usmanasif

Six months ago, I moved from NC to CO, or in other words, from sea level to mile high. I used to buy 93 octane gas while in NC, but on my way to Denver, octane ratings gradually went to 92 around St. Louis and to 91 closer to Denver.

Conventional wisdom (a.k.a. Super Street magazine ) suggests that the thinner mountain air at high altitudes improves combustion efficiency. My question is this: Are the SS guys full of it? Because I feel like I have lesser torque now. Does rare air lower gasoline's knock point? The only reason I can think of for the octane disparity between altitudes is that 91 acts as 93 up here. As soon as one drives over the Rockies, octane ratings go back up at the pumps.

What is going on?

Loe max

iTrader: (6)

According to this link http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuel...i_octane.shtml

'Altitude - The higher the altitude above sea level, the lower the octane requirement. Modern computer-controlled engines adjust spark timing and air-fuel ratio to compensate for changes in barometric pressure, and thus the effect of altitude on octane requirement is smaller in these vehicles.'

'Most places that sell gasoline offer three octane grades of unleaded gasoline--regular at 87 (R+M)/2, midgrade at 89 (R+M)/2, and premium at 93 (R+M)/2. In high-altitude areas such as the Rocky Mountain Region of the U.S., the (R+M)/2 number may be lower by one or two numbers'

also http://www.valvoline.com/carcare/art...cid=3&scccid=3

'For example, high altitude doesn't require as high of an octane rating, which is why many Rocky Mountain states offer 85-grade gas.'

IIRC from my 00 GLE owners Manual, Nissan recommends at least an octane rating of 85 for owners in higher altitude area's. I don't have an owners manual for my 93, but Nissan seems to recognize higher altitude owners.

Loe max

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I'm not sure how true that still holds today, as IIRC that study was done about 20 years ago on carburated engines.

usmanasif

To you sir, I say times 10. To the two Google inventors I say times 100.

Thanks much! Yeah, the three octane ratings available here are 85, 87, and 91, but the screwballs charge the same as superior grades in the rest of the country. Transportation costs are no different, but I guess anti-gray market policies have to be blamed for this.

internetautomar

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the gas is the same, just when it's tested at higher altitudes the ratings come out less.
same gas, different ratings
that's my understanding of it

MrGone

iTrader: (30)

yeah, I have a friend in Colorado running 15psi on a 347ci 95 Cobra. He's dying to dyno at sealevel lol.

usmanasif

I like your signature's "quote", Shawn. It is you. It is definitely you.

MrGone

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hahaha I thought it was funny.


I guess SS could be right about the thinner mountain air improving combustion efficiency. If memory serves, it should have a lower NOx because of a more complete burn (so more technically efficient) however you just wont have the same power as you will with denser sea-level air (the kind of part of the whole thing). You might notice better mileage, but there are alot of factors with that.

bvtran

iTrader: (3)

yup, that is true once you've past the west of the Miss. river, it becomes harder and harder to find 93 and higher octane ratings. that's from my experience when I drove from SC to LA. I don't know if the 'altitude' has anything to do with combustion cuz the vast majority of southern california are below sea level and they still don't serve anything beyond 91 octance and still they're charging 25% higher than national avg. one thing I do know for sure that is beneficial for combustion is oxygen.
-Ban

kbohip

The worst thing about high altitude is the major loss of power. You guys at sea level don't know how lucky you are. I read somewhere that the loss is about 3% for every 1,000 feet increase. After just getting back from Arizona I'd say that is about right. My car feels like a dog at 6,500 feet.