. As long as the motor doesn't get excessively warm, then the bad KS won't pull the timing back. My track times didn't change ONE bit when i changed my noticably BAD KS... b/c I run my car when it's had a little time to cool. If I come off the highway all hot and run my car at the track, of course I will be slow. Some people can't get this through their heads when they wonder why they are so slow at the track. NO CAR is going to set records on a hot motor.

I'm going to say it again, the VE is fastest between 140-170 degrees for coolant. Anything above 170, you will only get slower. My coolant temp gauge is essential for my car. I am VERY dependent on it now.
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Originally Posted by turdlett
Does anyone ever bring a gxe Auto to the tracks?
i'm sure people have. i have a gxe auto...but not in any rush to find out what i run
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Ok well I finally ran my ve for the first time. Here is the result. Conditions. Night time from 8-9:30pm. Stuck in traffic for 1 hour bumper to bumper but moving 15 mph, for 15 miles on the nj turnpike to the drag strip.


That was the first thing i posted up... my max had no time to cool off.. also i think my thermo is messed up, cause i was driving with the heater on full blast all the way and my needle did not budge.. also want to add that my max is burning oil, i have to add 1 quart every week or so.... damn dont know what to do.. i thank everyone for backing me up by saying that my max could and should run 14's with these mods, just ****ed off that i can. time to updarde to my fly wheel and act clutch and see how it goes from there.. if not i am gonna beat the shiet out this engine and tranny and get a jdm one , but before i do that i am gonna add nos to see how much this old engine can hold... 50-75 shot??? lol.. i am just p o right now i'll do anything to get it to run.. yes i know more money to spend down the road..

also my motor munts are shot and my lower control arms are done also.. i guess that can have an effect on my 15.56 run... so i say maybe .2-.3 tenths off and heck mybe with my suspension swap over maybe another .1 just wishfull thinking
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Originally Posted by Fosgate Fan
i'm sure people have. i have a gxe auto...but not in any rush to find out what i run
my stock vg with no mods ran 16.56 81.772 stock and running hot...
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Originally Posted by crazy4maxima
my stock vg with no mods ran 16.56 81.772 stock and running hot...
i thought a stock VG get high 16s. but i guess you proved me wrong

i don't have much of performance mod...except for a K&N filter and magnaflow muffler. don't know if these things will improve the times that much, if any.
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i had a magnaflow muffler, cheap auto zone cone filter, and a slipping clutch. my best run was 16.4 which was my first run. didn't have much cooling time either.
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ironic how my auto vg gxe ran 81.772 @ 16.56 stock and my modded ve ran 1 sec fater and 8mph more...15.56 89.56
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that seems like a quick auto... maybe i have a slow 5-speed.
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Izzy, is it an oil leak or is it burning oil? Have you done a compression test? Hopefully its just a bad seal, if its burning then your going to want to have a new engine in the garage and a AAA card handy before you get on the happy gas.
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Dont add NOS to a stock engine, after everything Ive told you, its a stupid move and even if you do get a new engine after, the way you drive youll cut the life of that engine to about a fourth.
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Originally Posted by N34JZ
Dont add NOS to a stock engine, after everything Ive told you, its a stupid move and even if you do get a new engine after, the way you drive youll cut the life of that engine to about a fourth.
Emphasis on what's underlined.


Plus, since NAWWZZ has that suddenly-sudden surge of power, that can't be good for enduring the life of your +100k mile life motor.
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Old 11-20-2003, 04:32 AM
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Can you say ICE the intake?
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Old 11-20-2003, 05:15 AM
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1. Unless it's a blue bottle sold by Holley, its not NOS.
2. The only reason why I worry about Izzy's engine if its actually burning oil (and also what the compression test shows) is that if hes having Blow-By problems, it would not be smart to run Nitrous on the engine and probably wouldnt be the most accurate way to see what the engine can handle. However, he is aware of what can happen, so I say as long as he has the engine setup properly for the shot he wants to run, he's good to go. So long as he doesnt lean out, he will be able to get a really good idea for how far to push the engine. Plus almost all of that support hardware will be needed for a turbo project.

Also its a matter of load too, just adding an extra 55-75 hp to the engine isn't going to hurt a thing. Its if the engine has a low load, it will be a breeze for the engine, but if it has a high load it will put more stress on it. Run a good motor oil and filter at regular intervals and you will cut down on possiable bearing wear, cylinder, and other engine wear resulting from the higher loads. Think of a turbo making 10psi with a granny driving it, or a turbo making 10psi with one of us driving it . .
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Originally Posted by MrGone
1. Unless it's a blue bottle sold by Holley, its not NOS.
2. The only reason why I worry about Izzy's engine if its actually burning oil (and also what the compression test shows) is that if hes having Blow-By problems, it would not be smart to run Nitrous on the engine and probably wouldnt be the most accurate way to see what the engine can handle. However, he is aware of what can happen, so I say as long as he has the engine setup properly for the shot he wants to run, he's good to go. So long as he doesnt lean out, he will be able to get a really good idea for how far to push the engine. Plus almost all of that support hardware will be needed for a turbo project.

