flyry110

i was up at keystone tonight racing. I'll type out my slips later, but my best run was a 15.402 @ 89.87 mph didn't think that was TOO bad on a bone stock 92 SE. i put those stupid high profile tires on it the other day and i know it's hurtin me. I was racing 2 sho's and a TA, i beat the (V8 auto) TA, a 98 SHO V8, but this stupid 94 SHO (5spd) kept pullin on me. he ran a 14.9 his first run with me, and the second time he ran a 14.85 i was like "what the heck!" but he was cool. My RT's were eh, ok, like .8's i had a .712 but that's the best i had. anyway, first time at the track for me and my max. had a good time. Phil96SE is goin next thurs. he's got a blower on his he he he, gonna represent the maximas! i was the ONLY one there tonight. anyway, just thought i'd post. I'll post my timeslips later.

DA-MAX

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I bet you could do better though! I think Czar ran 15.2-.3's with an intake so those times couldn't be too far from you! how was your launch and the shifting?
either way, thats a good time and oh yeah, I just checked out your homepage, man that burnout pic is sweet!! -->
http://www.geocities.com/flyry1110/max_3.JPG

flyry110

you know what, my launch coulda been better. we were having bleech box problems. they'd line me up in the very end of the bleech box, and i wouldn't really get a good burnout! i was getting annoyed with that. My 15.4 was after my only good burnout. i was really pleased with my new sp5000's they really hooked up. my shifting was decent. didn't miss any. thank god!!!! that would be so embarrassing. i had a bit too much wheelspin off the line(tires not sticky enough!) freakin burnouts ahh! sorry,i know i coulda shaved maybe a 10th off or so, but oh well. did i mention i waved when i passed the TA? he he he, it was the last run of the night, he had me off the line, all the way to like the 60' mark, and i totally pulled on him! i was suprised cause all i could hear was his freakin exhaust! but after i shifted to 2nd and was obviosly passing, i waved as i went by, just before my shift to 3rd he he he. i thought it was funny, he didn't. some people have no sense of humor!

flyry110

Run 1 (first time ever)
max-R/T 1.417!, 1/8 10.449, 1/4 16.083@87.14
94 SHO-R/T .949, 1/8 9.844, 1/4 15.128@93.9

Run 2
Max-R/T .712, 1/8 9.923, 1/4 15.402@89.87 *my best*
SHO-R/t .761, 1/8 9.609, 1/4 14.876@94.18

Run 3
max-R/T .885, 1/8 10.563, 1/4 16.274@86
98 SHO V8-R/T .492 (redlight), 1/8 10.174, 1/4 15.689@88.49 (his best all night)

Run 4 *hurried up due to time*
Max-R/T .823, 1/8 10.295, 1/4 15.814@89.22
TA-R/T .701, 1/8 10.506, 1/4 16.383@83.41
i waved as i passed him. at the 60' mark it was TA at 2.348, maxima at 2.671 so i was trailing and came back. I coulda done a little better, this was my first time.

SkyMax

Those are pretty good times for bone stock. Goodjob!! Tell us what Phil runs when he goes to the track. I wanna see if how slow his max is compared to mine lol.

flyry110

he said he runs high 12's with 9lbs of boost, but he just upped his pully so we'll see how he runs.

SkyMax

high 12's? lol.. haha Phil couldn't beat a grandma in a station wagon.

flyry110

doesn't he have a blown 96SE?

Nismo87SE

Could you post your 60ft and 1/8 trapspeeds also? I'm betting you were running 2.5-2.7 60ft times. You might want to try shifting at a different rpm. Its too bad we lack VE dyno charts, where as with the VQ's there are optimal shifts points that are known. Just by looking at your 1/8 ET, I can tell you had bad launches, minus that 9.9. My SE-R runs 10.0 @ 70mph in the 1/8 with a 2.38 60ft.

flyry110

yeah dude,

run 1
60' 2.674, 330 6.946, 1/8 10.449 @ 70.09

run 2
60' 2.308, 330 6.453, 1/8 9.923 @ 70.08

run 3
60' 2.758, 330 7.005, 1/8 10.563 @ 68.6

run 4
60' 2.648, 330 6.840, 1/8 10.295 @ 70.86

i was having trouble getting the tires warm enough to get traction except for the second run.