Also its a matter of load too, just adding an extra 55-75 hp to the engine isn't going to hurt a thing. Its if the engine has a low load, it will be a breeze for the engine, but if it has a high load it will put more stress on it. Run a good motor oil and filter at regular intervals and you will cut down on possiable bearing wear, cylinder, and other engine wear resulting from the higher loads. Think of a turbo making 10psi with a granny driving it, or a turbo making 10psi with one of us driving it . .
Still waiting to get my dealer status from them
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I know this is so first page ago but...

The last time I checked double clutching it what OLD TRACTOR Trailers and other Unsyncronized big trucks had to do to stop the syncs in order to shift to the next gear (up or down) I have not heard of an unsyncronized car??????????
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Most REAL race cars actually run straight/no synchros. i.e. F1, Indy, some of the SCCA cars, etc etc. not the converted street cars you see most of the time on SPEED.
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Originally Posted by cneary812
I know this is so first page ago but...

The last time I checked double clutching it what OLD TRACTOR Trailers and other Unsyncronized big trucks had to do to stop the syncs in order to shift to the next gear (up or down) I have not heard of an unsyncronized car??????????
110% correct.... see why its soo funny when used in the movie
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Originally Posted by MrGone
110% correct.... see why its soo funny when used in the movie

just like how nobody ever runs out of ammo in the movies
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Originally Posted by Matt93SE
Most REAL race cars actually run straight/no synchros. i.e. F1, Indy, some of the SCCA cars, etc etc. not the converted street cars you see most of the time on SPEED.
ok, that I did not know. Then again I dont know much about the real race cars
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Sup Guys

AND 5TH RUN U NEED TO RACE ME AGAIN, HEHE U OWE ME UR REVENGE...HEHE.









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Ok well I finally ran my ve for the first time. Here is the result. Conditions. Night time from 8-9:30pm. Stuck in traffic for 1 hour bumper to bumper but moving 15 mph, for 15 miles on the nj turnpike to the drag strip. Got no traction , and stock clutch was slipping badly as i redlined the gears to 6500rpms. and 4th gear suck for pulling but i was forced to shift to 4th before hitting the line at the end like 50 ft or so.

Water all over the track, all around the water box, forced to drive on the side where its was all dirty and wet

mods are listed in my sig. Yes i took out my subs, other than that i had a tool box, cd's, leather power seats, spare, jack, crappy tires.


First run was terrible. I got water on my tires via its all over the track. we both had wet tires and junk on tires, unaware until i lined up. Dumped the clutch at 5500rpms. 30 psi front. we both spun out crazy. Spun out at the line didnt go any where and redlined 1st to 35 mph, shifted quickly to 2nd and then rpms just dropped as i got traction, buckled at 35 mph and was off and got traction, udp reved quickly and my rpms just went up fast, shifted into 3rd and was catching up to the jeep. Readlined third i passsed him, shifted to 4th by the time i got to the line and beat him.
me left vs v8 jeep cheerokee
R/T .173 -.285
60' 2.922 2.922
330 7.730 7.436
1/8 11.308 11.259
mph 69.30 64.69
1000 14.330 14.521
1/4 16.854 17.298
mph 89.58 80.43


second run
honda crx(civic maybe) turbo hatch back old schoo with drag slicksl vs me with slipping clutch, 23 psi front, burned out. launched at 3k
R/T .492 .199
60' 1.693 2.396
330 4.635 6.670
1/8 6.996 10.115
MPH 104.29 71.46
1000 9.037 13.069
1/4 10.758 15.562
MPH 131.23 89.15


thirdrun
me burned out(shifting at 5500 rpms) vs dodge sr4 turbo (mishifting 3rd "quote un quote")
R/T .801 .688
60' 2.404 2.623
330 6.593 6.660
1/8 10.098 9.836
MPH 70.45 78.57
1000 13.081 12.608
1/4 15.598 15.059
MPH 89.26 92.53


last run
Acura RSX-s (mishifting 3rd "quote un quote")
vs Me(freaking agravated launched at 4000 rpms)
R/T .678 .805
60' 2.712 2.461
330 7.229 6.681
1/8 10.752 10.132
MPH 71.06 71.41
1000 13.667 13.083
1/4 16.150 15.592
MPH 90.69 89.44

I won 1st and last race. I think I fu(ked up my clutch even more today at the Rhode Island Meet here in the NE section after doing some highway runs. my clutch is gone, my rotors and pads are gone, metal on metal braking.

here is a pic of my weight at the track
With me including 1/4 tank of gas


With out me but still junk in the maxima 1/4 tank gas

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Old 11-20-2003, 10:47 AM
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alot of race cars put in beveled gears so that the use of the clutch is not necessary after first gear.

I thought that F1/indi cars used the paddle shifters with no clutch
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If I rememebr correctly tomorrow is the last day. Might have to head over with my dad(lincoln ls) and see what she can run since it will be nice and cold out.
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hrmm should i go or shouldnt i??? lol
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