Jeff91SE

T/A running 16.3??

Are you sure that wasnt a V6 Firebird (3800)?

Nice times. Might take mine up there tonight, not sure though.

Those 60' times sounds like theyre high because of your tires, maybe? Your best run had the 2.3" 60' time. The first 60' is by far the most important part of the race. Practice makes perfect!

DA-MAX

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I doubt those 310hp monsters, auto or not only run low 16's, unless the driver couldn't reach the pedals.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jeff91SE
[B]T/A running 16.3??

Are you sure that wasnt a V6 Firebird (3800)?

SkyMax

yeah he's got a blower.. but still slower then Turbo90SE.. hehe

flyry110

it is possible that that TA was a firebird with WAY too much exhaust (a common problem for rustangs and transjunk), but it said trans am on the side, and it sounded damn good. all i could hear the whole race was his stupid exhaust. anyway, it WAS an older one, looked like mid to late 80's. anyway, it said trans am, but who knows, maybe it was a firebird type R!!! lol! yeah, 60' times were weak. I defenitely need to improve that. the one decent time i had was after i got my tires nice and warm. but they kept lining me up way far in the bleach box cause they thought i was a RWD car! so i didn't really get to sit there and burn em like i know my car will do. anyway, what a way to break in the tires eh?

Jeff91SE

Okay...a 16.3 is understandable for a mid '80's T/Z.

With big exhausts, like that T/Z probably has, the problem is losing too much backpressure. Autos really need that to get off the line. No backpressure means to low end torque which means one slow T/A.

DA-MAX

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1980 Pontiac Firebird Turbo Trans Am 9.8 N/A
1983 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 9.2 17.0
1984 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am HO 7.9 16.1

Looks like the 1980 Turbo model didn't even finish the race!

Czar

I got a 15.1 1/4 with a (insert brand here) cone intake; but I would say that I had my car lightened to about 3150 lbs without me in it. That involved removal of anything in the trunk and anything easily removeable(i.e. rear seat & pass. seat). I am hoping for a 14 something run this weekend if I can get my 60' below 2.4.

Dirksmoothe

oh man, your going to do it this weekend? down at PIR? well shoot, I won't be able to see the magic run!

mattC

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You should just try not burning out. Street tires work a hell of a lot better when they are cold, the hotter they get, the slicker they get.

peace
matt

p.s. burnouts only work well with natural rubber tires (ie: Drag Slicks, etc.)

flyry110

depends on the tire. my sp5000's defenitely hook up better when warm.

flyry110

I'm thinkin about advancing my timing 5 degrees. whatcha think? think it'll help?

Czar

go ahead with the 5 degrees of timing unless you have bad gas(you're gonna have to put in the good stuff now)where you live or it gets really hot. I noticed more power but it was more peaky(it would kick in right at VTC). I am a firm believer that it is worth 3 hp or so on a stock motor.

flyry110

did some minor intake modding tonight he he he i got rid of that pipe that runs off the airbox, now it sounds a heck of alot better! i know i know, not really as efficient as it should be, but oh well, ok, then i removed the intake muffler that is under the intake pipe, it's this gnarly lookin thing, anyway, got rid of that, and i pluged up that hole with a jar top lol. actually it fit more perfectly than if it had been designed to go there, then i just tightened up the old clamp, and, whala, hopefully less restriction. i ran without the muffler first. the rpm's seemed to rise faster, then i removed the pipe, and got a great sound. when i run the track i normally just run open intake. (i've only run once, so when i say normally, i mean this is what i did). anyway, i didn't bolt the box back to the car, i'm just letting the clips hold it. that way when i get to the track, i just unclip and remove the bottom of the box. i know it's not good to run that open, but if it's for 4 15 second runs, it's only for 1 minute. anyway, that's just a temp thing. till i get either a CAI or Pop charger. I'm really hopin to get close to your 15.1 i'm gonna advance my timing on wednesday and play around with it. i may try 2-3 degrees, and just play around to see if i can find a sweet spot. that'll give me the day to test it. see ya at the track thurs!!!!

flyry110

hey, if i advance my timing, will octane boost help out? I know you need a higher octane so it doesn't ping, but do you think this stuff'll help take advantage of the advanced timing? just wonderin, i really wanna run good thurs

Czar

http://216.122.219.59/forums/showthr...threadid=39734

I went racing today and got a 14.9, and next run got a 14.8... Thats on basically a stock max. I dunno, but I am making certain people that just happen to have CAI, Y, RT cat, catback, UDP, JWT ECU, ACT clutch look real bad when they spend $3k on mods etc. to run a best of 14.7 today..... Sorry you (know who you are)know I still love you, I am just dissin cuz I know you aren't online!!!!!!

flyry110

you know what's scary, we have the EXACT same car! we should run against each other thursday and try to confuse people he he he. i'm pretty much gonna run open intake, and i'm gonna pull most of my stuff out. i might take the backseat out, how had is it to pull? i'm just wonderin.

Czar

Its about 3 minutes to pull the backseat... first pull up the seat cushion by pulling up about 10" in from each side of the seat. It should pop right out, but it does take a bit of effort. then the seatback is held on by 2 10mm screws on each side and 2 10mm screws under the armrest.(you'll have to remove the piece of cardboard right behind the armrest to get to them)

flyry110

it's lookin like rain on thurs!!! not good!!!

flyry110

what do you point the timing light at? i couldn't find anything. anyway, i just advanced it from what it was at, didn't really notice any diffeence. maybe i did it wrong. i dunno. i loosened those two bolts, and turned the whole assembly on the front cam clockwise. but even when i advanced it to as far as it would go, it didn't ping or anytthing.

Czar

You gotta take the time to do it right..... The timing marks are on the crankshaft pulley, check your service manual(hope you at least have a chilton's) the reason you aren't pinging is that as soon as the knock sensor picks up detonation the ECU retards the timing. Thats probably the reason you don't notice any difference. 5 degrees and 92 octane should result in 3-4 hp more + better fuel economy on the freeway.

Dirksmoothe

you are getting sorta cocky don't you think? hell, I would be too though. Again, congrats on the runs. It gives me hope. I just got the JWT popcharger installed and the Greddy Exhaust is on it's way. I am feeling pretty powerful!

flyry110

yeah, i just can't see the damn marks! ok, are the marks on the little lip in between the two pulleys? you know how the main pulley has 2 belts off it, is it inbetween? i just couldnt NOT see them.

trbo

pretty good times , congrats.
My maxipad ran a best of 15.37@91mph when it was bone stock, 60ft times were consistently in the 2.2-2.3's.

I guess the LSD in our 5spd trannys help out lots!

LSD is a beautiful thing, I wish I had it in my colt turbo.

flyry110

do we have lsd's in our manuals? i wasn't sure. i didn't think we did.

Czar

I believe auto VE's also came with LSD's(not that it helps their +1 sec. 1/4 times)

Yes I am cocky because I have the Factory SuperMax!!! BTW its for sale I am getting a 95 Eclipse GSX...$6200... $7000 will buy the stereo in it and a spare engine, stealin aerokit, & extra rims.

DA-MAX

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the "poor man's" pocket rocket!!! I rode in friends GST the other day, stock equipment except for the boost controller set at 15psi......thats one fast SOB!! pop a 16G in that badboy and run some 12's!!

flyry110

i was freakin runnin 15.4's all night long, it was like i hit a wall!